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*** POLICE BRUTALITY CAUSED DEATH ON MUSIC FESTIVAL CZECHTEK***
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DETOX
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Posted : Aug 2, 2005 15:53
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Just like i said in my first post i dont have an opinion about all these incidents because i wasnt there and because i knew from the beggining that the original post by Kemical had many false info in it.
For example it was mentioned that police didnt have tags and ID numbers with them but Traveller proved that this info was wrong by posting pictures showing clearly that the police forces had their numbers written on their helmets.
I suggest to all people to not reach conclusions easily and wait for more information to come in public before reaching a verdict.
Police is doing their job you know and they are not all the time wrong like some people like to think.
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Technognome
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Posted : Aug 2, 2005 16:00
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Detox I think you might find those are helmet numbers not officer id numbers?
Certaily they are different from the id tag this officer is wearing http://www.techno.cz/party/report/2005/0730czechtek_t-rex/czechtek05.b%20171.jpg
Many of the officers in other photo's are not wearing this style of ID.
Leads me to suspect the numbers on the helmets are temporary assigned to officers and I'm willing to place a small wager of the likelyhood of the records of those assignments going 'missing'
PHLUR 
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Posted : Aug 2, 2005 16:06
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I like to repeat my question.
Who was killed? I haven't seen any article about anyone killed. maybe I just did not read it well enough? So if no one was killed why use that as a "Eyecatcher" in the headline of this topic?
And those numbers on the Police uniforms are indeed ID tags. I send the picture to my uncle who used to be a international Police teacher. He said it's indeed an ID tag ona combat uniform.
Now the whole incident should never have happened but I do tend to agree with a few here. The normal Police man follow orders. Just like a Soldier (example could be a Israeli soldier shooting on people that protest or an American soldier killing a inncent woman in Iraq).
The point is the normal Police man got nothing to say. He get his orders from above. From the Chief of Police and the Politicians. So blame them. Not the normal Police man. I can assure you that many Police men there did not think it was fun to have to be tough on people.
And also think about this. We tend to react and symphatise with those we are in a "group" with. here it's people like you and me. Our "brothers and sisters". But if we step back a moment and look at things from another perspective then things might look different.
Did they have a lot of drugs there? Dealers there too?
- I would say it's very very possible.
Did they get upset because the Police told them to break up and leave the place?
- Maybe maybe not. But it's for sure possible and many injured Police men could be an evidence to that. One thing is sure. Some must have been fighting with the police for the police to have so many injured. So not all are so innocent.
Now again it's not all Black and white even though we symphatise with our "brothers and sisters". One thing's for sure.. We can change things by looking at ourself and our scene instead of blaming the Authorities for everything every time there's trouble. A good start would be to clean out all the drugdealers (normal people, organisers, artists and label people) and start to promote a scene that's more clean instead of a bunch of washed out drugsusers.
After all I would like to think that our scene is about the music and NOT the drugs. |
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wandering soundwave
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Posted : Aug 2, 2005 16:49
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oh god !!!
did not ever think this could happen man...
too much !!
peace
love n' light
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Posted : Aug 2, 2005 16:50
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Hmm... based on info provided here it is hard to find any conclusion. However, I checked Finnish news and according to that there were more policemen injured than partiers and it also said that many partiers were drunk, from my own experience I can tell that many people who drink alcohol turn to aggressive, then if you add speed or kola or basicly any chemical into the soup the result can be very ugly. It takes only a few aggressive partiers to paint them all black. My "conclusion" is that probably police was provoked to act like this, but it doesn't justify this kind of use of force. I didn't hear anyone getting killed. On the other hand probably it is also true that many partiers didn't seek help from authorities with thei injuries so they are not registered as injured and every single police is definetly being registered. Let's listen to news and I would like to hear a comment from someone who actually went there.
And Slyman604, why this thread should be locked, this kind of incidents might have long term effect on whole scene to a direction or another and it is important to find out what is the truth about all this. Who provoked who and why? If something ugly like this happens it shouldn't be buried, we should learn from it and try to prevent it from happening in the future. |
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Cymoon
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Posted : Aug 2, 2005 16:56
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you want to peacefully leave the place. And when you ask some police guy, where is the point where you can leave the place and go home, the answer is: "Shut the fuck up you motherfucker" and you get kicked into your face...
or some guys wanted to leave the place, but the driver was a bit drunk. So they asked the police, what should they do. They replied, just go downstairs to the road and wait there. Ok, they did it. Suddenly police broke up the car window and threw a gas bomb in it. When they left the car, they were beaten. Their car start to burn....
2 of my friends were beaten hard by 6 police guys on their way to their car, they wanted to go home...
situations like this happened
thats also why the people here are angry. If they beat just the aggressive guys, OK, for sure they were there. But they beat everyone just simply for nothing, even you want to leave the place
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Posted : Aug 2, 2005 16:57
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Techno fans are not dancing children, but dangerous people.
