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Datakult
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i beleve in smurfs my religion is papasmurf leader of the world
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cascade
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Posted : Oct 1, 2007 21:49
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A huge thanks for paying attention!
Really true everything every one of you says here!
But HERE is the big trick for me.
What's the REAL essense of the Christian values?
What's the TRUE SPIRIT?
THIS is what i'm trying to say here.
What happened IN THE NAME OF GOD is something else. (TRICKY) |
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Anak
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Posted : Oct 1, 2007 21:51
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On 2007-10-01 21:49, cascade wrote:
A huge thanks for paying attention!
Really true everything every one of you says here!
But HERE is the big trick for me.
What's the REAL essense of the Christian values?
What's the TRUE SPIRIT?
THIS is what i'm trying to say here.
What happened IN THE NAME OF GOD is something else. (TRICKY)
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it is what it is for you!
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virava
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Posted : Oct 2, 2007 01:57
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christianity is not one thing but many, as it has been repeatatively re-formed through the years and many writings are secret/hidden till today..
if for you christianity is peace love unity and respect you can say that this music and christianity have about the same basic beliefs.
but for me any music is to pleasure us...and any religion is to get some beliefs if you have lack of.
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cascade
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Posted : Oct 2, 2007 07:49
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The Psychedelic Trance experience IS a Religious experience
Meditating while on psychedelic music is:
1) a Psychotherapy procedure
2) a trip to the Inner world of thoughts and emotions
3) a transcendence to other dimensions
In today's music it is seen by all of us that night trance sounds the same.
Maybe this is part of the synchro-communal experience we are all heading to..."the transcedental object at the turn of the century" as Terence Mackeena calls it, and it really works for a Psychedelic trance trip.
If it is negativity we need to exorcise, then let it be done!
But we first have to approve that there is some negativity in us...and of course not generate any more...
I really hope all these promoting info texts and the titles of certain songs and the covers of some albums are something more than promotional tricks. (actually i can't believe it, not from people of this scene)
((If they are just that though, I would recommend (without any style of preaching here) that these people should have some Psychedelic education apart from creating music, which is really nice. (although i 'm quite sure thay have. Still maybe returning to the sources , every now and then, is nothing but pleasurable. And I mean the real, good sources))
Having seen this in the metal scene, (which sometimes led to very very sad things) I don't want to see it here, really. It would be like a bad spirit that penetrates into people through music. (which is not, everything comes from our own selves)
I know that many of you believe that: " OK man relax, it's just a cover or a title, it has nothing to do with music and all, these people aren't bad..."
so WHY are they doing it?
Why are they using "bad" concepts at all?
As far as I can remember myself in this scene, (coming from a litereally dark musical past, like many of you also claim) I learned that Psychedelic trance was about:
1) transformation
2) transcendence
3) catharsis
I also remember reading, thinking and then witnesing that:
NEGATIVE thoughts create NEGATIVE thought forms, which create NEGATIVE feelings which all lead to very NEGATIVE situations...
So I thought it was all about changing this to POSITIVE, POSITIVE, POSITIVE, POSITIVE
( how really thin this line is )
Now if some people have wild thoughts within them and want to express it through music it is ok, but you know what?
I don't see anything really "dark" in the music, apart from the cover or the advertising text or a a couple of titles...
Do they still like such atmospheres (as they probably did in their heavy metal days?)
I can't really believe that.
Maybe it is this karmic revelationary nature of things nowadays that brings old metal heads to really face their own past, getting over it and moving ahead...really ahead.
I mean lets' face it: Psychedelic Trance is a tool for transformation. With Goa it was mostly open minded happy pop, punk, electro people who got into it and then left the scene...Today it is mostly old rockers/metal heads who are in this scene ....
For me, it was in this psychedelic world that I started realising what was happening to me all the previous years.
Now I feel obliged (to say the least) to witness my truth to you people.
A truth:
1) which was born from this scene and its people
2) which showed me an other way to life and probably after life
3) which is really alive, eternally
This is the truth of the Psychedelic experience
So, it is my belief that this truth is really sacred and not anything else
You can call it shamanic, entheogenic, psychotropic or just psychedelic
And I can even relate it to...Religion, which is nothing more than:
1) trying to see your soul
2) clean it
3) open it up to new worlds
or in other words: a Psychedelic experience. |
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mk47
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Posted : Oct 2, 2007 08:50
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maan .. u lot take drugs , parties and dance music way too serious than is good for u ..
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pixie satinka
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Posted : Oct 2, 2007 12:22
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 Interesting thread.
Referring to some of the posts in this thread, regarding the dominating side of Christianity I will agree that in the past and even today people are using religion to satisfy their own personal needs.
This is the case with all religions. See Osama using Jihad as an excuse to kill so many innocents.
But at the end of the day we all know that there was a man called Jesus. Now whether we choose to follow his principles or not is upto us. He was a clean-hearted, simple , no issues no hang ups guy. I like his philosophy, I like what he had to say so I call myself a Christian. Because I do practise most of what he said. I don't agree to everything the Christian faith calls us to do only because I feel some of it is not relevant to the kind of lifestyle we lead today.
But on the topic of the relationship between the two. There is none. There is no connection with Christianity and Psychedelics. Don't even begin to make one you'll only be fooling yourselves. The one reason why people who are in the scene may not want to asscociate themselves with Christianity is because the Bible condemns any kind of self-inflicted harm we may cause to our body. And this does not sit right with those of us who would like to experience hallucinations and heightened senses as a consequent use of substances. This was the case with me, only speaking from personal experience, not trying to preach.
I agree with mk47, don't get so lost in this so called psychedelic experience. There are more things to life.
Hope you find your answers. Honestly no one will really be able to answer this question without giving you a dose of their own subjective opinions, like I did. Your best bet is going and researching yourself.
