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14-year old e-tard
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Posted : Nov 8, 2005 13:51
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You didn't answer my question though...has the thought that all this is nothing more than a chemical reaction in your head, ever crossed your mind?
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JasOn TeGmA
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Posted : Nov 8, 2005 14:03
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Nice Frappe will be only "glykos" like me and with a nice young lady besides me. And a nice place for that will be: Tsimiski in saloniki or Bournazi in Athens.
Par metron ariston mrs aniston hehe
Tsiftetelic trance for ever manges....
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tim@motion
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Posted : Nov 8, 2005 14:07
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Holly shit!!! you survived this on drops?
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XrTC
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Posted : Nov 8, 2005 15:11
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Psy_mystic
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Posted : Nov 9, 2005 00:46
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14YOetard . .
have u ever thought that what u know and what u believe in is just an outcome of what u have been tought?
psychedelics let YOU decide what to teach yourself..if u know what i mean.
And thing is that noone can provide evidence that the world u experience on psychedelics is not real.What u recieve as real is a chemical reaction as well,so why should this "reality" b more real than the other reality..
can u answer me that 14yo ?
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14-year old e-tard
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Posted : Nov 9, 2005 11:14
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What I know is based of facts mate. Drugs fry your brain, it is not an assumption or my personal point of view.
Hallucinogenics make you hallucinate, you know what that word means?
We can all sit here and talk bollocks about what hallucinating means to individuals, but I'll simply quote the web's On-line Medical Dictionary.
"Hallucinations
Subjectively experienced sensation in the absence of an actual appropriate stimulus, but which is regarded by the individual as real."
"Hallucinogens
Drugs capable of inducing illusions, hallucinations, delusions, paranoid ideations, and other alterations of mood and thinking. Despite the name, the feature that distinguishes these agents from other classes of drugs is their capacity to induce states of altered perception, thought, and feeling that are not experienced otherwise.
I'm no saint and I am not talking from my high horse. I've done drugs, I've had my kicks and blasts and all that shit, but I also have enough cells in my brain to see the difference and know that this reality is my perception, nothing more.
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psyhunterson
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Posted : Nov 9, 2005 13:41
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On 2005-11-07 14:51, XrTC wrote:
as about the greek law, it is based on the same principle as to why they force you to wear a helmet when riding a bike. you might be free to do whatever you want, but it's not you who they're trying to protect, it's your family. and they are protecting your family from the suffer (mental/physical) your loss would cause. i don't know, but now that i think of it i am starting to believe that it is damn good reason.........
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ok, so far your arguments are fair enough.
but what about alcohol? why the hell can teenagers freely buy booze and get drunk without being "protected" by the Greek law? and what will happen to their parents when their kids are on the edge of alcoholism? i guess they won't care untill they develop a liver disease! and that's simply because economic interests and society told them that alcohol is ok, not as bad as other substances.
...and please you tell me. do you know anyone who can go to a party without having his braincells 'sparked' with at least alcohol? let's face the reality guys.it's a mood changing,addictive drug that passes as ok. so i may agree with your arguments about drugs and protection but in this frame of thinking, the law should also protect us from alcohol, caffeine and tobacco! and don't tell me that these arent drugs, harmfull, or addictive cause scientists for years try (in vain)to inform people about their catastrophic effects! therefore everybody should be in jail in order to be protected from their self-destructive tendencies!!!
Dont get me wrong. i sympathize with xrtc and tim-x-treme about their opinion on substances but things arent always black and white.
you may say that i'm over-obsessed with alcohol and that's true. it's because i used to think that i didn't do drugs but had to have a few drinks just to get my mood up. afer a few years i developed a liver decease and now i'm a complete vegan and can't dring alcohol at all!
I don't do drugs (yet i have tried ocasionally, cannabis)and i still enjoy trance parties being sober. the sad thing is that i see those who preach against drugs and mock those who use them, drinking alot of alcohol to get fixed  this of course doesn't apply to xrtc or tim-x-treme as i don't know their habbits and therefore would be unfair for them to judje them.
i think that instead of judjing each other as "burned" or whatever we should be more introspective and look deep into ourselves. are we really free of all kinds of drugs? do we want someone to judje us? condemn us? locking us in jail??? i don't think so.
just let the people be...
whoever wanna try substances the'll do it anyway
and for those who are against drugs, good for them 'cause the best drug is living (and adrenaline in my opinion  )
just don't judge please 
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Psy_mystic
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Posted : Nov 9, 2005 17:10
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but I also have enough cells in my brain to see the difference and know that this reality is my perception, nothing more.
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look mate this story about brain cells is a bit misunderstood and misinterpreted .
Scientists cannot say for sure if mushrooms are capable of causing any PHYSICAL damage of any sort,
and as far as cannabis is concerned-It works the same way as alcohol more or less,withte exception that alcohol is alot more easy to actually fry your brain ,whereas cannabis will act mostly as a switch turner in your brain-pushing some buttons to produce the effex,buttons which will in their majority return to their oroginal position.
as for LSD ,it is hardcore -if its pure -
but not that dangerous (physically ) ,cause its not addictive and is sth that u will take once (or more but in special occasions,i reckon)in your life and i dont think ull want to keep doing it every week 
NOTE that i am not talking about EXCESSIVE use.There is no point in talking about excessive use because then no matter what we concentrate on it makes no difference (a heavy drinker is in the same deep shit as a heavy smoker ,or an obsessed chocolate lover!)
and about the greek law - a BIG FCUK u!!! -
id rather go camping in afghanistan rather than having THIS law protect me
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we are not free-we think we are but we're not!
