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Prejudice against Psychadelics
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___Sick_Boy
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Posted : Oct 29, 2001 15:09:24
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Modern industrial civilization has very skillfully promoted certain drugs and supressed others. A perfect example is caffeine. Caffeine is a fairly dangerous drug. It isn't dangerous in that a cup of coffee will kill you, but a lifestyle built around caffeine is going to. you're not going to live to be a hundred years old, or even seventy, unless you are statistically in the improbably group. Why is caffeine not only tolerated but exalted? Because, boy, you can keep working just endlessly without a thought on your mind. It is *the* perfect drug for modern industrial manufacturing. Why do you think caffeine, a dangerous, health destroying, destructive drug, that has to be brought from the ends of the earth, is enshrined in every labor contract in the Western world as a right? The coffee break; if somebody tried to take away the coffee break, you know, the masses would rise in righteous fury and pull them down. We don't have a beer break. We don't have a jaras break. I mean, if you suggested, 'Well, we don't want a coffee break. We want to be a ble to smoke a joint at eleven,' they would say, 'Well, you're just some kind of -- you're a social degenerate, a troublemaker, a mad dog, a criminal. And yet, the cost health benefit of those two drugs, there's no comparison. Obviously, marijuana would be the better choice. The problem is, then you're going to be standing there dreaming, rather than spinning the widgets onto the nuts. Coca leaves would be very good. I suspect in the near future we may see the legalization of coca as a sop to the mentality that wishes to see cocaine... a coca chewing gum. Coca would be great, and certainly in the Amazon, if you're a petrone, you encourage your workers to chew coca. I mean, they're worthless without coca. Give them coca and put a machete in their hands and they will just flail for hours at the bush.
Now, let's think about sugar for a moment. Nobody needs sugar. You can go from birth to the grave without ever having a teaspoon full of white sugar. You will never miss it. Throughout the Middle Ages, sugar was a drug, a medicine. It was used to pack wounds, to keep wounds septic. And it was very expensive and there was very little of it. Well, when you extract sugar from sugar cane, it requires, in pre-modern technology, a temperature of about 130 degrees. You cannot -- free men will not work sugar. It's too unpleasant. You faint, you die from heat prostration. You have to take prisoners or slaves and you have to chain them to the sugar vats. And so, with the discovery of America, they began growing sugar cane in the east Atlantic islands, and the carribeans. And they brought Africans, and sold them into slavery specifically for sugar production.
psychedelics have another quality which is, they are the source of special information. And these hierarchies want to control the information. So I think that's another issue, that the psychedelics empower, with gnosis, true information. And every society is based on a lie of some sort. So having people going around the official lie and getting in touch with reality turns them into social dissidents. And you have to control that. I mean, that was exactly what happened in the 1960's in America. What happened was, too many people were getting stoned, and then checking out of the official canon of the culture. And people just said, you know, 'You can take that job and shove it.' And this was very alarming. Now every society can tolerate a certain amount of this. You always have people who just aren't playing the game. But what happening in the 1960's was that LSD entered the picture, and LSD is different from all other psychedelics in one tremendously important quality, and that is: A single skilled chemist, in a small apartment, with about $40,000 worth of equipment, in a single long weekend, can produce forty to sixty million hits of a drug. Forty to sixty *million* hits! This is a loaded gun at the head of society.
Soceity decides to promote or denounce drugs which go along or intefere with its flow, not neccesarily cause they are "good" or "bad" for you. think about it. |
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___kaz
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Posted : Oct 29, 2001 15:22:32
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Asking to legalize psychedelics is too much. I think that law is to save the people who can't handle it and want to try....
because like all drugs, psychedelics affect the brain, only in a more obvious and powerful way than other drugs, and some people should just NOT touch stuff like 2c-b, LSD, mushrooms, salvia or dmt.
I think the laws are there because they started out to protect society from the darker sides of these drugs, which shouldn't be ignored.
of course, if you are a mature person, and want to try psychedelics to expand your ideas of reality and you're intelligent enough to choose a certain drug after you know all of it's ups and downs, and you are willing enough to break the law (even though you'll probably never be caught)to use it, then that's every single person's choice.
Seeing the laws as prejudice, well, that's right, unless you've seen people who can't handle LSD take too much and freak out (or much worse with salvia for instance)...
Psychedelics are very powerful substances, and they should be, as defined by the US law "controlled substances"... but I do believe, like you, that psychedelics are demonized, and that the police should work more on arresting people who deal heroin, opium, extasy or other euphorics (euphorics are well known to be psychologically addictive), and not pick on the person who tries the psychedelics out of his own free choice (since the addictivness of psychedelics is EXTREMELY low).
Seeing only one side in an issue this complex is a bit foolhardy. |
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___GuyShanti
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Posted : Oct 29, 2001 15:31:01
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On my coffee brake i was thinking how nice it would be to be smoking a reefa but then i would'nt come back from my brake...
