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Organic Records: Tsunami benefit CD

EYB
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Posted : Feb 2, 2005 13:44
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The Journey Man Project
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Posted : Feb 3, 2005 11:12
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On 2005-02-02 12:10, Mike A wrote:
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On 2005-02-02 12:02, traveller wrote:
The US just might have abit more resources than some east Asian country..


No they don't. They just exploit their resources better.
So what I'm saying is to teach them how to use their resources, don't just spoon feed them.


tom - of course. I was not talking about this specific disaster.





Um yes they do have a lot more resources, hence why they are they are the most powerful country in the world... maybe you should do a little research before you post such things. You are very insulting towards a number of people. I have visited most of these country's as I live in the region and to make judgements not based on facts is really disgusting. The GDP of US vs Sri Lanka is ridiculously different. Do a tiny bit of google searching and then come back and tell it only comes down to useof resources...
tom anteater
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Posted : Feb 3, 2005 11:26
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On 2005-02-03 11:12, The Journey Man Project wrote:
Um yes they do have a lot more resources, hence..
bla bla bla..
The GDP of US vs Sri Lanka is ridiculously different.
Do a tiny bit of google searching and then come back and tell it only comes down to useof resources...



surely this rather depends what we mean by resources. gross domestic product is not necessarily correlated with what resources a country has.. look at the congo.. one of the most mineral rich nations on earth but.. not a great place to live right now.

so before you get insulted why don't you define your terms           >>love will tear us apart...<<
Mike A
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Posted : Feb 3, 2005 12:15
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On 2005-02-03 11:26, tom anteater wrote:

surely this rather depends what we mean by resources. gross domestic product is not necessarily correlated with what resources a country has.. look at the congo.. one of the most mineral rich nations on earth but.. not a great place to live right now.

so before you get insulted why don't you define your terms


indeed.
by resources i don't mean who has more ipod players. i was talking about natural resources.
The Journey Man Project
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Posted : Feb 3, 2005 12:22
GDP is the centre of allpower in a country... it controls everything from how the government spends it;s money, to inernational debt, to the cost of living for the pople in the country, to the value of the country's dollar... so if the GDP of USA is higher than Sri Lanka, I'd say that the cost of living, standard of living and ability to cope with natural disasters on a massive scale would be completely different... .
EYB
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Posted : Feb 3, 2005 12:39
Funky stuff. If these countries wouldn't tkae all their money for army they had enough money. So it is their own fault in one way.

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Posted : Feb 3, 2005 12:43
Yes but there is moe to coping with such a thing than having resources... most of these people are in mourning because in a matter of minutes their lives were ruined... in the process of mourning which I'd say wil take a lifetime at least we can give them the means to be comfortable... also, most of their ability to grow or catch food is gone beacue there water is contaminated with sewage and sea water. Fish are dead, or poisoned. Land is ruined and they have nothing to make new boats with and no money. I'm going to backout form this, but I have worked overseas in third world countries as has my brother, and there is alot more to this than the availablity of resources. Compassion is more valuable than being a smart ass. And yes I now you mean more than Ipods, I studied economics at university, stop being a smart-arse coz nobody's laughing but you.
The Journey Man Project
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Posted : Feb 3, 2005 12:45
EYB, I've got a lot I'd like to say about such a comment, but all I'l says is grow up.
The Journey Man Project
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Posted : Feb 3, 2005 12:49
Oh, by the way the USA spends around $4 Billion US per year on their army. Even if you combined every other country ont his planet, their armed forces would be not even close to the US in technology and training. Where on earth did such a view come from? Sheesh, there are some really ignorant minds around here. Go read up on it, or are you too busy tweaking your own knob?
EYB
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Posted : Feb 3, 2005 12:53
LOL, ok ill gow up maybe, but maybe u can help me. What do u say to about my comment?

That it is utopic? Yes it is, but it is a true statement.

Ok they have nothing now, that really bad and i would be really really really fucked up if i would live there. No question, we all would be fucked up.

