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timsensient
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Posted : May 3, 2004 08:44
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Lately i been thinking about the music coming out by progressive artists on progressive psy labels and as you probably know quite a bit of it deosnt have the "psy" sound. (eg. Ryan Halifax on new Plusquam comp). In fact to me it sounds more similar to music by "proper" progressive artists like chab and marc 'o tool (im no expert on this style but really like some of it too). Im just wondering why they continue to market this stuff to the psy community when i thought it would be more appreciated plus get a better chance of sales if they push it at the straight progressive crowd. Maybe they are marketing it there already and i just dont see it? Anyway please this is not a complaint as i really dig some of this stuff...just a curious thought.
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goa-ganges
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Posted : May 3, 2004 11:58
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Tim, I think that what Ryan has been doing is actually trance with some house and psy elements. And nowadays it's not easy to have a clear definition of what psy is, and I've already started a thread here about buying cds/going to parties not knowing what one will get, prog or full-on or goa or minimal or whatever these days. And I don't know if putting 'psy trance' on the cover of a CD will make it more profitable. I've been visiting some shops and to my surprise some of them are not selling psy-trance anymore. Others have only what is really mainstream, the ones signed to giant labels or famous locally. So, perhaps psy has become a big umbrella where a lot of styles are under but I hope that it will crack the same way 80's house did and then we will know clearly what all these names mean.
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ND
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Posted : May 3, 2004 12:04
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hmmm... nice point, but i hope the labels will hold this proggy artists if they will see money 
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patrick
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Posted : May 3, 2004 13:02
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me thinks that there is still a huge difference
between artistst like ryan halifax and "proper"
progressive house producer. but thats just me
but i think tim is right when he suggests that
progressive psy should also target the
progressive house market. it would probably
result in higher sales. but i dont think that
progressive house is more comercial than
the psy scene. i rather think its the opposite.
if u will succeed in the progressive house
market u have to press vinyl, which alot
progressive psy labels dont do anymore. the
progressive house market as i see it is much
more a dj oriented market than psy. the thing
is that probably more ppl go to progressive
house parties/clubs but fewer buy actually
this music for home listening. this is however
just an assumption. if artist think they can
just move in the progressive house market
that easy and think that there is a lot more
bucks to make i somhow doubt that. unless
they get famous in the dj circus...
just my thougts on this interesting subject |
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ChoBo
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Posted : May 3, 2004 13:27
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interesting topic, yes i was wondering whats the difference between progressive psy and "proper / commercial? " progressive trance. I dont get it sometimes, i dont really listen to progressive although i like a lil of it. Is son kite album progressive psy or progressive trance? I am puzzled 
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Henry
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Posted : May 3, 2004 13:44
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A lot of these people get played and recognised in both scenes. (kruger + Coyle, cass & Slide, Tim Healy, Minilogue, Shpongle etc). Often though the production values are subtly different. The kicks and basses which seem very proggy compared to other psy tracks (like some of the new Freq stuff) actually sounds very trancey compared to more mainstream progressive tracks. I couldn't say about the money side of things. Its hardly the point at this level. The mainstream artist don't sell massively more records anyway. Its just a different scene.
I think the boundary will be blurred more and more over the next two years. Progressive/breaks/psy/house/trance melt into eachother very easily which is good.
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motorik
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Posted : May 3, 2004 13:48
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I think Many artists add a bit of housy touch to their music to create something a bit different .sometimes they go all the way with their flow and the result because less psy and more like deep house.
It's right sometime it's really hard to separate progressive trance from Deep house
from progressive psy,ETC, but i think there is also no need, if you like this music and it can fit the dancefloor it doesn't really matter how we gonna' categorize it dance/play it .
IMO
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Acidhive
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Posted : May 3, 2004 17:20
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Who cares if it sounds like regular Progressive Trance? If it sounds good, does it matter which category you lump it into? I tend to like most styles of trance, so I never complain about progressive not being Psy-Progressive anymore. It's just a way of seeing it.
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GeZer
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Posted : May 3, 2004 17:47
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dude u just answerd your own question ,
"i realy dig some of this stufff "??
so wtf u care ?
(-as long as it's not polka  -)
maybe this labales just tring to make an interasting album ( for thos of us that mini kick bass is enough to shake ther asses )
and not tring to contribute to the psy comunity.
and that Ryan Halifax is shiti house and i love it . |
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nobody_3
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Posted : May 3, 2004 17:52
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Who cares what it's called  If it's good I'll listen to it. I dont care about all these labels people put on music.
And psytrance do not have the monopoly on being psychedelic
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patrick
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Posted : May 3, 2004 18:34
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i think tim made valid point here. its not about
if its good bad to label music. the fact is that some
music is probably market to the wrong ppl, who wont buy it. and in a time when labels
struggle to sale their music i think its a really
important question he asked. i dont care.
but every artist and label should. if not dont
whine about sales...
this is a matter that labels and artist have an influence on. |
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-Abatwa-
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Posted : May 3, 2004 20:01
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yep nice point. I sometimes think about this issue from another perspective. I have some friends who listen to progressive trance, artists which I have no idea about. they generally dont know the more progressive side of psytrance, and when I make them listen to stuff like son kite, they really like it.
so it kinda heads into the same direction. its not a question of that the music is called. there is already a division existent. because of that division, maybe the more progressive artists involved in psytrance dont have a chance to appeal to a more larger crowd.
I guess its the choice of the artist itself. if he/she wanted to appeal to a larger crowd, I dont think it would be much problem, as the division is not really straight cut.
we can see that son kite for their on air remixes has tried something like this, with including a progressive house artist to do a remix.
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Te_nTe
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Posted : May 3, 2004 21:19
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i think all said here but the main point is that the psy progressive artists are just not in proper level or not in so good level to release thingsd on progressive label(saw,plastic fantastic and so on...). |
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