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question re: progressive

Borris
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Posted : Sep 13, 2004 20:20
well... not really.
yes, the big stars such as Digweed, Sasha and Oakie (well he isn't pureley progressive) do make alot of money, but alot of the smaller artists get pretty much the same and sell the same numbers as the trance acts. a good prog 12" will sell round the 1000 copies and a good DJ set (that scene is more DJ set oriented then artist album/compilation) might sell 2500.           Kinetic Honda GmbH, Worldwide Supliers of Quality noise.
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Sektor666
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Posted : Sep 13, 2004 21:19
There are genres

1
Progressive Trance : Sasha , Corsten , Van Dyke

2
Progressive House : Digweed , Infusion , Bonham

3
Psychedelic Progressive Trance : Atmos , Son Kite


goin from biggest to smaller
these three different scenes , different money involved , world recognition ..... many

there much more clubbers than psy listeners understand it ... noone know Son Kite or Atmos outside of psychedelic scene ....I know couple of known Prog. Dj's in Israel and they never heard of Son Kite or Atmos ,when i gave them to listen they said one voice :" total lame music ,,,noone will dance it in club ,,,sound like you did(reffer to me) it ..."'

sooooooooooooooo

this is psytrance forum so let's stay with our roots aka Son Kite and Atmos coz others have nothing to do with our forum ......

also Borris told good points (BTW he is Prog. House/Trance Dj in past)

smaller artists in each scene have same money ...once it on MTV ... you rich and famous ...

man who never heard psy would not like Son Kite ...
Zombi
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Posted : Sep 13, 2004 21:25
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On 2004-09-13 21:19, Sektor666 wrote:
There are genres

1
Progressive Trance : Sasha , Corsten , Van Dyke

2
Progressive House : Digweed , Infusion , Bonham

3
Psychedelic Progressive Trance : Atmos , Son Kite





come on.. what about northen explosure serie compiled and mixed by sasha and digweed together ? is it what ?
leave the definitions and names for library employers..
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Insomniac
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Posted : Sep 13, 2004 21:31
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On 2004-09-13 21:19, Sektor666 wrote:

man who never heard psy would not like Son Kite ...



I don't agree with you in this point, because i made my friends who don't know a bit about the psy scene listen to some progressive music (Kooler, Freq, Atmos, Son Kite, Lunaspice) and they really loved it.

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Sektor666
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Posted : Sep 13, 2004 23:16
Zombi i called it by their mainstream ....

Skazi(example) use guitar riffs in his tracks so he will be rock band too ?

Insomniac ... same thing to you i say it statisticly .... that your friends like Son Kite , it's thier own problem but most of clubbers won't like it ....just put Son Kite in club to see their reaction .....if you don't believe me ......
ecnalab


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Posted : Sep 13, 2004 23:45
I think the Shpongle reference made by Henry has to do with Sasha's great progressive "Dorset Perception" remix on his new Involver album.           -xo Truffle Radio ox-
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Sektor666
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Posted : Sep 14, 2004 07:46
Shpongle little bit different story , Simon is known and world recognized by non trance listeners .... same as Astral Projection , IM and GMS ..... these are very known ,,,, and make alot of money from DJ , Live and CD's.... they are the Oakenfolds of our scene ......
KakoOlalaJwal
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Posted : Sep 14, 2004 12:24
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On 2004-09-13 21:19, Sektor666 wrote:
I know couple of known Prog. Dj's in Israel and they never heard of Son Kite or Atmos ,when i gave them to listen they said one voice :" total lame music ,,,noone will dance it in club ,,,sound like you did(reffer to me) it ..."'



And you didn't even think about the fact that these guys were spiting on the music U made them listen to because they didn't want an arrogant guy to try to teach'em what the Music is ??

Maybe U should..

About Son Kite in example.. I'm sure every TrommelMaschine digger.. (Der Dritte Raum, the absolute Hit in the mid-90's.. Played everywhere : Trance parties, techno parties, big Raves, small House clubs) would shed a tear when listening to Made To Move on a loud sound system..

And btw.. Sektor666 never forget that the situation is different in every country.. So keep in mind that I have already experienced some Son Kite played in some clubs and the response was the one expected : fun, fun & fun.

Have a nice day.
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krelm
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Posted : Sep 14, 2004 13:28
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On 2004-09-13 21:19, Sektor666 wrote:
noone know Son Kite or Atmos outside of psychedelic scene



Actually, you are quite wrong here. Atmos and Son Kite are quite known outside of the psychedelic scene. Both "Second Brigade" from Atmos and "Colours" from Son Kite got pretty wide acclaim from the well-known DJs in the non-psy-prog scene. Their tracks and remixes have also frequently appeared in playlists and mixed CDs of very famous DJs outside of the psy scene.

