Psytrance evolution is finish

On 2006-10-03 22:20, Colin OOOD wrote:
I reckon the genre might have a trick or two up it's sleeve yet However (IMO) a lot of 'psychedelic trance' around these days is neither psychedelic nor trancy.

On 2006-08-15 18:07, Alectrance wrote:
2006 psystrance releases sound old boring with recicled base lines!
Someone wrote goa trance died due to music had to innovate.
Today i write this kind of psytrance should die due to psychedelic music should to innovate!
these days i miss sophisticated music!

On 2006-10-06 10:00, Zoolog wrote:
Colin says:
...a lot of 'psychedelic trance' around these days is neither psychedelic nor trancy.

Zoolog says:
Then its not 'psychedelic trance'

Filzbiber wrote

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On 2006-10-03 22:20, Colin OOOD wrote: I reckon the genre might have a trick or two up it's sleeve yet However (IMO) a lot of 'psychedelic trance' around these days is neither psychedelic nor trancy.

Yep, you're right, but why care. As long as you're produce groovy music and others are doing as well.... just don't care about the rest. That's how you keep it alive (and real).

On 2006-08-15 18:42, Pavel wrote:
Perhaps it's time you go and listen to other music. Like many people here did.

On 2006-10-03 19:11, Pythagoraz Denmark wrote:
frankly I'm tired of people who whines about the lack of quality in our genre.

a short story:
I have a (girl) friend who recently went to her first Psy party and as most of us she got blown away by the music and the atmosphere. She began to ask me about stuff regarding the genre and I tried to guide her in her search for psychedelic experiences. I told her about different styles, festivals, artists etc. and when she asked about places where she could meet people with similar interests and read stuff i natually pointed her this way.

Now what happened when she came in here? -well, she contacted me some days after and asked me if there was another place other than Isratrance she could visit. I asked why? and she answered that she would like to find people who LIKED Psychedelic-trance and not people who only talked about how everything was better in the old days, how artists, labels etc. only think about money, how all the releases sounds alike etc. basicly how sad and bad everything is -I wish I could have proved her wrong, but lets face it, that is pretty much the "headline" of Isratrance's Debates these days.

Now my friend who doesn't live near any trance people or parties, so she was hoping that the internet would be of help but actually ended up kinda giving up on it all. she still wants to come hear our liveset next time we are at a party enar her, bu she had the feeling that her VERY positive attitude towards a new and promising Experience and even lifestyle, was totally disillusioned after a couple of days in this forum.

This girl would probably have been a very active Trancer if I have the right idea about her. -but now she prolly will never be.

Now- what does this have to do with anything?

-Well I for one partially agrees with her views. that is, I will not leave and bail out, but I do think all this whining and dissing is a big part of the problem. and yes, I do agree that there are non stimulating tendencies in our scene, but wth. it's not like I am forced to listen to the tracks I do not like so they really are not a part of my trance experience at all.

lets take another genre and compare it with our genre. for instance hip-hop. Is there any similar problems with similar sounding tracks comming from there? .... omg yes! og how about, lets say rock music... -well rock music has always been popular and popular music makes money which is why big labels invest alot in that stuff and we all know big labels never really release artists with groundbreaking new sounds. -no they get the popular artists from the indie labels and either promote them copy the sound. so yes the money in the rock industry are too invested into known material that is guaranteed to please the masses rather than the new sounds and initiatives.

-I could probably go on like this forever, but my point is that THE WHOLE MUSIC SCENE has these "problems" and allways has had them. the only exception is when new genres take form and they are still underground, like acid, raves etc, punk etc.

but WHY ARE WE THE ONES WHO CAN't FUCKING GET OVER THE FACT that we are not underground anymore??

now I know that it is possible to listen to great hip-hop without listening to pathetic stuff like 50-cent etc. and I know I am the only one who decides if i should buy the new "Good Charlotte" album or the new "Bob Dylan" album. there is no problem there, just as there is no problem in me not buying the new skazi album when i browse the new releases at the local trance shop.

this leads to the second point. if people buy more bad releases in our genres than they buy good and newthinking stuff, either you/I (in the spirit of the democracy) is the one who are all wrong regaring quality since overruled by the mayority, or as I'd like to think, you/I just have a different taste and maybe even an urge to get deeper into the perfectionism of our music than the mayority does. if the mayority then at some point stops liking the quickly produced comecial stuff, well.. it wouldt be comercial anymore and therefor wouldn't be released.


to put it shortly :
I think you all should stop trying to be so fucking negative about everything and instead just see our genre as it is, -namely so gigantic, and confusing that you really have no choice but to accept that your focus of interest can't be on every single piece of music (and shit) that is released but instead on the stuff that you like, and if your focus was put there then maybe you could write about that and inspire other people, both newcommers and pioneers instead of making everybody depressive or even scaring some entirely away.

-and if there really is no stuff you like, well... -what the hell are you even doing here?


yeah I now I wrote too much! :s sry