An Article appeared today in Folk News (Lidove Noviny) written by Czech Prime Minister as a defense of himself and the police attacks of Czechtek 2005. We translated the major part of it just for the sake of fun what this guy believes and writes. Spread it! Source: Lidove Noviny
If Mr.Redactor Kubita of LN (Folk's News)charges me for the alleged massacre done by riot police against dancing and singing children, then i can't but doubt his goodwill to objectively judge the situation.
There are bitter experiences all over Europe with the hard core of initiaters of technoparties These are no dancing children. We should call things by their right name, because they are international, and also in our country politologically, sociologicaly, with the help of police and journalists well documented. This core is build from people with dangerous anarchist's thrives and they are internationally connected. They provoke massive demonstrations against the peacefull society, started with alcohol and drugs . The logic of these violent persons is similar to the system of organizing their parties.
Through Internet and mobile networks they inform themselves so that the domestic and foreign groups, crossing the country in big vehicles, get to know about the secret place in the moment when they are ready to be fast there.
All that happens in such a way that, hour after hour thousands come and the police forces cannot stop them. Of course, all of this is covered in a flavour of romantic adventure and musical celebration, which manages to get thousands of novices which want to try it.
We already know what happens next: this is no music celebration, but seems more simillar to risky adrenaline activities, which in combination with alcohol and drugs can cause dangerous situations for their surroundings, including thousands of youngsters which come with the best will to celebrate. Lets add also: terrorizing of the population with sound, dirt and all other torments and that in all of neighbouring towns, through which the caravans pass, not to speak about the towns in immediate proximity.
Its neccesary to await destruction of the natural enviroment and elementary hygiene, with risk of spreading AIDS, jaundice, salmonel, etc. until all places are infested with trash. There are tons and tons of such experiences in our towns.
It is really true that our citizens have no right to sleep, raise their children and a right for safety? Thats why in all the western-european countries the police attacked uncompromisingly and very hard these wild parties and pushed them out of their land. In France, England and else a uncompromising legislature was approved against every not-announced music event defining strict rules for loudness, hygiene, etc. which the organizers have to fullfil.
Thats why the technoparties started to move to us and in the last years our police was too tolerant and couldn't stop them. After all the hard days, that the neighborhood had to go through, oposition dramatized all of this against the police and the consequences have been felt for the rest of the year.
But this time it is the first time we managed to interrupt this wild party. Of course we were also paying the price of public and private damages (just in the area of Primda the damages are estimated to over 600 thousands Czk) and the price for a series of injuries. Th emost injuries are on the side of the policemen - almost 50 persons, while the aggresive attacks have been started by the fans of the party. The policemen have been pushing them out and defending themselves. At the end they defended not only themself but also the broad neighborhood and this is a statement that we are a proper democratic country, which can protect its citizens from the wild causalities.
This are the facts. Pararells with the communist regime, or the SNB praxis, or even the november 89' assault of the SNB against students are not on place. It is a offence to our citizens, which went to the street in november 89' with a pure human message, and every analogy with this fury of young anarchists is absolutely not correct and is intentional.
[next follows a blabla about him on holydays and freedom and democracy]..
Jiøí Paroubek, Prime-Minister
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Cymoon
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Posted : Aug 2, 2005 17:00
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Posted : Aug 2, 2005 17:05
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another notice:
the local citizens from the villages around wrote and signed a petition, where they asked the police to let the people go to their place and have the party there instead of being blocked in their villages...
the place was right next to a highway to germany, which is producing more noise all the time than the party itself...
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Cymoon
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Posted : Aug 2, 2005 17:22
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Posted : Aug 2, 2005 17:38
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Technognome i saw lot of pictures and the majority of police forces there have an ID Tag number somewhere in their uniforms either this means their helmet or their shirt or whatever.If you focus on one or two police officers that SEEM LIKE they have no ID then sorry but you are misleading the conversation here.
By the way these are ID Tags because i also asked my best friends father who is an active police chief in Rhodes one of the biggest Greek islands.
Now about prime ministers speech,well he is not far away from reality unfortunately...
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Posted : Aug 2, 2005 17:40
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On 2005-08-02 17:40, detox wrote:
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Police is doing their job you know and they are not all the time wrong like some people like to think.
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hey, sure its their job. some people in my country (germany) had also a "job" 60 years ago.
you are waiting for facts, how many more informations do you need to believe what happened there?
i dont want to attack you, i understand what you mean, but in my opinion passivity is the wrong decision here.
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Slater
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Posted : Aug 2, 2005 17:50
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Well, although I spent only a short time at Czechtekk area this year since we were on our way to Atmosphere festival in Switzerland, from that what I saw, heard from my all of my friends and the press reports, it´s evident for me that the police action was far from being adequate and justifiable. I am not the right person to give a point-to-point explanation to all the things that happened in the last few days, but for sure check the links Cymoon posted here, what a pity there are not enough English written texts included. It´s nice to see your interest in this issue, btw.
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