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Raves vs. Psy Parties?
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Danrennt98
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Posted : Jan 6, 2008 12:18
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Hi trancers!! 
I'd like to hear everyone's opinion on the subject. Psytrance parties vs. Raves?
What's the difference?  Many times I see the difference, psy is much more mature, more decorations, and less e-tarded  haha etc., but also at the base of it all, all-night, pumping electronica, crazy costumes etc., seems like a rave sometime. Note, I'm not trying to start a humongous arguement, just a nice discussion.
When did psy parties evolve out of raves (if they did at all) or when did the distinction occur?
Also, another quick question, when two artists are making a track together what's the difference, if at all, when stating the artists names, between:
Kindzadza vs. Cosmo (esp. this one I don't get hehe)
Mentaldzadza (Alien Mental & Kindzaza) or Highcosmos (Highko & Cosmo)
Zik & Ocelot & Para Halu
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Thanks everyone, hope to start a nice, friendly debate! 
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.:DRAGON:.
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Posted : Jan 6, 2008 20:41
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To the common bystander both types of events would seem the same with people dancing and banging "techno", except for the psy-parties having mostly UV-deco and the raves having intelligent lighting (scanners, lasers, etc ..)
I find myself having to try to explain this all the time at the many rave-styled parties I still perform at in my area. One way I've tried to describe it is that usually when most of the rave music genres become stagnant and boring to your ears, and you still want that new sound to challenge your thoughts, the psytrance styles usually become very attractive and people start seeking it out once they learn about its existence ..
However, I feel that the psytrance music actually comes second to the new vibe and energy from the people at the psy-events though. Most of the people seem to be very environmentally conscious and are actively living a little greener than most.
The raves also seemed to become a bit more commercialized with huge venues and line-ups all geared at making high profits at the end of the night, vs the psy-events are usually more intimate and personal with the "experience" being the main focus of the event ( most of the time ).. and it's completely obvious at the different qualities in production of music.
Most psytrance being produced and played out is of very good quality and is highly intelligent compared to the majority of the main EDM genres .. Don't get me wrong I love some of the old-school stuff and certains styles of EDM still, but as far as really grabbing my attention and taking my mind to a new space, psytrance is the vessel for me ~
Other than writting a book trying to explain it all, one usually just has to go to a good psytrance party to see and feel the difference ~
.. my personal view of course
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AumShantiAum
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Posted : Jan 6, 2008 21:58
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I agree with dragon. The psy scene has grown from the hippie and psychedelic subculture. Although it gets a little confusing when it comes the words rave and psy parties. For example in India all the psy parties are called raves, im not sure if this is the same in other countries but definately in india, rave = psytrance. In america a rave means something else. But you will definately find that the psytrance community is more concerned with environment, spirituality and existence in general. At the truly psychedelic parties you will see that for most people its about much more then just takin some drugs and dancing. Its more like a tribal ritual. Goa Gil really sums it up the best when he says its like redefining the tribal ritual for the 21st century. I definately feel that psytrance communities are more like a family. I feel that psytrance really unites a certain breed of people.
Psytrance parties really didnt evolve from "raves". Psyparties basically evolved on their own. Before psytrance, hippies in the 60's and 70's would have full moon parties with rock music. Around the 80's is when electronic styles of music made its way into these hippie communities, especially in goa. and all the evolution led up to the mind bending psytrance we have today!!
As for raves, i really dont know much about their history. But here is some of the distinctions i see between the psy scene and the "rave scene". Raves are more just like parties, really just fun without a deeper meaning behind it. At raves the drug of choice = xtc, at psy = lsd. For sure raves are more commercial, the organizers are in it for the money. Real psy parties dont even cost much, in fact a lot of them are free! Of course the music, big differences there. I feel that at psyparties many people (including me) are very picky about the music. We want the music to be representative of the scene and that is psychedelic!! at raves i dont think people are very picky about the music, they just wanna pop pills and vibrate lol.
anyways i know ive dragged on for a bit but thats my opinion on it. about the artist names: i think its all the same man, basically its just a collaboration between artists, but maybe im wrong on that one.
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.:DRAGON:.
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Posted : Jan 6, 2008 23:09
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On 2008-01-06 21:58, ohmshantiohm wrote:
about the artist names: i think its all the same man, basically its just a collaboration between artists, but maybe im wrong on that one.
