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Posted : Oct 4, 2007 22:28
if only you could read and understain the meaning of christianity then everything on this earth would be different.
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Posted : Oct 4, 2007 22:40
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On 2007-10-04 22:28, trancedance wrote:
if only you could read and understain the meaning of christianity then everything on this earth would be different.
Very true. You just forgot one thing:
PRACTICE IT!
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Posted : Oct 5, 2007 10:41
TAS
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Posted : Oct 5, 2007 11:30
Feel really sorry for you guys/girls that have been blinded about this so called "religions"... Nowdays religion is a way to control the masses of the ppl. And I´m sorry if you are sooo in to your religion that you can´t see "outside the box" Religion is and are going to be the end of the earth if it continues like it has lately...
Just look at my fucking flag... that is what christianity has done with it ...and makes us pay the fucking church each year.. (Wich I don´t do coz´I have signed out but many don´t know that you can do this and get an extra 100Euro every year)
Wonder how many ppl have got killed under the crusades in my country and others...
FFS... "they" took control and forced ppl to their believes... and now it has gone so many years that ppl are used to it and has gotten to brainwashed... and why do you think the church and state work togheter??
DETOX
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Posted : Oct 5, 2007 15:15
TAS you are also paying money for the church?
Damn i thought only us in Greece were so damn stupid to do and accept that since noone informed us about it.
Interesting info indeed.
P.S The Starchild info site MUST BE DELETED since not only it is a joke (Archangel Michael through Celia???Who does she think she is Gods Messenger or something?) but it is also a promotion of a religious cult or something and this forum must stay away from all these things.Discussion is ok but giving away such links is not.
Toodaloo Motherfuckers!!!!!
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Posted : Oct 5, 2007 15:20
There is no such a thing like Christianity.
But Your Religion....
I am sad about people closed minds......
But the time will come.....
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Posted : Oct 5, 2007 15:21
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On 2007-10-05 15:15, DETOX wrote:
TAS you are also paying money for the church?
Damn i thought only us in Greece were so damn stupid to do and accept that since noone informed us about it.
Interesting info indeed.
P.S The Starchild info site MUST BE DELETED since not only it is a joke (Archangel Michael through Celia???Who does she think she is Gods Messenger or something?) but it is also a promotion of a religious cult or something and this forum must stay away from all these things.Discussion is ok but giving away such links is not.
Agreed!
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Posted : Oct 5, 2007 15:25
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Aluxe said:
Well I think a lot of people simply don’t agree or connect with a lot of what is written in the Christian Bible, and I think this is understandable. If you read the Bible with a critical mind you will find many inconsistencies and stuff which to a free mind may not completely feel like the truth. I for instance feel Christianity has a lot of sexism (against women like many other religions do as well) and there is also a lot fear and guilt which maybe is a means of control? like the idea that you will burn in hell for eternity if you do not believe in Jesus (or is this love?). I also don’t connect with Christians general ideas about sex and our naked body being a source of shame, this seems insane to me and it’s a very repressive mindset which has done a lot of harm and only made our society more obssesed and confused in regards to something as natural and basic as sex.
But funny how I see how a lot of people who say they follow Jesus and the Bible but pretty much discard without much thought the rules they don’t want to hear about their religion while still pretending they are followers and so pretty much everyone makes up their own personal Jesus to fit their lifestyle (or to avoid dealing with confronting their supposed beliefs)
And some will argue that much of what is said in the Bible has hidden or metaphorical meanings.. but so then what is the point of us reading the Bible if it's meant to be interpreted in some unknown way?
Anyways, I also think there is some resentment towards popular religions like Christianity because all those beliefs have been imposed on so many areas of the world by force (over other just as valid beliefs and religions) when in the end maybe the truth is something else.
Trancedance wrote:
“Christianity is love as his leader IS (not was). It's the ONLY true way of life that leads to God”
Yeah all the religious fanatics claim that their religion is the ONLY true way, and that mentality has caused many fights and wars. So maybe that mentality is afterall not the true way.
I think for me the psychedelic experience is less about religion and more about spirituality, about going beyond the constraints of religions, culture and all that divides all beings. (or something like that..)
To me there is truth in everything and the real Bible is all the universe. Some connect to the truth by calling it Jesus, others by devotion to nature. But whatever it all is and means, I think we are all part of it and in the end everything melts into one same language through which everything at some level is connected.
Peace
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TAS
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Posted : Oct 5, 2007 23:00
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On 2007-10-05 15:15, DETOX wrote:
TAS you are also paying money for the church?
Damn i thought only us in Greece were so damn stupid to do and accept that since noone informed us about it.
Interesting info indeed.
