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Psychedelic House.

Sandoz


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Posted : Nov 21, 2006 20:35
Ok, I know the term is lame, but I would say...

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Basilisk
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Posted : Nov 21, 2006 21:03
This topic came up on Psynews... here was my response (slightly edited):

"Psy house" is misleading terminology... as mentioned, most psytrance lacks the required level of funk (Healey/Allen projects excepted, with a nod to pr0fane). This type of music usually falls into the progressive realm... since the psytrance world is so insular and segregated, we often forget that "our" progressive is but one subset of a greater progressive movement, bent on taking established electronic music styles and moving them into the future. This is often in the pursuit of a higher level of sophistication, as leading artists focus on subtlety, minimalism, a cleaner more "mature" aesthetic, and better sound quality using state-of-the-art production techniques. Since the "progressive" approach is fairly widespread, encompassing artists and labels from many distinct EDM genres, the results from these disparate scenes have been increasingly convergent; the distinction between house, trance, and techno blends into irrelevance. Is Minilogue minimal electro, progressive house, or glitchy techno? How about Extrawelt?

The point is, "psy house" has little to do with "house music" as Jack would see it... the term has a certain enduring currency (I've heard this term for years) perhaps because the concept is very easy to relate to, however ill-conceived and erroneous it may be.

Addendum: psychedelic house does exist, but you will need to turn back the clock to find anything that doesn't automatically fall into the realm of "progressive" by virtue of possessing a smoother sound. Consider Snake Thing, Eat Static, and (perhaps) C.O.N. Sequencer, or refer back to the aforementioned Allen & Healey projects such as Quirk or Electric Tease. Blizzard of Ooze is the quintessential psychedelic house track as far as I am concerned, but can you name anything else like it? Modern stuff doesn't get so brash and funky while maintaining the weirdness. I tend to think of the Iboga style as progressive psytrance, while Beckers et al are firmly within the progressive house realm. That's my take on it anyhow.

Lastly, if you're curious about the borderlands where psytrance meets progressive house, check out a mix of mine:
http://www.ektoplazm.com/audio/basilisk-live-at-harvest-2006/

* I might revise this subject for my blog... which would make this a rough draft. I say this for future reference since I won't be able to edit this post
MercuryFall
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Posted : Nov 22, 2006 16:39
yeah yeah, labelling and stuff... In our scene, anyway, I feel that the term 'progressive' is used for any music with tempo lower than 140BPM. ANd it so happens that House music beats the same...

What makes House music? IMHO it's melodic and funky basslines, groovy noises and sometimes hot chicks singing on top. Apart for the chick, why the hell can't it be psychedelic??? Even the chick's vocals could be processed through vocoder and/or multiFX to make your mind travel. Which is what psychedelic is about no? Mind travelling... Therefore, anymusic in any given style can be psychedelic...
... And if it's really not psychedelic, take a trip and listen again
Drunken Monk


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Posted : Nov 22, 2006 19:43
..and a lot of styles are rocking but arent rock n roll..
Same goes for "psychedelic". Yes. All music styles (ehm.. well not all but anyway) might be psychedelic.
Its one word that can be used to characterize something which enters your soul. (well not exactly like that.. but i would explained it better in Greek). If house music does this to someone then for him its psychedelic. BUt, its not psychedelic (as style name, god damn labeling...).
Watch it from another point of view...
In some psy tracks (doesnt mind from which sub-genre) there are elements/influences from (all?) other kinds of music. And for sure you still call it psy and not Jazz for example.
In conclusion, labeling supposed to help us communicate and talk about music but some times just makes it irrealisable.

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Quote:

In our scene, anyway, I feel that the term 'progressive' is used for any music with tempo lower than 140BPM.


Just wondering if we make a track, at higher bpm, which still is psychedelic and has new ''characteristics'', would we call it progressive or even would we ll change the ''requirements'' for a track to named progressive?

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sue
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Posted : Nov 23, 2006 02:29
Quote:

On 2006-11-18 15:00, pr0fane wrote:
Psychedelic House? I would say Mark Allen and Tim Healey stuff. Quirk, Hopefiend, Allen & Healey etc.