I feel this thread should be close.
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panorama
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Posted : Oct 2, 2007 13:58
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Around the time that christ was alive - there were probably 50 or 60 other guys walking around Jerusalem claiming that they too, were the son of god.
This is actually documented fact, messaihs were not at all uncommen in those day, I suppose much as they are now too (observe all the cult followings)
Jesus only got nailed because he was interfering with the money lenders - banks, people in power.
When he got crucified, I am sure he never thought for a moment that some world religion would sprout from his ideas. (and I am sure he wouldn't even recognize it either)
The other guys didnt get there names remembered so much, if at all..but there are documents partaining to them if one searches for them.
People who lived 2000+ years ago also had the mentality and grasp of science and nature that maybe a 15 year old does today - so the things they saw and believed were amazing, wonderous...miracles!
I wonder though - what is this question? Are you trying to Spread The Word? are you thinking maybe bible psy parties?
Dance music is fun, Parties are for dancing, parties are for partying - lets leave the ecclisiastical shit at the rectory
Trance is the answer
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panorama
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Posted : Oct 2, 2007 14:30
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Anyway, I saw Jesus at a psy party in Australia once, dancing away, having a great old time. He even kicked of his sandels and danced barefoot in the mud.
Trance is the answer
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Gopendragon
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Posted : Oct 2, 2007 16:30
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On 2007-10-01 21:49, cascade wrote:
A huge thanks for paying attention!
Really true everything every one of you says here!
But HERE is the big trick for me.
What's the REAL essense of the Christian values?
What's the TRUE SPIRIT?
THIS is what i'm trying to say here.
What happened IN THE NAME OF GOD is something else. (TRICKY)
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The essence have three basic points:
1 born
2 crusifixion/sacrifice
3 death/resuratcion
that means born of new self,awake christic fire,find inner self
Then crucifie and sacrifice self for u and and others sins,up on ur own inner cross with all of the strength of ur soul
And then die for for life,to resurect the soul after death..
All symbolic,everything happens internally inside our own inner world,christichize our self.
Everything is connect in psychedelic,all in collective conciousnes,everything matters and have a special role in this cosmic theatre we live..
We just observe and follow the rules,love fro all beings and everything in existance,and learn by living in each second of life AWAKEN..
i dont have time for more now,
Bravo cascade  ur in a good path,keep it and we discuss at pm bro!
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psy-rat
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Posted : Oct 2, 2007 17:16
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On 2007-10-02 07:49, cascade wrote:
The Psychedelic Trance experience IS a Religious experience
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If it is negativity we need to exorcise, then let it be done!
...
But we first have to approve that there is some negativity in us...and of course not generate any more...
...
I really hope all these promoting info texts and the titles of certain songs and the covers of some albums are something more than promotional tricks. (actually i can't believe it, not from people of this scene)
...
... that these people should have some Psychedelic education apart from creating music, which is really nice. (although i 'm quite sure thay have. Still maybe returning to the sources , every now and then, is nothing but pleasurable. And I mean the real, good sources))
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A truth:
1) which was born from this scene and its people
2) which showed me an other way to life and probably after life
3) which is really alive, eternally
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This is the truth of the Psychedelic experience
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There is something oddly Utopian about you mate, and I guess it's all around you too. Do not take this personally but psychedelic experience needs no leaders, no borders, no limits. Our religion is our music, our own way of thought !! And remember : "Nothing is real, everything is allowed in this Universe.."
".. You claim that this thing .. did not affect the larger part of your brain!! Then, how come everyone else describe you as an Extra fu.. terrestrial !!!
zzzzzzzzzzzzaaaaaaaannnng..."
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headyatail2000
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Posted : Oct 2, 2007 21:31
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well, i think it's ok to have interest in both (psy/your religion...)
dun jus mix philosophy/spiritualism/psychedelics/music...and say..woooh i achieved nirvana...! (in short , try not 2 have a herd mentality)
break it down first and take one thing at a time...
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AN8RWPOS
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Posted : Oct 2, 2007 21:59
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Magox
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Posted : Oct 2, 2007 23:29
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I don't see anything wrong with the original idea of religions. What makes religions tainted is the people that worship it. We as people are imperfect and have many selfish desires, and when people speak on behalf of a specific religion, many times their own desires and needs come first instead of the original message of the religion.
If you look at the philosophies of many religions, they are beautiful and can be a very good guideline of how to live in a more selfless and compassionate manner. But it is the people that make up the religion that causes all the confusion and disdain and we have a way of contaminating things and that's what turns off many people from religions, which is sad and unfortunate.
The movement of psychedelic music does include some of the same compassionate philosophies as religions do. Just look at many of the festivals that are out there, usually when people attend these gatherings, they try to bring out the best in themselves, and a lot of times try to take a bit and piece of that with them into their real life. And i think that is a fantastic start!!
so i can see the connection and tie between the two, in that aspect.
Religion is a set of beliefs that concerns the cause and purpose of the universe usually involving devotional and ritual observances, and often contains a moral code that helps govern the conduct of us humans.
The psychedelic scene is known to express and communicate some of the same beliefs. Peace, love, unity and respect, this is one of the popular catch phrases of the scene, and i believe it is fantastic phrase, just that many of us throw this phrase around very lightly and like to just say it, but not necessarily practice it. Which is unfortunate, because many of the naysayers and cynics love to criticize any one who preaches this way of living.
I'm not saying that i want to hear someone talk about god or religion when i'm listening to some Killargggh or groovy tunes, or when i have had a few substances in my body and all i want to do is just fly. What i am saying is that there are some similar philosophies in religions and the general attitude of psychedelic gatherings.
"On the path of spirituality, one ventures to vanquish ones own faults rather than to judge others" |
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