But it is a generally problem for the whole world that we have enough resources for all people to be happy and not hungry nor thursty. But we use it for 'shit' like armies and weapons. Some people want to live better then other that is the reason why some people have to life with nothing.

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Posted : Feb 3, 2005 13:30
Yup you said it If only life were so simple hey? I'm going to give some of my money in the hope it goes to some good and heck, at least I'll get a funky cd out of it Being human is hard work, we're all so very different in every way
FluoSamsara (Oxygen)
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Posted : Feb 3, 2005 13:51
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On 2005-02-02 11:42, Mike A wrote:
I'm against all this free food and donations. Why don't you teach them how to cope with distasters alone?
USA didn't ask for any help after the hurricanes last summer.
Give them a fish, they have food for one day. Tell them to build a fishing boat and they have food for life. Something to think about





I´m sorry yesterday I saw this post I wanted to reply, but I didn´t know what to say...I was too shoked at the time....

Sorry Mike but IMO this is one of the dumbest things ever written on this forum....not to offend but i just tottaly disagree with it with all my heart

First of all you should do a bit of research before you say such things, so you say that these countries have more resourses than the US....well you can start to try and find who this resources belong to and who controls these resources...heheheh..

And have you seen the news? Have you got any idea of the size of this disaster and how many problems it brought to these countries? Have you got any idea how much is 160.000 People????

Have you visited any of this countries to have a slight idea of how they live and what they have as a society, talking about rescue and emergency services etc...?

The next day this disaster happened, native people where already on the streets triyng to sell what they have left, helping the ones in need, trying already to make a living and start a new life, many of them having most of their family gonne.

In my opinion in no part of the ocidental world I would see such courage and will to start from scratch, to put the past behind and start a new future.
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Posted : Feb 3, 2005 13:59
I am a bit tired of people using all their energy on this Tsunami disaster.. yes it's a terrible disaster BUT help is there and things are progressing the right way! Where's your symphaty and help for Africa? In December Africa was cut half in benefits thanks to the Tsunami benefits and in January the benefits are almost zero! There's a need for 150 million dollars NOW so suffering people in Africa can eat and get medicine over the next 3 months. 50,000 people die there every single week. Thats 200,000 a months and 2.4 million a year!

Yes the benefit CD is a good initiative even though the Benefit Organisations urge people NOT to give them any more money to the Tsunami disaters simply because they got enough money now! The urge people not to forget the many other even worse man made disasters!

Maybe a bit of perspective and carying for other areas where NO white people got killed would be a good thing now instead of this Hyped benefit show.
Mike A
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Posted : Feb 3, 2005 14:54
You all just didn't understand me.
I'm not saynig that those countries are rich. I'm just saying that they could have been rich and then be able to help themselves instead of asking for help from other countries.
I think the reason is known to all, and I won't mention it because if I will I'll get flamed so hard

HandA - I'm usually against your opinions but this time I agree with every single word.
HandA
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Posted : Feb 3, 2005 15:06
I have to support Mike A in some point. If you take India as an example. India have many many poor people living on the streets, living from hand to hand while the Politicians and the ultra rich elite (yes ultra rich - some have fortunes similar to the national growth of western countries) ripe all the resources and take all the money out of the Country and into Western Bank accounts. If the Political system changed so people actually paid taxes (Rich people dont pay tax - they simply bribe Politicians) and the ultra rich elite would invest in India instead of offshore western high interest accounts and realestate then India would not need much benefit within a period of 5 - 10 years. India is one of the most rich countries in the world when it come to resourses and wealth (along Africa) but as long as Politicians and the elite only think about themsleves then the people will suffer, die and starve in large numbers! As much as we got to help it's also due time now that help come from within the "poor" Countries themselves!


Sidenote! How sick is it that we actually still pay benefit to the ultra rich oil producing countries because they were members of a "club" of countries that needed help financially before they found oil...

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