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psyhunterson
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Posted : Nov 6, 2005 12:36
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i partly agree with tim-X-treme. lack of proper education on drugs in our country has led the greek society to condemn all kinds of mind altering substances (apart from alcohol) and at the same time many young people were led to assume that it would be ok to experiment with, and then abuse all kinds of substances since everything in Greece is equally "evil" and forbidden. "so why cannabis or shrooms and not heroin or lsd too? everything is condemned and evil and we wanna do something forbidden. don't we!"
That's why i believe that there should be proper education on the matter... however this doesn't mean that kids should be encouraged to try some substances over some others, but simply to know the different negative side-effects that different substances have. in this way those who would like to experiment with substances one way or another, they would at least choose those relatively safer than other addictive hard drugs. Also, i believe that greek society should educate its self to not consider alcohol as "ok" and less harmfull substance over other ones since thousands of people annually die from alcohol abuse!
Bottom line, A D U L T, F R E E people should freely choose whatever substances want for themselves and then responsibly face the consequensies ot their actions (if any). Society's duty is not condemn or hunt such people but to educate them from an early age without any prejudices. Freedom is an important thing and everybody should use it for themselves the way they want to as long as they're adults and don't harm their fellow humans.
...and yes, i too believe that is possible to enjoy psy trance without any mind altering substances including alcohol.
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Psy_mystic
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Posted : Nov 6, 2005 16:06
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cof??mate..that must have been BAD!
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Psy_mystic
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Posted : Nov 6, 2005 16:12
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Yeah,i agree with u -it would b sad if u couldn't -but perhaps first u ll have to have unlocked some doors in your mind through psy-substances ,which u can use later on in your life without the use of psychedelics
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So plz dont get me wrong
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its always nice to see others ppl serious views on subjects like these.cheers!
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CRX(HSS Records)
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Posted : Nov 6, 2005 22:28
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actually it was very nice there were supporting their "dusk.." lp so there was plent of good music for me to stuck my friends were at the same situation like me so I had ppl to understand me.there were 6 persons on stage with 2 gothic chicks dancers there were visuals and lights to b absorved but what bothered me was the fact that some ppl were looking at us like we were some kind of freaks. I wouldn't try psychedelics again 1 is enough I think
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vooood
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Posted : Nov 7, 2005 00:01
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~ goa/psy is the music i love the most and will allways listen to.. but i also listen to a lot of black/death and gothic metal.. i also go to parties dresed as a goth or in "metal" clothes 
~ regarding this topic.. i don't really understand what you mean by a psychedelic experience? something related to drugs or something psychic (astral projections, for example?)
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Music of the future and music of the past.
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XrTC
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Posted : Nov 7, 2005 14:51
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this is a much-discussed topic, always leading to a dead end with people splitting in two sides, trying to convince each other whether it is good to use drugs or not. (and then the topic gets locked...)
so, before this happens again, here's my opinion on the matter. it's a very delicate matter and every word you use when talking about it should be well thought of. words like "use", "abuse", "take", all have a different meaning when it comes to drugs. and then again, who defines when the "use" stops and the "abuse" starts?
i will try to give some definitions according to my perception. "use" is when you know what you take, why you take it, where and when to take it (also when NOT to take it) and how much to take. "abuse" is when you know what and why, but you don't know (or don't mind) the where and when or how much to take. and finally, "take" is when you don't know any of all these and you simply take it.
i think we can all agree that (according to the definitions above) the most dangerous of all is "taking" drugs. so, the debate is on "use" and "abuse", if "use" is any better than "abuse" and finally if "use" is good and "abuse" is bad. well, there was a time once that i was pretty much convinced that nothing's wrong with "use" as long as it doesn't lead to an "abuse". now i am deffinetely sure that "use" is exactly as bad as "abuse" for a very simple reason: because the limits where "use" stops and "abuse" starts are very thin, it's very easy to trick yourself that you are "using", when in fact you are "abusing" but in a smaller degree (later to become bigger and bigger and so on).
also, we don't have facts about the damage all these substances cause in relation to the usage etc. so, saying that only "abuse" is harmful for our health whereas "use" is not, is only a speculation not based on facts. for these reasons, my opinion these last years is that "use" is as dangerous as "abuse".