BOOM SHANTI!
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for sure , that's just the producers way of coming up with a catchy project name that gives noticeable credit to each artist .. just being silly or slick about it most of the time heh heh .. However a lot of collaborations have totally new names that don't represent either artists names ...
such as :
Scorb + NRS = RAM
Electrypnose + Karash + Noon = Cerebral Factory
Bohdisativa 13:20 + Arahat = Monks of Madness
.. and some Artists may have multiple project names depending on the style of music they are composing ~
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thegooddale
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Posted : Jan 6, 2008 23:41
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In the immortal words of G.I.S.M., punks is hippies...
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lyricfree
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Posted : Jan 7, 2008 02:04
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At raves there is mostly DnB and house, maybe some happy hardcore and on special occasion- psytrance
At psytrance parties there is mostly psy-trance music a couple diff of its many genres and a chillout that is playing ambient grooves.
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BrainLizzard
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Posted : Jan 7, 2008 03:45
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Deep research on the origins of RAVE go back to India but not Goa.Long before electronic dance music or even good old glory.At one point I would of said the music was the difference but most of the psymusic thats coming out today is the same or less caliber of the rave music I heard at raves before I found GOA.Rave was full of artist and crew egos and today its the same in psy.Hell, there aren't many artist today that even go to the parties there playing at.there to busy workin on there music for which they should of done before they got to the site.Whats the artist biggest excuse for being lame?here it is"I'm trying to make a living".then go back to school and get a job.Dragon is correct,well at least toward the early days when it was also the punk approach.Which was fuck formula
and all the bullshit that the system is ate up with,not today.
If we all gather around a drum circle and play no electronic sounds you will still have a RAVE.
The name thing....some artist like to enlighten others with names that have meaning
but to get the honest answer you should ask the artist's at question.
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adamzero
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Posted : Jan 7, 2008 03:56
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@ ohmshantiohm - when i was in goa no one, indian or euro, called the psy parties raves. just parties. in goa "where is the party" is equivalent to saying 'hi', i felt after a while. when i met indians in other parts of the country they called the parties in goa raves, as does the media from the coverage i've seen.
@ everyone. i'm also intrigued by this question, as i've never been to a rave in my life. all the parties i've ever been to have been psy parties. now, from what i've been told and pictures i've seen, i've picked up on a few things that seem different: different drug choices, lighting choices, clothing, no glow sticks (thank god!), the party goes into the daytime, etc. what else can you guys adduce as different? and i mean things besides "spirituality" or "meaning". one thing that strikes me about psy parties as opposed to pretty much any other type of party i've been at is that the partiers really act and feel like the space is *theirs*, not someone elses that they are visiting, have no responsibility towards, and at which they have no responsibility towards the other partiers. its like a shared living room for the course of the night.
also, obviously, i find most edm pretty boring and unlistenable, psy is where it is at. however, is it really true that people who listen to other genres don't care about the music? there ARE artists, labels, djs, afficianados, etc. i mean, do you really mean to tell me even the djs, promoters, and older heads don't care what is being played, that they don't critique releases and dj sets? my feeling was that there have got to be people who care about their particular subgenre of house the same way i care about dark psy (apologies to the genre-phobes). certainly i've met people who talked about a flavor of dnb or of techno the way i talk about psy. what to make of that? |
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DiMiTry
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Posted : Jan 7, 2008 06:18
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also, obviously, i find most edm pretty boring and unlistenable, psy is where it is at. however, is it really true that people who listen to other genres don't care about the music? there ARE artists, labels, djs, afficianados, etc. i mean, do you really mean to tell me even the djs, promoters, and older heads don't care what is being played, that they don't critique releases and dj sets? my feeling was that there have got to be people who care about their particular subgenre of house the same way i care about dark psy (apologies to the genre-phobes). certainly i've met people who talked about a flavor of dnb or of techno the way i talk about psy. what to make of that?
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people have different tastes and like different things. there's lots of people who love techno, house, dnb for the exact same reasons you love psytrance. some of them like many different styles, and some are totally nazi about their particular genre the way many psyheads are about theirs.
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jds
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Posted : Jan 7, 2008 06:50
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I grew up in the great lakes area and started raving in '89. Mostly in Toronto, Hamilton, and London, then Detroit, Montreal, New York, and Chicago (and all points in between).