FREEDOM is what I want and it should be what YOU want too!!!!
and i urge every1 to read this :
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/2120441.stm
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14-year old e-tard
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Posted : Nov 10, 2005 12:01
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Psy-mystic I agree about taking things in moderation. But as Xrtc already said, and wisely so, there is a very fine line between using and abusing. Although that fine line becomes invisible when mind altering substances are involved. Since it is a fact that your perception of reality is altered by acid, weed, whisky, shrooms...etc, it is extremely difficult to take two steps back and see the person you are becoming.
Let me just say that I don not blame drugs for the demise of the people who use them, I blame people for that. If someone plays with fire and gets burned, you can never blame fire, only the person.
Yes alcohol is legal and not because it is safer than weed, but because the goverment is making money from taxing it. Same thing will happen with weed sometime soon. I've been living in the UK for 6 years now and alcohol really seems as a tool for the goverment to control the british people. Wake up, go to work, get your pay check, go down the pub at 19:00 and start drinking like there's no tomorrow. The goverment is taking a large part of your paycheck from taxing drinks, by 23:30 you'll be pissed, by midnight you'll be in bed in order to sober up and come to work again tomorrow to repeat the process.
So yeah, maybe there's no apparent physical damage when taking drugs, but your percpetion of reality is altered, which is what we are talking about here. A subjective altered reality is not the objective reality, even though you can clearly see pink calis dancing around you when you are on the dancefloor.
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tim@motion
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Posted : Nov 10, 2005 13:57
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psy hunterson. I am more weak than you think. I've done drugs, i smoke 2-3 packs of cigaretes, and if i go out i will drink the whole thermaikos gulf.
I can only fight my demons staying at home. Sth like own-prisoned. Sad eh? But true. And yet my worse nightmare is to fall in drugs again. This is going for 4 years now.
Actually posting in such topics, i mostly speak to my self...if you know what i mean. And reading posts like 14 year old e-tard's or yours, or xrtc's, is making my day.
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XrTC
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Posted : Nov 10, 2005 14:45
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psyhunterson,
for sure things are not black and white. i never look at things from such perspective and i thought that could be easily seen from my posts. but the fact is (like i said to psy_mystic) that in this public forum some things cannot be said (for all these reasons i explained in my previous post) so maybe that's why you misunderstood me.
i don't disagree that alcohol, nicotine and caffeine are also drugs and i am sorry you had this experience with alcohol. but you see, when i was talking about the laws, i was referring to the principle they are based on and it's this principle that i agree with, not the law itself! i never said that laws are 100% right or that they really protect us. that would be the ideal in a model community, but i think that in a model community there would be no need for laws...
anyway, i believe 14-year-old-e-tard's last post can be very revealing if you read it carefully and it captures all the essence of what's been said (or what should have been said) in this thread. i have to go now cos i am late for an appointment, but i will come back later to add a few more thoughts! until then........
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griniaris
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Posted : Nov 10, 2005 16:11
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I think you are far away from the subject but anyway I had psychedelic experience my self in the way I mean it.
My experience made me wake up one day and realize what is the spirit and how can I say that I am spiritual. Until that time I had no idea what that word ment. That changed my life and I understood that no one can protect me from drugs or alcohol or any other substances cause even if there are laws or not I will find they way to harm my self if I want it.
12 things I learned and I am trying to be close to them:
1. An increased tendency to let things happen rather than make them happen.
2. Frequent attacks of smiling.
3. Feelings of being connected with others and nature.
4. Frequent overwhelming episodes of appreciation.
5. A tendency to think and act spontaneously rather than from fears based
on past experience.
6. An unmistakable ability to enjoy each moment.
7. A loss of ability to worry.
8. A loss of interest in conflict.
9. A loss of interest in interpreting the actions of others.
10. A loss of interest in judging others.
11. A loss of interest in judging self.
12. Gaining the ability to love without expecting anything in return.
When I don't forget those things I taste the same psychedelic experience I had few years ago and no LSD can replace that or any other drug.
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TaRaTaTaM
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Posted : Nov 10, 2005 17:27
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Hello guys,i'm watching all this years this forum and i wonder, if is there any Psytrancer that have never took drugs?????
Pleaze don't move this topic.
Thanks.
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Gopendragon
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Posted : Nov 10, 2005 19:21
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On 2005-11-08 13:51, 14-year old e-tard wrote:
You didn't answer my question though...has the thought that all this is nothing more than a chemical reaction in your head, ever crossed your mind?
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after each action comes a reaction,the think is to manage that chemical reaction in mind with a way that will help you to solve any difrent problem that is stuck in the minds consiousnes, and get as much positive energy from that reaction trying to find the microcosmic elemental point deep inside with the same macrocosmic chemical element and put there it belongs.
Than if yo have to get in a trip with psy trance,the music gives a kind of a psychedelic energetic hallucinogenic channel to pass through and escape from the psysical body wich only helps to give directions as dancing and enter through a spirit world and cross the bridge that we build.
We have to be ready to receive such as powerfull energy without get blind or burn from that fire.When you are much hot from inside with esoterical fire and enouph charched before that chemical action the microcosmic gates from each center is prepared to receive that macrocosmic element to unlock each one energetic center(with the keys a wrote before),then the fire of the chemical elements reacts more normally and ballamced as flowing free with fire through those microcosmic channels. We have to give specific directions in that chemical or natural energy and follow the laws of the universe syntonized with the cosmic ballance to give the most higher spiritual reaction in a more ballanced and harmon ic flow.
So when you medite before and after each diferent action and dance in a meditative way with a substance ,you put all those elements in the right order covered with a kind of a shield.
Surely we dont take hallucinogenics each week before the substance because we would get weak ,and the substance will suck our energy and get control of our mind.
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14-year old e-tard
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Posted : Nov 10, 2005 19:31
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I'll take that as a no then.
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