so, what's left to discuss is the matter of the one-time experience. that's a really hard one to answer. i don't know what my opinion will be some years later, but for now i agree with the opinion of trying smth once. if someone could convince himself that he is only trying out a substance (just to have the experience) i would recommend him to do it. but knowing how difficult it is not to repeat smth (especially if you really liked it) and also that even one-time experiences can be dangerous sometimes, then i believe we must all say no to drugs... even if it is to protect the 'weak' personalities. (smth like "o fovos fylaei ta erma" in greek)
so, maybe this music is best enjoyed under the influence of psychedelic drugs, maybe a one-time psychedelic experience with a psychedelic drug is essential in order later to be able to 'fully understand' this music, but one thing is for sure: we can't just keep saying everywhere and to everyone that "hey, drugs are good, you should try" etc etc...
as about the greek law, it is based on the same principle as to why they force you to wear a helmet when riding a bike. you might be free to do whatever you want, but it's not you who they're trying to protect, it's your family. and they are protecting your family from the suffer (mental/physical) your loss would cause. i don't know, but now that i think of it i am starting to believe that it is damn good reason.........
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XrTC
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Posted : Nov 7, 2005 15:18
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i believe we all had a psychedelic experience once: OUR BIRTH! 
imagine what an experience this is for the baby. it is familiar with living in a dark tight bag and then suddenly all this light and colours and shapes and sounds..... wow! must have been one heck of a psychedelic experience!! 
too bad we don't remember it...... .
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JaLi
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Posted : Nov 7, 2005 15:28
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We dont remember it exactly because it was so strong
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tim@motion
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Posted : Nov 7, 2005 16:26
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On 2005-11-07 14:51, XrTC wrote:
now i am deffinetely sure that "use" is exactly as bad as "abuse" for a very simple reason: because the limits where "use" stops and "abuse" starts are very thin, it's very easy to trick yourself that you are "using", when in fact you are "abusing" but in a smaller degree (later to become bigger and bigger and so on).
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That's my man
Don't blame me for this one, but i think that the Greek forum has some serious intelectual members. This is a wise post. If there is a diference with the other sections it is cause of this kind of thinking.
And thinking, doesn't take long to become acting 
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other side
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Posted : Nov 7, 2005 17:29
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What is psychedelic???
Na be i na min be ????? |
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14-year old e-tard
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Posted : Nov 7, 2005 18:44
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"Normal" people 1 - "psychonauts" (  ) 0
Where the f*ck is Gopendra when you need him/her?
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Psy_mystic
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Posted : Nov 7, 2005 19:15
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well..
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Bottom line, A D U L T, F R E E people should freely choose whatever substances want for themselves and then responsibly face the consequensies ot their actions (if any). Society's duty is not condemn or hunt such people but to educate them from an early age without any prejudices. Freedom is an important thing and everybody should use it for themselves the way they want to as long as they're adults and don't harm their fellow humans.
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thats the whole meaning of being adult,isn't.?DoES ANYONE on this forum need to be protected ??does ANYONE need some force over his head telling him what to do& what not to . . ???
as for what xrtc said about the greek laws wanting to protect our families and all that, i just dont buy it mate..what u are saying is that if I am "caught" smoking a j ,
I will be arrested ,and spend the night with some F****ing random criminals in jail( !!)for the sake of my loved ones???Hey , look at me!!! Im in jail with some criminals for my own gooD!!how lucky i am that I am not with my friends and instead i will make new friends!!HEY there is a heroin dealer!Look there is even a guy who stabbed some1!! lucky me!! ffs
AND WHAT DO U MEAN BY "LOSS"??
we're not talking about heroin mate...
I am talking about NON LETHAL drugs - YES!! some drugs wont kill u !!!! 'tis true!
some substances can open your mind--thats what "they" are afraid of -its not that they r trying to protect anyone!!
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Sorry,but this topic is best left to adults to discuss ...
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Polyester Corespun
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Posted : Nov 7, 2005 19:21
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On 2005-11-05 17:56, Psy_mystic wrote:
What i meant with the psychonaut/junkie relation is that ppl are not informed about "drugs" but still keep critisizing every1 and everything..It's really simple-how would u feel if some1 on ,shrooms was described as a junkie by some clueless guy??
THAT is what I cannot stand- ppl irrelevant to this whole scene....
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It's true we can't avoid criticism but you should not pay too much attention on such opinions! Why do you have to care about what others say out of ignorance? |
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Psy_mystic
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Posted : Nov 7, 2005 19:22
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I am talking about drug related experiences ,or NOT drug related (its just that u have to be of some higher mental level to have such an experience without any substances)
other side - u'll know when u feel it
peace
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Psy_mystic
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Posted : Nov 7, 2005 19:25
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Oh...and about what u said about birth is SO true!!
Dont u agree though that undergoing a psyexpirience is like being born again?
That same feeling of things getting all shaky and nasty and then, suddenly, total calmness..absolute peace.
lovely !!
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