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Psychedelic initiation...
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Jedi_knight
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Posted : May 27, 2008 18:33:26
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In the topic http://forum.isratrance.com/does-darkpsy-produces-badvibes/
i turned out to a serious questionig...
There is a whole subject that we must think about the psychedelic experience:
Is there any kind of INITIATION for the new funs?
We are talking about great amounts of energies.
We are talking about spirituality.
We are talking about travels to other dimensions.
We are talking about the spirit world.
We are talking about good and bad.
We are talking about God and satan.
We are talking about the opening of the third eye.
There must be some kind of INITIATION before entering these realms...
Without it is very dangerous for someone to face the psychedelic experience.
It's like someone who never thought or never wondered about almost anything spiritual face the trial of a shaman.
And there are not all the people appropriated to become shamans.
Even in the tribes of Indians they choose especialy the person who will become the shaman of the tribe. And he is only one person that is chosen from hundreds...
We must be very careful about the new members of this scene and we must try to talk to them and (if we can) teach them some things.
For ex. when someone in a party is running like crazy someone must stop him and ask him why he is running. Someone must try to talk to him and help him regain his mind control which in this case it is sure that is lost...
Instead of laughing or watching...
We must care for each other.
You never know when a bad trip will come to you or someone else.
Of course this subject is not only for the new psychedelic lovers but it is also for the old ones.
But the new ones are more corruptible and fragile and the old ones (i think) are responsible for them...
Does anyone remember a bad situation or a bad trip he faced in a psychedelic experience
and how he managed to get over it?
Did someone help him? And if he did ; in which way and how?
Also from the opposite side does anyone remember something that made him feel a lot of better in someway?
p.s.1 : All experiences are worthy! No matter how "small" or "big" they are...
p.s.2: Feel free to help others to gain knowledge over these matters. Knowledge is power!
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phiber_optixz
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Posted : May 27, 2008 19:11
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On 2008-05-27 18:33:26, Jedi_knight wrote:
Of course this subject is not only for the new psychedelic lovers but it is also for the old ones.
But the new ones are more corruptible and fragile and the old ones (i think) are responsible for them...
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@Jedi_knight : Very nice topic! Waiting for some serious inputs from old timers.  Keep posting.
Its high time for you old timers, to do something about the scene and guide the new people into it. Talk about psychedelia without drugs.
Btw, i consider myself a newbie in this scene. Got lots to imbibe.  |
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Gopendragon
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Posted : May 27, 2008 20:59
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Bravo dear jedi,u show that u care about our souls,kind spirit always!!
The true initiation is something personal,and depends from the characteristics of someones psychology and karma.
If we consider that we spiritual beings into human bodies that means reincarnated souls inside new bodies,new bodies that carries karma from past lifes where we have passed from different levels of existance,and we now live by cause and effect.
When we dance in trance we may experience trhough psychedelic sounds and ecstacy feelings, some kind state of samadhi.
Samadhi is when we get in trance or meditation and pass through beyond time and space,recovering some past memories before hundread or even milions of yeARS,for example when u dance and feel like the shaman's totem or like Shiva's tandav,think that u may experience a similar or familiar action from an shamanic tribal ceremony u experienced in a previous life or a Shivaratri celebration on the past as a Shivaist yogi..
It is like doing the same thing for thousands of years ,and I am sure about that ,I have experinced a lot of samadhi memories everywhere around world,and trance dance through psycedelia have lead me closer my divine being,our astral bodies are the witness,as we search through the astral web of psychedelia running as a cosmic shaman spider through the web paths of the cosmic subconscious ,the collective conciousnes,we remeber our nature,the source of the existance of our being,our soul.
Psychedelic initiation have levels,but all that counts more for everybody is never forget the union,the love,the respect and harmony.
And importan thing for all is to awake conciousnes by being all the time in the moment,observing with conciously self without ego,from where u come,where u go,where u are,who u are,and why u run...each last sound we catch when we dance/listen, should have be focused with the mind on it,all the time but without think of it,just feel it with heart,follow it,and let ur heart guide ur eye,ur third eye, because the spiritual eye needs guidance from love,otherwise demons may apear and then lost in darkness of ignorance very easy.
