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DanKo
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Posted : Apr 18, 2005 14:07
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I think its a lot of BS
Its like any other market on the planet
Competition, prices, publicity, pr, place of the business etc etc
Grow up boys & girls.
and like Don Corleone said: dont take it personally, Its strictly business
We all love a good free party once in a while. we love it
but no one especially not artists & promoters can continue to do what we do if we dont earn any money from it. period |
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e tay (etic)
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Posted : Apr 18, 2005 15:19
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Bottom line - better planning, better publicity, better luck?
I also feel sorry 4 Avishai....but agree with u helen & nadi about that this party needed more promotion n luck .....line up was good so what else ?? i dont belive that those parties up north made the big different !!
Yuli ... i thing u got a point ....lets say if those parties happen in the same area(South)...like one 4free (or as much as u can)
and one 4 full charge ...in this case ETHICS is a must !!
and danco i liked what u said: "but no one especially not artists & promoters can continue to do what we do if we dont earn any money from it. period
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nahimoff
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Posted : Apr 18, 2005 15:41
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shahar
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Posted : Apr 18, 2005 17:45
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On 2005-04-18 14:07, DanKo wrote:
Its like any other market on the planet
Competition, prices, publicity, pr, place of the business etc etc
Grow up boys & girls.
and like Don Corleone said: dont take it personally, Its strictly business
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mmm.... if people here think that there are values higher than those glorified by the commercialized world we seem to be living in it means that they are not grown up?
Sometimes it seems quite the opposite to me...
And maybe, Dan, there are some people that for them this is not strictly business, ever thought of that possibility?
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but no one especially not artists & promoters can continue to do what we do if we dont earn any money from it. period
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I think Yuli was suggesting that people can make money, but not necessarily on other people's expenance. While I think that this is probably utopia, considering the people involved with organizing parties here, and will never happen, it doesn't mean it's not a good idea to talk and think about it, and that people can't actually learn something from it.
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DanKo
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Posted : Apr 18, 2005 19:06
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Dear Shahar
I myself make a free party once a while
People should concentrate on their own parties and not blame other people for their failures
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Ananda604
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Posted : Apr 18, 2005 19:47
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oran you got me all wrong ...
ofcourse I wont go to a party including my fave artist if I know its gonna suck big times hehe
I'd go to familiar party organization which I enjoy their parties and know they are quality ones over hat party just NOT TO PAY....
I meant, I am not rich (not at all hehe) but money isn't a roll here .
because _most_ of people who go to hat parties are greedy "kfuyey tova" who don't want to pay a nikel and just wanna party ....I am not saying its bad to organize such a party , not at all , it's just that it doesnt play a roll in my planning of what party to go ...
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sophicos
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Posted : Apr 18, 2005 20:00
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After reading the thread i felt a need to say afew words,
-I join yuli in the ethics part , i totaly agree with nadi's experiance and the points he raised in his words .
and with shahar in his saying of :
"this is probably utopia, considering the people involved with organizing parties here, and will never happen, it doesn't mean it's not a good idea to talk and think about it..."
as much as it's sad to admit , and i do really hope time will tell if this dream will come true in israel ..
i wish that our scene would be much more then it is already , i guess that for knowing if what we raised here will once again happen this season , or mabey even more ?
i guess i can't really tell becouse i've just started a phase in my life where i need to put it the test .. so we just have to wait and see .
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Yuli
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Posted : Apr 18, 2005 20:50
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On 2005-04-18 19:06, DanKo wrote:
Dear Shahar
I myself make a free party once a while
People should concentrate on their own parties and not blame other people for their failures
period.
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Danko,
No one was blaming, and I aint the organizer. Chill out and relax cabron. I have written about 5 times already that I ain't blaming no one. So I guess that on the head of the thief the hat burns first, damn hebrew saying...
I merely was suggesting ppl to be nicer to their own culture / comrades, since after all to spit in our own well is a shame.
Proggy scene is much smaller then yours Danko, and things of the micro not always work by the rules of the macro.
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Yuli
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Posted : Apr 18, 2005 20:55
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I think Yuli was suggesting that people can make money, but not necessarily on other people's expenance. While I think that this is probably utopia, considering the people involved with organizing parties here, and will never happen, it doesn't mean it's not a good idea to talk and think about it, and that people can't actually learn something from it.