Yeah... all swedish citizens does this each year. Althou you don´t know were they take the money from. It just says "Church taxes" or something when you get your "income-tax return form" every year... but I phoned "my church" and told them I didn´t want to pay them anymore, so I don´t BUT, I still have to pay them about 300SEK (1Euro = 9,5SEK - you do the math ) each year for "my future grave". And this I had to pay. I told her that I wanted to be burned to ashes when I died and not put in a grave coz´ I don't want my family to have an grave they feel they must visit... "better they remember me in their thoughs"... but I had to pay anyway https://www.facebook.com/pages/Toxic-Anger-Syndrome/92541329414 https://www.facebook.com/pages/Cut-the-Cheese/148402755958 http://www.youtube.com/Trollhelltown
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Posted : Oct 5, 2007 23:21
Just remember, the religions have good intentions, and they are good guidelines to live by. It is the people that taint it!!
"On the path of spirituality, one ventures to vanquish one’s own faults rather than to judge others"
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Posted : Oct 6, 2007 02:19
In Brazil, there's a religion which you HAVE to pay 10% of you pay check to the Church.
They claim you are buying your place in heaven!
Now, how fucked up is that?? I know poeple are still making their choices to contribute, ,but still, how rotten a humnan being is to do such thing??
And the worst part is, most of these people are poor.
Regards!
TAS
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Posted : Oct 6, 2007 03:50
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On 2007-10-05 23:21, Magox wrote:
Just remember, the religions have good intentions, and they are good guidelines to live by. It is the people that taint it!!
...and that´s why they need money?
People has their own minds and will, IMO, you shall not ruin your life by acting in a certain way based upon characters that has no acctual proof of existence. There are many stories about how the world was created and who or what did it and they are all just theory´s IMO.
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Posted : Oct 6, 2007 08:45
Jesus Christ gave an example with His life,and He didnt do His teachings to create any other new religion.Religions are made from priests who want to control the mass,to have power and make money,ok all these are known from all,and also
Priests always exploit the name and the wishdom of their masters.
Psychedelic scene is an open minded organization wich includes all religions,and thats why because u can find people from all different countries of diff traditional religions united as one big universal family who makes a synthesys of all in one,gathered with love peace and unity.
We dont have to seperate anything with signs like ,christianity ,budhism,hinduism...
Every master,every guru,deva...all those wonderfull wise manifestetions of God came to represent Him in different periods and different places,according to the needs of each different occasion.
People are different from place to place around world,the mental state of people who live in each land also different,the circumstances of each period and people's undrstandings also different,and the needs of each one of them also different.
God have a plan and He sends His favourite persons to guide the world,saints who represent His word.
Jesus Christ was a master shaman,and thats because He control the four elements of nature,jesus dancing with the wishpering sounds of nature,He dance with the wind to stop blow,and dance up on the water,He was all the time in trance
and connecting sides of
the mortal with the imortal worlds..
.He healed thousands or even milions of people,and also saved(as He did with
me once in the most difficult period of my life after thousands of prayers)
A Psychedelic artist/dj or simple listener
dances with the wind water and fire with sounds
and heals himself and others around,just the same that Jesus taught.
When I listen to a perfect psy track,the artist is
he Christ who heal my psyche and help me to dance through trancedence ritual steps with nature around me,or even bring nature inside my room as I dance alone.
A shaman Christ dj who helped me to express positive feelings and step aside ego for moment ,just to enjoy love with bro/sis that I dont even know and dance with them.
The different between Jesus Christ and a simple Christ dj is the level of spirit,Jesus have obvious the highest level,and we all other we just try to reach it one day.
But its a good start to love all without specia reason and share our emotions with anything.
As for sex here is the dificult thing.
All those masters like Jesus,Bhudha..taught how to control sensetions,that means that we also should control sex,but how to control it when I am full in acid or any other substance?
No way,and thats why we loose our sences and loose of control,loose of sexual energy..
Sexual energy should be transmuted to spiritual energy,any time we loose the material white milky substance we fall to materiality..
Everybody do his/her choices,so if religion says no to sex then why?
Everyone have to search and find out why not?
Maybe there is a way wich passes through the divine forces straight ahead from sex,but what kind of sex?
Someone who claims to be spiritual then needs do sex by the spiritual way,otherwise sex leads to materiality...
Anyway life is for searching the mysteries of creation,
chedelic trance is a music that increases the sense to learn about the mysteries of life and works as a tool to pass through other dimensions and discover the hidden areas of the mind.
When we dance on the same stage with thousand dancers around we BORN our new self,we discover our our inner christic forces,we CRICIFIE our selves for others when we just love them without even known them,we DIE for psychedelia and kill ego while we prepare our souls for the final RESURACTION as we live peacefully and suicide or material life for spiritual growth.
~~~~~~~namaskar~~~~~~~~~
After the End,a new Begining startS..
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Posted : Oct 6, 2007 11:29
So does that mean if we were to start a thread discussing the separation of church and state in Israel, the moderators would only lock half the thread?
hrrhrrr u jus twisted the words...!
this thread might turn into a religion bashing one!
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Posted : Oct 6, 2007 12:32
Christianity in absence of Christ is nothing but Insanity
When death comes to your doorstep, make sure you are alive
...and makes us pay the fucking church each year.. (Wich I don´t do coz´I have signed out but many don´t know that you can do this and get an extra 100Euro every year) 
