Raves vs. Psy Parties?

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On 2008-01-09 20:52, PookztA wrote:
for me, the difference is simple:

ATTITUDE.

Psytrance parties are thrown to provide people with a comfortable environment, as to have a music-catalyzed, mind expanding experience. This attitude and energy creates a dance floor population that is closely connected and united.

On the other hand, most electronic events that I would consider a Rave are parties that are thrown to make money, promote drug use, promote sexual behavior, or any other shallow business / self-benefit purposes. These events are not done to enlighten others, or to bring people together, they are done simply to party and celebrate... and although partying and celebrating is not wrong in itself, most people's concept of partying and celebrating in this scenario is by excessively using drugs or alcohol.

Psytrance parties are about family and music, where as Raves are more focused on drug use, money, and sex in my honest opinion.

I <3 Psytrance!

On 2008-01-09 19:08, NeuroNympho wrote:
and most of all the music- it was somehow (to me) more than what acid techno, hard house or drum and bass was and I was officially hooked on psy-trance and have been ever since.

Question "thegooddale," why does it matter how they play the trax live, or not? Psytrance is usually made using lots and lots of computer programs. Most trancers don't enjoy guitars and the like in the music so the artists use those computers. When they perform live you cant really see them doing much but do you know what they are doing, lots of them have bunches of computer programs running and are constantly playing with these things. Some even use external midi devices, such as keyboards, that control the sounds. Some can even have it interact with cdj type devices.

In other music they use the same type of stuff its the digital age most things are digital. Most famous artists in other genres don't even play live, they charge the promoters near the same amount to play a dj set, they SPIN live. Do a search for DnB live videos they are doing the same stuff that the Psy Djs do, some have a LOT more money and they can hire orchestras, but so can and does Shpongle when they play live.

I don't think that just because you cant tell what an artist is doing means that they are a facade, maybe you just don't understand whats going on on stage.

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After seeing psytrance music made live in person by quite a few different people who's tracks I really dig, I have concluded that alot of this thinking is a total facade...

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Question "thegooddale," why does it matter how they play the trax live, or not? Psytrance is usually made using lots and lots of computer programs. Most trancers don't enjoy guitars and the like in the music so the artists use those computers. When they perform live you cant really see them doing much but do you know what they are doing, lots of them have bunches of computer programs running and are constantly playing with these things. Some even use external midi devices, such as keyboards, that control the sounds. Some can even have it interact with cdj type devices. In other music they use the same type of stuff its the digital age most things are digital. Most famous artists in other genres don't even play live, they charge the promoters near the same amount to play a dj set, they SPIN live. Do a search for DnB live videos they are doing the same stuff that the Psy Djs do, some have a LOT more money and they can hire orchestras, but so can and does Shpongle when they play live. I don't think that just because you cant tell what an artist is doing means that they are a facade, maybe you just don't understand whats going on on stage.

maybe you should read before you speak bro...

I was in no way talking about a live performance of already created tracks... I was talking about the creation of the tracks in the first place... cut, paste, compress...

I am fully aware that very few "Acts" in the electronic music world(of which psytrance is a part of) do much on stage more than dance and get the crowd pumped while music plays...

To judge only psytrance on that criteria is *IMO* wrong.

If you like what you hear and it gets you dancing then all is good.

On 2008-01-10 03:04, Bodhi 13:20 wrote:

wrong. psytrance SHOULD be on a pedestal, because it involves more intricate and experimental forms of composing, as well as other EDM anomalies such as certain kinds of drum and bass, and also some IDM. the rest is in general regurgitated material, with an occasional new shine or packaging to it.

rave music is not as evolved, period. nothing wrong or out-of-the-ordinary with this..... simpler, more familiar sounding music is much more preferred to the general populous, it always has been.

On 2008-01-10 03:29, DiMiTry wrote:

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On 2008-01-10 03:04, Bodhi 13:20 wrote: wrong. psytrance SHOULD be on a pedestal, because it involves more intricate and experimental forms of composing, as well as other EDM anomalies such as certain kinds of drum and bass, and also some IDM. the rest is in general regurgitated material, with an occasional new shine or packaging to it. rave music is not as evolved, period. nothing wrong or out-of-the-ordinary with this..... simpler, more familiar sounding music is much more preferred to the general populous, it always has been.

uh huh

no offense, bodhi, but most psytrance is shabbily put together boring repetitive regurgitated junk. not all of it, of course - but i would say at least 90%.

there also isn't nearly as much experimentation happening in psytrance as in techno or IDM, for example - especialy lately. again, there are some psy artists who do push boundaries, but oh so few..

putting THAT on a pedestal is pretty silly imo.

On 2008-01-10 12:18, Scatter wrote:

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On 2008-01-10 03:29, DiMiTry wrote: Quote: On 2008-01-10 03:04, Bodhi 13:20 wrote: wrong. psytrance SHOULD be on a pedestal, because it involves more intricate and experimental forms of composing, as well as other EDM anomalies such as certain kinds of drum and bass, and also some IDM. the rest is in general regurgitated material, with an occasional new shine or packaging to it. rave music is not as evolved, period. nothing wrong or out-of-the-ordinary with this..... simpler, more familiar sounding music is much more preferred to the general populous, it always has been. uh huh no offense, bodhi, but most psytrance is shabbily put together boring repetitive regurgitated junk. not all of it, of course - but i would say at least 90%. there also isn't nearly as much experimentation happening in psytrance as in techno or IDM, for example - especialy lately. again, there are some psy artists who do push boundaries, but oh so few.. putting THAT on a pedestal is pretty silly imo.

Bullshit. 90% is way too high. The genre itself pushes experimenting and creativity. I've SEEN people write house music, I've seen people write hiphop, I've seen people write psytrance. Psytrance is the only genre I've come across where there's a science behind not only layering sounds, but in the HOW the sounds are layered. It's layers of sounds, layers of filters/effects, and layers of automation controlling those effects. And all of it is systematically and creatively executed, sometimes in rhythm, sometimes not (outside of the lame shit you were talking about which I'd say is closer to 50%). Yes, other genres do this, but psytrance does it with a fluidity that's far above your avarage EDM producer. It's beyond cut and paste, it's taking what you cut and paste and molding it into something new, and then molding the overall product into something beyond it's initial parts and its creator. Something that puts you in a trance, and makes you lose the ability to figure out it's individual parts or how it was made, and appreciate it purely for what it is. For that, it deserves the pedestal.