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Oran
IsraTrance Team

Started Topics :  17
Posts :  1362
Posted : Apr 19, 2005 17:48
Quote:

On 2005-04-19 17:38, DanKo wrote:
grow up lads
its all about the f money



maybe that the way it works in your world/scene...

but down here asi is making hat parties shahar is runing isratrance and yuli make quality psychedelic music.

true they all need some money to live...

but still...
          Always agressive never progressive.
DanKo
IsraTrance Full Member

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Posts :  392
Posted : Apr 19, 2005 21:56
I donr remember Yuli playing for free recently
and its true isratrance is pure and good shahar and candy and borris and all keep it that way
but me and yuli and some more people who make the most underground music
dont have a day job dude and we need bread and jam
its called being proffesional
doing something over and over again
hat parties could be nice but show me someone who does onlu them
come on
also underground musicians dont play for free
only non-proffesioals. and who wants to take acid and dance to them???? lmao rofl
Oran
IsraTrance Team

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Posts :  1362
Posted : Apr 19, 2005 22:11
danko i guess u missunderstood me(dont worry its not the 1st time)

what i meant was that some artist/labels keep releasing real underground psy music over years while others choose the easy way of releasing crap that sales more and get them more booking.

so i guess u can see some ppl have some soul left and not only money...

no one makes only hat parties but thanks god we have enough real underground parties who gave their org's some profit also without getting gready and make nasty parties...           Always agressive never progressive.
Maya bee
IsraTrance Junior Member

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Posts :  637
Posted : Apr 19, 2005 22:38
[quote]
On 2005-04-19 17:47, huga_generation wrote:
maybe collective doesnt fit to run a counrty but it sure can help the underground trance vibe imo!

[/quote]

and that what i think yuli intent to say:why dont we take the prog scean one step higer.
Becouse the proggresive community in israel are very small maybe it will be more right not to do hat party in the same date,or freind party in the same date a specialy when there is a party with higer prodaction.
Asi party,Dudu party,Avishy party was not a money party so its not the issue here.
so i can see 2 option:

1.The org start talking with the uther org and ask in wich date they are going to do there party.

2.a union,i will call it The prog union of israel,that charge on the dats of the parties and the quality.
there will be a list and there will be some criterions(some higher critarions)to get into the list.
if the prog union will came up,every body will enjoy and get benefit.
The Ppl(crowd)-all the friends and every body will be there.
The d.js-they will get money.
The org -wont lose money.
in that way every time when i will go to a party that on the union list,i will know for shure that this is a good one.
some time it will be hat party and some times higer prodaction party.
and a good party to go allmost every week.

maybe a union can do the change...fuck the sistem and fuck who fuck the sistem.
          Maya The Bee says :Be & Beezzzzzzzzzzzzzz
Sambusak

Started Topics :  4
Posts :  11
Posted : Apr 20, 2005 13:49
Just want to say this is a redicoules thread...
as one who didnt attend both parties, but heard about the hat party 3 monthes ago (if not more) and never heard about the southrn one, id just like to state (and it has nothing to do with my last sentence) that i think a weekend with only 2 parties is a small competition, especially when its at both edges of the country... its like blaming voov festival for the lack of people in a certain party in july (which is a much better example of a crowd attractor than a party upnorth with a small crowd of 400 people). Yuli - if avishay's party was a hat party and asi's one was an ordinary one would you play for asi instead? it is seriously the funniest thread ive read in a long time, and although i never reply here, i found it necissary to answer this one.
And on a less 'ethic' note i dont think anyone considers "covering the orginaizers expenses" as one of the criterias for attending a party, im sure you too yuli. attending parties are people's quality time over the weekend, if you wanna pass charity you can do it in midweek aswell, and i think you made a sharp example of my point when you dared to call a hat party a "free party".
Hat parties are the essence of any scene, why only trance? it was meant for people to invest as much as they can at the certain time, whats more beautiful than that?

Peace, hooray for hat parties.
Yuli
Retired

Started Topics :  40
Posts :  1660
Posted : Apr 20, 2005 14:05
@ Sambusak - u didnt even waste yer time to read what was written in my message and in the thread, as it shows from what u have written here. So please READ it and then start accusing, ok? Maybe I will help u because it seems u r as lazy as tactless.

01. I didn't blame anyone for the 10th time, how many times I and others need to say it so ppl like u will understand?

02. You have no idea what heavy SMS promo for a Free Party does when one has to decide where to go. I PERSONALLY KNOW many ppl that would go south if there was no free party.