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Yidam
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Posted : Nov 23, 2006 05:05
There was a 2003 release called 'House of Goa'

http://www.psyshop.com/shop/CDs/stb/stb2cd030.html

Might fit the description of what you're looking for.
damage
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Posted : Nov 23, 2006 19:56
i recently got a 2004 dj mix by dj lee damage (funny) and there were some psychodelic house tunes in this mix forsure. complete with powerfull 16th basslines and all. very fucking cool music. not much difirence from psytrance. maybe just a little bit less fucking around and more on the powerful dancefloor vibes. little bit dark in nature as well with no aditional cheese added.

but there is psy hardcore as well which is alooooot more psychodelic than psytrance...not to mention all the real psychodelic sounding drum&bass trax.
rajatrao5
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Posted : Nov 23, 2006 20:01
there are some good house electro remixes ive heard such as royksoop - what else is there (interactive rmx)...pretty cool track. But i guess acid house can be pulled into this picture.
Pt.
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Posted : Nov 23, 2006 20:08
I've always believed that the term "Deep House" is what one could compare to the term "Psychedelic House"?
psyrexian


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Posted : Nov 23, 2006 20:30
Quote:

On 2006-11-23 20:08, psytones wrote:
I've always believed that the term "Deep House" is what one could compare to the term "Psychedelic House"?


Me 2
very funny topic indeed ...sorry for beeing narow minded but i will stick to my loveble
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oh and i see you have finally mentioned Kruger & Coyle for psy house example !

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Arronax
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Posted : Dec 1, 2006 02:26
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kazuku
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Posted : Dec 1, 2006 05:12
I never really considered house music to be psychedelic (at least for me). Then I heard a set MOSHIC played (Honolulu 05) and that opened my mind to new things

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Magox
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Posted : Dec 1, 2006 07:43
[quote]
On 2006-11-22 19:43, Drunken Monk wrote:
..and a lot of styles are rocking but arent rock n roll..
Same goes for "psychedelic". Yes. All music styles (ehm.. well not all but anyway) might be psychedelic.
Its one word that can be used to characterize something which enters your soul. (well not exactly like that.. but i would explained it better in Greek). If house music does this to someone then for him its psychedelic. BUt, its not psychedelic (as style name, god damn labeling...).
Watch it from another point of view...
In some psy tracks (doesnt mind from which sub-genre) there are elements/influences from (all?) other kinds of music. And for sure you still call it psy and not Jazz for example.
In conclusion, labeling supposed to help us communicate and talk about music but some times just makes it irrealisable.

PS..
Quote:

In our scene, anyway, I feel that the term 'progressive' is used for any music with tempo lower than 140BPM

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BooM.........excellent point on all fronts........

labeling is an imperfect "science".....because there is no true 'tangible' guide line that 'truely' classifies it......

so the word 'psychedelic' has been associated with trance....and rightfully so imo.....but its not just about trance anymore for me....it is about sounding 'psychedelic'.....and 'psychedelic' music varies from one person to the other.....

we are all different....some people think that uplifting melodies is 'psychedelic' for them....because they reach certain 'plateaus' internally.....where others like hearing demonic, distorted sounds that is 'psychedelic' for them.....and for me..... hearing twisted, trippy sounding samples enhances my 'psychedelia'.......

for everyone it is different.....

and as drunken monk says.....labeling is just a form of communication.....a descriptive way to communicate what we hear......and since it is 'imperfect'.....there will be many confusions.....because we perceive things differently then others....

i have no problem with labeling 'psychedlic house' as a way to communicate what kind of track it is......

for me........if i hear someone say it sounds like 'psychedelic house'.....i will automatically think.....slower bpm's....with a groove.....and 'psychedelic' elements added on to it.....of course this was a pretty vague answer......but you get the drift......or maybe you dont?


[quote]
In our scene, anyway, I feel that the term 'progressive' is used for any music with tempo lower than 140BPM





i believe this comment to be inaccurate.....in my views......because their are many artists that i consider to be 'progressive' above 140bpm.s

atmos, headcleaner album......beatbizarre lewd album, sensient, floattank........many artists....

the 'groovy' sounding progressive artists for the most part are below the 140 bpms.....

well anyway.....

this is my silly view of things....


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KakoOlalaJwal
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Posted : Dec 4, 2006 12:05
Quote:

On 2006-11-23 20:08, psytones wrote:
I've always believed that the term "Deep House" is what one could compare to the term "Psychedelic House"?



Hmmmm no.. Deep House is definitely something very quiet, close to chilled beats.           .
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Pt.
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Posted : Dec 4, 2006 12:25
hm, ok. Because as I remember it from the day when I got that impression. The thing was that the "house" we where listening to was trippy. With effects and a deeper mood. - I asked my friend what we where listening to, and hetold me the "label" within the house genre was "deep house". So after that I reconned that "deep" often included trippy effects and moods. .. hm, then what is "deep trance"? Deep trance isn't a normal label like Deep House, but for me, whet I've heard. Deep trance is NOT Goa/psy-trance. It's just "non" fluff, and more deep mood with psychedelic/trippy influences type of trance.
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