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abraham316
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Posted : Oct 3, 2007 02:01
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I think that Jesus is not religion, for me it is not a religion, i like a lot the psy, i believe in God (Elohim) and believe that Jesus Saved me and that doesn't means that i will or need to have a religious attitude, each christian is a different mind, there are christians that are very twisted in their minds and fanatics that want to slave the people with their dumbs laws and all that..
I think that with the help of psychedelic music we can spread a positive or negative message, i dont support what the catholics did in the inquisition age that killed so many people, so i dont like religions, i like to follow Jesus and just Love him.
Peace!
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Colin OOOD
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Posted : Oct 3, 2007 02:37
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Just for general information,Jesus Christ just like William Shakespeare probably never ever existed but thats another story.
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headyatail2000
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Posted : Oct 3, 2007 03:46
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Colin OOOD
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Posted : Oct 3, 2007 03:59
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xrust
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Posted : Oct 3, 2007 04:40
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the son of a ghost that had good public relationships???
come on baby lets smell the flower,ohhh yeah 
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cascade
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Posted : Oct 3, 2007 06:58
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thank you for your very nice (mostly true) words, it seems like i'm in a period of intense analysis of some things...appreciate it. |
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Aida Noridania
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Posted : Oct 3, 2007 08:32
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cool topic gonna post tomorrow on it cascade but i am a bit too tired to answer right now, but i do follow your point pretty well...
i know of an author that made the same comparison years ago between religion and rock concerts...
a short intro of his idea:
he compared the impact of song lyrics and their messages to the crowd as how in time the priest spoke "the word of God" to a crowd, and that the "working on itself was the same, though the message and intention was different...
now that's for the big stars
i think in the psyscene it is a bit different...
but i see your point of comparison somehow...
first of all the way religion is practised has as many aspects as there are people practising it, like that you got fundamentalist christians who would surely doom psytrance as being of the deviol  but on the other hand you got very open minded christians who just would say "you do it differently but yet somehow go for the same goal: to love your neighbour...
however imho there is a "difference" there is no real "God" like with religion, rather real acceptance of each other (at least that was the basic idea)
there is a psychedelic experience too by reaching trance inducedc by the music (and therefore not induced by drugs)
the christians with visions practised the same techniques just by using other means... it's a bit like comparing movement based meditation (tai chi for example) with the buddhist monk that sits for hours in a lotus position while doing a mudra...
both reach clarity of the mind and reach emptyness of the mind through this excercise...
so yea in some way you could draw a connection albeit very thin and only for a small portion of people practising christianity
as christianity in the ages abused their power and the belief of people and that first abuse still needs to come in the trancescene, i doubt it ever will come
but in some way the DJ/artist is somehow also with his music "giving a message albeit that it's the listener that fills it in for himself according to his/her beliefs...
i think that's the big difference...
anyway gonna go further on that tomorrow as i need my bed 
no situation is stronger then a heart that dares to love
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AN8RWPOS
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Posted : Oct 3, 2007 16:54
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Important Note :
Psychedelia = Psyche + Delos
Psyche = Soul, Spirit, ...
Delos = to become clear or visible
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it's ON !!
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ZenMind
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Posted : Oct 3, 2007 18:30
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Yin and Yang my friend light and Darkness are the same thing but in different ends of the line.
Religion is only a tool for the wise and a pit for the common man - now go make some good psychedelic music, maybe you will stumble on enlighnement
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trancedance
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Posted : Oct 3, 2007 21:23
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my friend cascade please don't hear anyone here telling you that christianity is only a state or Jesus never existed or any bullshit
And please don't bother Christianity with psychedelia
Christianity is love as his leader IS (not was). It's the ONLY true way of life that leads to God
Psychedelia is only a philosophy (if i can call it that) among millions that simply can't change the world.
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Hear to your beautiful music
Go to the beautiful parties
Share music and ideas with your psy friends BUT
remember
that God is your Creator and ONLY him you should love with all your heart and soul
Peace to all
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vector_0
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Posted : Oct 3, 2007 21:52
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On 2007-10-01 13:25, cascade wrote:
Hello everyone!
Can you pelase reply to this topic?
i'm a bit confused here.
i don't get some things.
WHY does everyone who claims to want love, happiness and spirit is more or less against Christianity and the Bible?
If we live in the APOCALYPSE days, why does everyone is against religion?
Why does Psychedelic culture differentiates itself form Christianity?