Only the lightfull colours of a well energised anahata chakra,can light with safety each step on the path of a trip..
so follow ur heart cutty shark
~~~~~~~namaskar~~~~~~~~~
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psycho-italiano
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Posted : May 27, 2008 21:56
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Well, I think the instructions and the guide lines should be written in a very simple English.
& without digging into too much info about spirituality and dimensions etc…
Coz it may confuse young psy people, Instead of helping them.
Anyway, from what I saw in many parites, there are even 16 – 18 years kids that know how to handle very deep psychedelic states of mind easier than some 30+ dudes.
Each person that survive bad trip at least 1 time, and learned the lesson… then he may remember it forever. And can handle any bad trip.
If someone is running in a party, it doesn’t mean he is under a bad trip , but its for sure a good thing to check if all is good with him.
Some people may stand like there is nothing wrong with them, and actually they are out of their buddies without knowing what the hell they are passing to, then getting into schizophrenic mode.
but they may have their control back, then will ask people in the party about this thing and iam sure that they will find someone that will help them (at the end we are all good people)…..
so you can’t check if everyone is fine in a party that contains 5000 people…
but again, if you suspect that something wrong with somebody, then its for sure the best thing you do, if you talk to him/her and see if he is under control and feels fine.
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I remember my self, before 8 years having the first and last most bad heavy psychedelic trip…. All the universe became transparent…and there were only bad creatures, and skeletons alive….it was very ugly and scary horror trip…the temperature of my body raised tell I saw my self melting….then I had a feeling that iam crazy, actually , its funny to talk about it now coz it doesn’t scare me any more… the opposite, that dimension is scare of me today, hehe…
Then I thought that I knew how a crazy person feels, then I felt very sorry about all those crazy people I was seeing on the streets, and in the same time about me with more scary feeling and horror, i thought, that’s it..iam finished… but I didn’t give up…. Despite all that worst trip, I could catch a very good rasta-man, and asked him for a help…..i told him what I am passing to….
Then he told me a few things about spirituality and taught me how to control my imaginations…it was very quick and easy coz he retuned me to my sanity….he could connect to my brain and being me, he guided me very well , a true master!
Since then, I had a lot of deeper psychedelic experiences….and all if them are good, but I still remember what is a bad trip and how to get into the lower astral plane…but I don’t do it, coz its not healthy… shit, no chicks there ) only ugly images…
So the only and one good tip for new diggers is:
being closed to friends, especially those whom you love, you should be all with eye contact, while being into some heavy psychedelic state of mind.
Coz if you ever will have a bad trip, no matter how it looks like, then when you see someone you love, you are RELAXED !!! then you are back to your self and get full control.
and it doesn’t matter how much you prepare your ass with books about spirituality, energies, etc…
being with friend that keep eye on you is the most safe thing on the world.
And much more better if your friends are experienced.
But! Never ever think that being with friend will give you a guarantee 100% that you will be safe, so don't exaggerate with psychedelics, and make it step by step, levels, without jumping or checking your limits, you will lose then very quickly!!! Coz you will never know what will happen, coz you are new!!! remmber that we are only students of the universe...not the teachers! we may fail somewhere...so we must train by steps!
but I can give you a guarantee for this: if you don’t touch any psychedelic stuff, and not listening to cheesy music (such as full on) then you will always stay safe
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deeplydisturbed
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Posted : May 28, 2008 00:00
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On 2008-05-27 21:56, psycho-italiano wrote:
but I can give you a guarantee for this: if you don’t touch any psychedelic stuff, .........then you will always stay safe
peace
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now wheres the fun in that!
i personally enjoy the bad trips, coz i know, they are just that....trips!!!
and what doesnt kill me invariably makes me stronger!!
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ZenMind
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Posted : May 28, 2008 02:45
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Boys and girls, KEEP OUT OFF DRUGS, and if you do it
1- never take more than 1/4 at a time, wait for the bang to come, its not instantaneous, if your scared take and orange and eat it it will help a bit cutting the effect.
2- Mediate your trip between silence, chillout (if theres one) and dancefloor, this way you will balance the energy.
3- be prepared for some heavy psychedelic moments, just let go of yourself and dont try too hard to control it, let it flow you are not human anymore so think alien.