VEMI YAVI OCHEL LAYELADIM?
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___Sick_Boy
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Posted : Oct 29, 2001 15:35:36
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Asaf, I beg to differ. I don't think im seeing only one side of this issue. although i only argued one side, way back in high-school i learned: "The government which governs least, governs best!" - Thomas Jefferson-1796. I really dont buy the "mother goose" theory of a government which is out to look out after its misbehaving children and protecting us from ourselves. take a look at our world leaders now and in the past. all the governments ever do is look out for themeselves. proven facts... |
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___starjoker
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Posted : Oct 29, 2001 15:37:45
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i dont believe that u can work reguelar after grass break. u stone, u tire and u not in fokus. and after cofee break u feel much better. can u work after liter of beer? yeas, if your work not so smart and intelligant.
and about laws - look, the first thing i believe (and hoffman said it himself) is that 5-6 times in your life that u take lsd its enough for changhe your mind forever and after it is just not functionally... try/do it, get the point and let it outside your life.. this is perfect (imo)way of this.. |
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___starjoker
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Posted : Oct 29, 2001 15:39:18
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i dont believe that u can work reguelar after grass break. u stone, u tire and u not in fokus. and after cofee break u feel much better. can u work after liter of beer? yeas, if your work not so smart and intelligant.
and about laws - look, the first thing i believe (and hoffman said it himself) is that 5-6 times in your life that u take lsd its enough for changhe your mind forever and after it is just not functionally... try/do it, get the point and let it outside your life.. this is perfect (imo)way of this.. |
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___Banzi
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Posted : Oct 29, 2001 15:45:48
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[quote]"The government which governs least, governs best!" - Thomas Jefferson-1796[/quote]
are you sure? here in israel?? if you give freedom to the ppl in this country i'm not so sure things will get better...
about drugs- light drugs should be legalized (imo), but psychedelics shouldn't.. from the exact reason asaf mentioned...
and i also agree with eli- grass at your break? not very good... but that depends on what you work.. ;)
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___kaz
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Posted : Oct 29, 2001 15:48:17
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Think about a movie critic... won't he give better reviews and be nicer to the movies if he smoked pot all day? ;) |
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___ChillCrew
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Posted : Oct 29, 2001 16:08:44
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if he did, all the movies he'd review would be great. :-) |
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___Cyber_Punk
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Posted : Oct 29, 2001 16:39:53
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I want to add my 2 cents..
Some of you wrote that psychedelics should not be legalized because of their danger to some people...
But what about cigarettes and alcohol ?
The first one is the most addictive drug and the second is taking thousands of human lifes each year (and the nicotine too). But these are legalized....
WHY ??? |
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___Sick_Boy
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Posted : Oct 29, 2001 16:49:56
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CyberPunk, right on! this is exactly what im saying, tobacco for example is so strong politically that the tobacco industry funds the presidential candidates, both democrates and republicans, so that later it is tougher for the elected president to approve laws and legislation against it. same thing with gasoline... that is we have the ability to mass produce electrical cars, but again, the petrolium (oil) industry will never let that happen as long as oil is still present. All im saying is with capitalism the best idea is not neccesarily the one that carried out. instead, the most cost effective and money making ideas pass. down with GLOBALIZATION and greed. |
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___mascalita
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Posted : Oct 29, 2001 16:57:39
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and what about cars or knives? they r also very dangerous in the hand of some people. but they r legal.
and gadi, did u take all this from 'food of the gods"? |
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___starjoker
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Posted : Oct 29, 2001 20:27:37
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dear cyber punk - NOBODY GET CRAZY coze tabacc, and becoze lsd ppl get. my best friend get crazy (yea-yea ABARBANEL)... !!!!! fuck, stop all this stupid (sorry) things. no legal drugs in country that have war day by day. |
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___Alpharhthym
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Posted : Oct 29, 2001 20:43:52
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I think that if psychedelics such as LSD or DMT were legalised there would have to be some kind of conrtol on them. By this I mean that just like in Amsterdam where you can go and have a spliff in a coffee shop you could go and trip in a place that had been designed for buying and taking psychedelics. This way you wouldn't have loads of people off their face on acid wondering the streets causing bloody mayhem!! It's for their own safety really. As someone was saying above, you couldn't have legalised psychedelics in coutries that are at war either - I don't think any explanation is needed there. I reckon it would be great if you could go somewhere to buy a range of different types and strength psychedelics and then enjoy them in a really well designed psychedelic cafe and enjoy them with people who want to do the same. |
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___Psychadelo
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Posted : Oct 29, 2001 21:13:02
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Wow , really nice idiea Bob . i support your idiea to make a place you can trip , without hurting other ppl . but then again , you can go crazy just for taking it .
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