I FEEL these things are the same, don't you?
Why does psy today moves into the darkness to find the light and doesn't walk in the light?
spirit of the mushroom
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I'm with you 100% man. The first time Jesus Christ came to me was in a really deep & heavy candy flip. He told me not to be afraid, and then showed me how everything is one thing...more specifically, he showed me that people and ideas that I had perceived as my enemies were no more than extensions of myself. Therefore, if i hated those people, I hated myself. He recalled a verse from the bible about the nature of god: "He is the one who is called 'I AM'" and this is the funniest riddle, because we all refer to ourselves as "I am [name]" so don't you see? You and I are God
He explained to me that he is the representation of all human consciousness housed in one body; but since he inhabits the realm of human consciousness, he is in all of us. All you need to do is call upon him, and he'll be there -- "Christ Consciousness" though I've found his voice is far more pronounced when under the influence of psychedelics.
I have had other experiences with jesus on psychedelics, but i don't have the time to write them all out now. One notable thing, however, is that he told me there are things that he can't teach me and if you want to know those secrets, you must smoke DMT!
haha, oh, jesus....what a trickster! one of the greatest shaman ever, IMO.
I'll close with one of jesus's sayings from the gospel of Thomas (which will put him in a totally different light for many)
"10. Jesus said, "I have cast fire upon the world, and look, I'm guarding it until it blazes." |
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cascade
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Posted : Oct 4, 2007 07:23
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cascade
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Posted : Oct 4, 2007 07:25
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cascade
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Posted : Oct 4, 2007 08:55
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Psychedelic means: -manifestation of the soul or more simply -expression of the soul- (although in the second case, what "an8ropos" wrote before sounds better: " soul or spirit becoming clear or visible")
Now, that means that such an experience shows the condition of the soul. (both current and original I believe) However, when visions appear, the whole thing must become more complicated.
People claim to have seen or spoken to mythical, historical, divine or other entities.
The question is: how do we know that this is real and not a manifestation of a fantasy lying in the subconscious mind?
(On the other hand, if we consider what psychedelic really means, all psychedelic experiences have to do with the soul and not the mind. (which is not true)
Are mind and soul interconnected or the same?)
I suppose, as not having witnessed such phenomena during a psychedelic experience, that the one who sees it, believes it as well.(or the one who believes it sees it as well?? ) Is it really real though? Is it sth. coming from the mind or the soul / spirit which exists in us all and it becomes more easily experinced in altered states?
I know this is becoming more complex now, and I'm sure an answer isn't easy at all. (Maybe some Psychedelic literature would help)
This could also be seen, as the "eternal questionmark" of Psychedelia. (especially in the modern world)
Are these experiences true or just fantasies?
Are "hippies" (new and old) people who try to find the light and make the world a better place or just a bunch of people who want to have a good "material / flesh" time and so the exact opposite of spituality. (which they claim to be after)
Maybe it's both you know.
One thing is sure for me.
Psychedelia makes you a better person, if you listen to it. (respect it maybe? One of the best quotes I've read on psychedelia, is by Allan Watts : "Once you get the message, hang up the phone " )
And I'm sure that people in this scene CAN change the world. To tell you the truth , they have already done it. And it's not because they only wanted to do it but because that was the plan written in the history files. These people just played their part in it.
A better world is seen all around us today. Things CHANGE. (it's funny we say this so often but personally speaking, change is a something far more grant than I can ever imagine, because you never know what it REALLY brings, can you?)
Today you can even listen to "ambient" or "trancy" sounds in a supermarket. (just a "cheap" example) I think the world is becoming psychedelic and the future may be really amazing. Let's just hope we are going to be able to witness it. (and of course play our role as best as we can)
Sometimes we use the term psychedelic as sth really important. (and it is) But it's not any different from saying human experience, all about feelings and expression. Humans ARE psychedelic beings. We have just forgotten to do it properly and now the time has come to go back to our selves. (according to the law)
This is why "psychedelic" generates feelings of awe and mystery to many, it's just an alien condition because we have become aliens to our real selves, as some intelligent people say)
Religion is the same thing more or less, it makes you become more humble, and thus, open your inner heart, show you inner- “clean” feelings , psychedelise!
These are just personal or actually communal thoughts derived from the amazing world of psychedelia, our world, everyone's world. Not an intention of preaching here.
Have a good day,
Communicate with nature, our own self. (hopefully)
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