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I meant also that Hat Party shouldnt become a 'super cool trend' - otherwise all Sheinkin become a Hat Party goers.. 1 or 2 of these a season should be enough - and, since the Hat Party is for fun and not for money making, as it seems to be, then there is no need for more than 3000 SMS sent over about the FREE PARTY.
One has to choose -
1. Make party invest money, take ticket etc... and publish it accordingly - that is for me at least fair and may those that good in what they are doing enjoy from their hard work.
2. Make underground free party for friends - then why so much SMS??
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Yuli
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Posted : Apr 18, 2005 21:06
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On 2005-04-17 17:24, oran(m.p) wrote:
u prefer to go to quality parties over hat parties???
wtf is that sepose to mean???i guess u call those big commercial parties with "underground" names quality parties(lol).
on the coming independence day one of those "quality" productions gonna bring my most wanted artist on earth and to tell u the truth theres no way im going to this kind of party not even to hear him.
i prefer a hat party on evry kind of party no matter who play there cause i prefer to support the ppl who make parties just for fun and 4 the ppl (try to scrool up and read what ppl wrote about the true essence of trance).
and btw if hat parties are so common ill be happy if u could pm when u hear on the next one...
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Oran I know u personally and u r cool and nice guy and all but let me give the reality into your face once and for all.
I dunno about you, but I work like a fucking donkey for the last 8 years, making music, sitting in my studio while other friends of mine having a career in a real world, I need to hear this shise from you.
Many ppl in this scene spend a lot of time in order for ppl to enjoy music, enjoy the parties they go to etc.. There is no bad at all with parties with flyers, there is nothing bad in DJ's that play and being paid for their work. That is real life Oran, welcome...
I really believe that if our world would be a perfect place where my food comes to my plate for free, I would vote for only free parties and free entrance to cinema etc.. but hey wake up please... The music that u enjoy in parties and at home had taken hours upon hours to make.
btw TRUE ESSENCE OF TRANCE
TRANCE - takes a lot of time to make
what about TRUE ESSENCE OF WORK?
what about TRUE ESSENCE OF PAYCHECK?
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Oran
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Posted : Apr 18, 2005 21:18
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sorry yuli,maybe im stuipd but i didnt realy understand the connection of the quete to your answer...
1 thing i can say is that theres a big diffrent between making money out of trance and make trance for the money....
and about those so called free parties, i know for sure that in the last 2 hat parties asi made including the one that he made with me(yes the one that was closed in 04:00)all dj's that play soundmans and other ppl that help got money,even though there was no talking about that b4 hand...
i have a lot of respect for ppl like u and for other artists and party org's from this scene that realy want to make this scene better...
but there's many that just want to get rich of it over night...
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Nachummm
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Posted : Apr 18, 2005 21:19
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true yuli
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sophicos
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Posted : Apr 18, 2005 21:20
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Yuli
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Posted : Apr 18, 2005 21:25
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On 2005-04-18 21:18, oran(m.p) wrote:
sorry yuli,maybe im stuipd but i didnt realy understand the connection of the quete to your answer...
1 thing i can say is that theres a big diffrent between making money out of trance and make trance for the money....
and about those so called free parties, i know for sure that in the last 2 hat parties asi made including the one that he made with me(yes the one that was closed in 04:00)all dj's that play soundmans and other ppl that help got money,even though there was no talking about that b4 hand...
i have a lot of respect for ppl like u and for other artists and party org's from this scene that realy want to make this scene...
but there's many that just want to get rich of it over night...
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Oran u r far from stupid.
As one that made free parties and played on free parties, that is the essence of free party. You make it for free and the DJ play for free... At least that what I am used for..
About paying to the staff of free party.. well man usually is gasoline money ( not that it is bad ) but to make a living one needs more than that. So we all need those parties that involve money, don't u think so?
PPL
Money aint a bad word. It depends on what u do with it and what u do to earn it. Every hard working person deserves to be paid.
And about yer last phrase.
YES to that - and THAT IS WHY, we all need to help each other so the underground proggy scene will kick ass
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Oran
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Posted : Apr 18, 2005 21:35
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So we all need those parties that involve money, don't u think so?
PPL
Money aint a bad word. It depends on what u do with it and what u do to earn it. Every hard working person deserves to be paid.
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yuli i guess u need those parties more than me and i realy hope u will make as much money as possible from this parties cause i realy belive u deserve it.but still my choice will b not to go to this kind of parties...theres more than enough ppl who go to those...
money 4 sure is not a bad word BUT a commercialism of an underground culture(who am i kidding?) is.....
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