Raves are an easy target. I think it's lame to give them a bum rap the way they get it. There have always been and always will be people all over the world who are into raving for all the same reasons that people go to psy parties (peace, love, unity, respect, expression, consiousness, exploration, etc).
High profile raves get bad attention and wrongly portray a scene dominated by people after nothing but money. For every high profile event out there, there are 10 times as many underground events being thrown for the love of it all by people expecting nothing more out of it than a good time for all their friends.
Doesn't sound so different right?
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AumShantiAum
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Posted : Jan 7, 2008 08:54
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On 2008-01-07 03:56, adamzero wrote:
@ ohmshantiohm - when i was in goa no one, indian or euro, called the psy parties raves. just parties. in goa "where is the party" is equivalent to saying 'hi', i felt after a while. when i met indians in other parts of the country they called the parties in goa raves, as does the media from the coverage i've seen.
also, obviously, i find most edm pretty boring and unlistenable, psy is where it is at. however, is it really true that people who listen to other genres don't care about the music? there ARE artists, labels, djs, afficianados, etc. i mean, do you really mean to tell me even the djs, promoters, and older heads don't care what is being played, that they don't critique releases and dj sets? my feeling was that there have got to be people who care about their particular subgenre of house the same way i care about dark psy (apologies to the genre-phobes). certainly i've met people who talked about a flavor of dnb or of techno the way i talk about psy. what to make of that?
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yah man just my personal experience but ive always heard the word "rave" in india. just differences in our experiences i suppose.
anyways as for other styles of music. i definately agree with you that their are people in other electronic music scenes who are just as dedicated and make quality music. I was a house music enthusiast way before psy and still am into house and many other styles (techno, minimal, chillout, dub) And there is some great music coming from these scenes!! So yah obviously there are people who care about the music in their respective scene.
My point was that the rave crowd i see always seems to be so pumped up on e that theyre just dancing away like mad not really concerned wat the music is as long as its some bass pumpin. of course i dont really know much about their scene. the only ravers ive really seen are these candy-raving-space- monkeys that somehow end up at a psy party. but anyways all this is my personal opinion so im not here to offend anyone or anything. i say do wat makes you happy, so if raving is your thing go ahead and rave away. |
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konvndrvm
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Posted : Jan 7, 2008 11:44
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they're the same... except different
it's similar to genre classifying imo...
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Danrennt98
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Posted : Jan 7, 2008 23:38
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sweet thanks for all your comments, okay good to clear up the confusion on the artist names thing haha, I've been thinking about that for a while. and I it's good to know what people think about the rave vs. party subject because sometimes there's a lot of attitude in the psy scene when the word rave is mentioned. I still call them raves a lot to people that don't go to parties, because if I say I'm going to a party they have no idea what i'm talking about and think I'm going to some person's house party in the middle of brooklyn haha. but the second I say rave, they know what i'm talking about even if they have this "picture" in their head about what a rave is hehe
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Bodhi 13:20
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I started off in the rave scene back in 95, even though I was listening to psy (since 93).....but the thing is that back then they actually played psytrance at raves, well at least a couple djs per party did. I found the psy scene in 99, and made a complete switch over.
the rave scene was fun....but it got old. still, the rave scene was all about the music:) but there were many other elements that ruined it.
then again...I see alot of the same crap in the psy scene....
these days....well....I gotta say....in my opinion, when you cross the rave scene with the psy scene...you get a "full-on" trance party. alot of full-on music is not really that psychedelic and neither is the vibe, and usually people are up in the morning on a bunch of e or coke.....its shallow to say the least. Ive seen it a hundred times. if I went the rest of my life without seeing that again, I wouldnt be sad.
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DemonoidPhenomenon
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Posted : Jan 8, 2008 03:05
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so i moved to the bay area a li'l while ago and had an idea that sf is the psy capital and all. and i feel the same way about the "psy" scene here as bodhi does. i haven't been able to find a true psy gathering, of course, other than a couple including baba gil's.
i hear about a party thats said to be goatrance but it ends up to be a techno+e-tarded+parrot bay event which totally kills my trip. and of course theres no "vibe".
and i dont mean to criticize anyone coz it definitely takes a huge effort to organize anything undrground, but i just mean i dint find an actual psy event coz it pisses me off to find myself at a place with too much e and drunkenness around..that being my point
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