Those are of course two of the best examples.

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....I know couple of known Prog. Dj's in Israel and they never heard of Son Kite or Atmos



That's only 2 DJs. Ask a wide variety of non-psy-prog DJs in Germany, the UK, the US, or many other countries and you will find that many do know who Son Kite or Atmos are. Some might even be familiar with some of the lesser-known psy-prog acts.

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this is psytrance forum so let's stay with our roots aka Son Kite and Atmos coz others have nothing to do with our forum ......



Huh? Go look through the Top 10 section at some of the more proggy tops. You will see a lot of these artists that have "nothing to do with our forum" in the charts people post. I hear that music at psy-parties all the time.

I thought that was sort of the point of this thread anyways - that the gap between music from the psy-prog scene and music in the prog-house/prog-trance scene is becoming smaller. Music from guys like Greed or Nukem or Absolut & Blade or Roland Klinkenberg fits perfectly into a set of Son Kite, Vibrasphere, Atmos, Human Blue, or other artists in the psy-prog scene.

That's the beauty of it - boundaries are becoming less well-defined. "Progressive" is not pigeon-holed and can truly progress into new territories.
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Acidhive
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Posted : Sep 14, 2004 15:14
It's bullshit what some DJ's say. Son Kite, Kooler, Freq, Lunaspice, Vision & Canedy, Krueger & Coyle... All these artists are being played by good progressive DJ's. Check out DJ Taucher's playlists... He plays Vision & Canedy, Son Kite etc.           "Subconscious unravels at the point of death, and all time it has known erupts into a moment. As death extinguishes us, so we become it."

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Madpup
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Posted : Sep 14, 2004 15:16
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On 2004-09-13 23:16, Sektor666 wrote:

Insomniac ... same thing to you i say it statisticly .... that your friends like Son Kite , it's thier own problem but most of clubbers won't like it ....just put Son Kite in club to see their reaction .....if you don't believe me ......



you are wrong, i have played prog psy (Son Kite, Vibrasphere) stuff at small club progressive parties and it worked and people asked about what were the tracks that i played.

Good music will always get appreciated



Basilisk
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Posted : Sep 15, 2004 04:34
Here in Toronto I tried to throw some of the psy scene's progressive offerings at the prog crowd and they just weren't interested in it... conversely I've tried to find prog outside of the psychedelic scene that I would enjoy but I usually find it too cheezy, too underdeveloped, badly produced (or different from what I like anyway), dull, etc... no luck finding anything I like as much as Vibrasphere, Son Kite, Magnetrixx etc... but it remains a real mystery why these supposedly world-class prog types here in T.O. have never heard of Ticon and that sort of thing... weird!
traveller
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Posted : Sep 15, 2004 05:24
in that case most full on artists should switch to happy hardcore circles..           "The dinosaurs became extinct because they didn't have a space program."
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Posted : Sep 15, 2004 06:23
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On 2004-09-15 05:24, traveller wrote:
in that case most full on artists should switch to happy hardcore circles..





Well... hehe half the bullsh*t coming out as full on psy does sound like slowed down happy hardcore, I sped up some tunes (no naming tho) on my cdj's and it'd pass for H.H any day, just as sme of the tekky stuff sped up could pass as proper tekno if not hard tek/industrial... think electroninc musik as a whols ius going thru a tuff time sorting out what sounds belong where, and soon it just won't matter, it'll be the way itshould always have been, electroninc music or not electronic music, no more dumb genres... anyways, back to Tim's first question, some mates of min who dj/produce techno/house/proggy trance here in Melbourne Australia listened to some of the new stuff from Plusquam, Tatsu and Z.M.A and simply said that it has a tiny bit to much trance element for a full cross over, but many of the artists such As Ryan Halifax could easily slide either way. Maybe they should consider working both sections of the scene, when my production takes off a bit more (after bloody uni) there are many sounds and styles I want to experiement with. I've even playe with some friends rock bands and introduced some very out there synth sounds, and it can work very nicely a nu form of psy rock.
Sektor666
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Posted : Sep 15, 2004 12:08
well Guys ...... all you said is true .....

Ticon , Son Kite , Atmos , Vibrasphere , Magnetrixx are world respected progressive trance artists ...
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