03. The production in the desert was incredibly well done. With all one needs to have to enjoy himself to the fullest.

04. Hat Party and Free Party is totally the same. As I stated I made myself and played in those. I guess I know them better then u. Ofcourse they are NOT the essence of anything at all, and supposed to stay FRIENDS parties, without heavy promo around them. Also they became a bit trendy last year arent they... it was about 1 per 3 weeks or something


Sambusak, I do not know who u are, but from your tone I might think I wouldnt like u to come to my parties anyway. No need for charity man. Stick to the 'Hat Parties' and don't come to 'Cover Organizers Expences' - we dont need, neither we dont love ppl like u


Oh and it's RIDICULOUS.           A man with a "master plan" is often a woman
Candy
IsraTrance Full Member

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Posts :  2273
Posted : Apr 20, 2005 14:14
No Yuli, you're not blaming anyone, you're just saying there was a hat party in the north (wihtout names yeah?) and Avishay's party in the south where not many ppl came because of the hat party in the north. But no, u're not blaming anyone

About the sms, let the guy do promotion the way he wants. It's his right. He didn't issue any flyers while Avihshay did. It's nobody's business how the guy decides to make his promotion, not yours either.
Again I say, if you're looking to blame somebody, just double check how u make promotion next time, that's it.
          Majority is never right!

"Without music, life is meaningless."
-Friedrich Nietzsche
Cyber Punk
IsraTrance Team

Started Topics :  29
Posts :  759
Posted : Apr 20, 2005 14:17
Relax ppl, we don't need fights here.

Till now the level of the discussion was high, let's continue in this way.


Yuli, I understood Your point. BUT !

What exactly should we do ?
Do You have smth specific on your mind ?

          -=Lead System Designer=-
Yuli
Retired

Started Topics :  40
Posts :  1660
Posted : Apr 20, 2005 14:23
Candy please dont put words into my mouth u don't know me too well ( thank god ) to say what i had in mind when I stated something.

I said that Free Party heavily promoted thru media, is a little different version from Hat Party as I used to know, and surely would draw crowd from other parties that were much heavier invested and that is aint fair competition.

I mentioned that IMO ppl that make events for fun should find them a date accordingly to ppl that make larger events - at least for the sake of our scene if not for pure Ethics and just being nice to others.
          A man with a "master plan" is often a woman
Yuli
Retired

Started Topics :  40
Posts :  1660
Posted : Apr 20, 2005 14:26
Quote:

On 2005-04-20 14:17, Cyber Punk wrote:

Yuli, I understood Your point. BUT !

What exactly should we do ?
Do You have smth specific on your mind ?




We can start thinking about our scene, not about how I pull it and it is so much fun... But also what it might or might not do to others. The Proggy scene is very small. To keep it cool, we should be good to each other.

Maya message on the same page here, had a few really constructive points. Maybe it sounds naive - but Hat Parties were Naive too at the time.           A man with a "master plan" is often a woman
DanKo
IsraTrance Full Member

Started Topics :  121
Posts :  392
Posted : Apr 20, 2005 16:32
This is the most ridiculous thread!
Make a union of Prog Trance LoL
what a joke imao
make as many parties as possible
free with charge wateva...
then u will know where qulity grows

psy^soldier
IsraTrance Junior Member

Started Topics :  26
Posts :  922
Posted : Apr 20, 2005 16:44
yuli your talking about thinking the proggy scene well the hat party in the north wasnt really a prog party there was alot more fullon then prog! and more so enfield club had a party near the hat party and my friends told me that the brought alot of poeple and they took 90 for entrance i think candy is right when she said the promotion for the party was not perfect and again alot of the crowd that goes to party dont care about the line up he just wants to go to a party
trance-mama
IsraTrance Junior Member

Started Topics :  32
Posts :  158
Posted : Apr 20, 2005 19:59
Wow this is a long thread. Yuli, U know we love your music and your presence. I was sure you party was something I would really missout on if we didn't go (and we didn't and we missed out...) But I couldn't even think about driving one more weekend 3.5 hours there and then 3.5 hours back... there have been too many parties of the same crowd (proggy) in the desert during the past month. Honestly speaking, if I would have gone out that weekend I would have gone closer to home. This is a small scene as you say.
I agree with alot of what mia bee was saying. there could be positive thinking and thinking of "win win" situations for all. I hear your frustratuion and don't see why not coordinate party dates between organizers.
Love and respect..
E-Yon


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Posts :  45
Posted : Apr 21, 2005 03:26
Yuli, I am with you on one hand, and with Nomolos on the other. Its just so funny to read your love letters to eachother.
I feel that both sides can live in peace. Everybody anyways knows eachother...and also fuck everything. Do what you wanna do, and if you have the vibe - what will be will be. Lets just enjoy our portion of the pie and give some to others if we can!
SO MANY PARTIES THIS WEEKEND!!!
CHAG SAMEACH TO ALL AM YEESRAEL!
Maya bee
IsraTrance Junior Member

Started Topics :  34
Posts :  637
Posted : Apr 21, 2005 10:37
[quote]
On 2005-04-20 16:32, DanKo wrote:
This is the most ridiculous thread!
Make a union of Prog Trance LoL
what a joke imao
make as many parties as possible
free with charge wateva...
then u will know where qulity grows


[/quote]

actually it is a joke ...but you wont hear another joke: Dan komem doing a hat party..
          Maya The Bee says :Be & Beezzzzzzzzzzzzzz
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