Follow all of psycho-italiano advices (good ones) 
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BrainLizzard
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Posted : May 28, 2008 03:24
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No matter how great or perfect the initiation is, emotional call backs will come if a shaman dose is taken.Call backs that the user may very well not even know exist. Thats just for starts. There is a lot more processing for a non indigenous person therefor creating a harder path to travel to find oneself and more difficult for people around them.Ask yourself why before you fly.Fast and prep yourself. Have a guide and health insurance.It can take months to come back even longer to stop seeing trails...
Kundalini yoga and warrior sweats with 52 rocks can help naturally.. |
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Psytracked
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Posted : May 28, 2008 03:31
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Jedi_knight
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Posted : May 28, 2008 11:47
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I agree with psycho-italiano about the value and the importance of friends and generaly of friendship.
But there are times that your friends may be not there when you need them or may be in a worst situation than you are.
My advice is :
When everything starts to change: 1.the enviroment , 2. the energy or 3.the people then it's time for yourself to change too.
My trick which always help is :
I try to concentrate to an imaginary model.
My favorite is a superhero (like superman).
I try to believe that i have his powers:
I am invulnerable to almost anything.
I have amazing speed.
I have amazing power.
So in the end nothing can hurt me and i can escape every trap or block that stands in frond of me.
This helps me alot.
Also i choose the most suitable model that fits the exact situation or problem i face.
A choose the powers i like and instantly i have them.
But all this to happen is necessary the motivation i have.
It must be a good and pure motive:
Something like to help everyone or to protect everyone as aslo my self.
When there is a kind and nobel motivation then the powers i demand to have are given to me freely and instantly.
But if something abstract me from my noble cause or if my motivation is bad then i may never get the powers i want or even if i get them i may loose them at any time.
So if you are truly good then nothing can stop you.
There will be no enemy strong enough to win you.
But as i said the pure , kind and noble motivation
is vital.
I also believe that everything is a mind game but it has also to do with the spirit and the soul.
Anyway some thoughts may help you or some thoughts may destroy you... ---RealPsyLifeForRealPsyPeople--- |
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mk47
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Posted : May 28, 2008 12:01
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lol
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kriz
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Posted : May 28, 2008 12:17
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Months to stop seeing trails ? Take 1/4 ? I take one hit and then dose
more, if its weak even more in first hit.. Its ofcurse very important
that you are in good mental state, if not lay off it.
Then you when you come down you are down, no more trails or anything
I would advise people to get used to psychdelics with god friends
first, then you can do it alone at partys/festivals etc..
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Posted : May 28, 2008 12:24
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On 2008-05-28 11:47, Jedi_knight wrote:
I also believe that everything is a mind game but it has also to do with the spirit and the soul.
Anyway some thoughts may help you or some thoughts may destroy you...
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i cannot agree more with this one. imho all is coming just because the body chemistry has changed and if you start getting deeper in those freaking you thoughts drag out your mind and concentrate your attention in something else
anyway if you can't handle the drugs just do them
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Ellon
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Posted : May 28, 2008 13:06
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Posted : May 28, 2008 13:07
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Dont do it just to be cool, dont do it just cuz everyone else is, dont do it when your minds all messed up to begin with, dont do it as a means of escapism cuz you cant escape, you can only magnify, dont do it too often, try doing it only in the presence of people that really care for u and who'll look after you if sumthing goes wrong, whatever happens know that it is a trip and it will end in a few hours, when it ends merge back with reality(of our everyday world) dont go astray from it.
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Ellon
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Posted : May 28, 2008 13:25
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On 2008-05-28 13:07, HiGheR^AcCeSs wrote:
Dont do it just to be cool, dont do it just cuz everyone else is, dont do it when your minds all messed up to begin with, dont do it as a means of escapism cuz you cant escape, you can only magnify, dont do it too often, try doing it only in the presence of people that really care for u and who'll look after you if sumthing goes wrong, whatever happens know that it is a trip and it will end in a few hours, when it ends merge back with reality(of our everyday world) dont go astray from it.
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I subscribe entirely....
Always put a meanning in whatever you do, specially if psychadelics are the issue.
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