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One or more stages....

Ellon
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Posted : Jan 22, 2008 21:52
Fellow travellers,

In many topics of this forum there several discussions about this new trend/invasion of other styles of music in "classic" psy parties, festivals, gatherings.....some people against others in favour, preaching on the necessaty to evolve, opening the scene, etc...Also relevant is the question of the several stages that this usually implies. One stage psy, the other electro, progressive or "Classic".
A fellow member, Mad Purple State, said that this kills the vibe of the commun source, tribe reunion that we all witnessed in psy (for me this was a big turn on when i started to attend parties - a family gathered under one source). I agree....me donŽliki!!!!
Im a music lover but i see this "changes" in a rupture form and not as a positive evolution to the scene....

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Colin OOOD
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Posted : Jan 22, 2008 22:25
There never used to be divisions between psy (or goa) and other forms of dance music; when I first got into it you'd hear all sorts of music at parties, and this is something that greatly influenced the style up to the end of the 90s. All music was a valid inspiration for trance. Seems to me that only since then have we seen psy split up into different styles, as new producers sprang up who were only influenced by trance music and who didn't have the broader musical background that made the originial incarnation of goa trance such a vibrant and powerful thing. This has resulted in a regurgitation of ideas into a large number of similar-sounding tracks, and act after act who seem not to offer anything unique beyond their own method of generating a 16th or an off-beat bassline.

Offering different kinds of dance music in one event is a return to the source for our scene and is one way of re-inspiring the genre with fresh ideas. As we come into contact with new forms of music, so our horizons widen and our life becomes bigger. I wouldn't like to see every party or festival add breaks or electro rooms or stages though, as there is definitely something to be said for not diluting things - although no-one's saying you have to go and listen to the other stages, if you prefer not to be challenged and have your mind truly expanded by new experiences!

My 'family' is far bigger than just those who like a 4-to-the-floor kickdrum, and I would love to see more opportunities for us all to get together under the stars.           Mastering - http://mastering.OOOD.net :: www.is.gd/mastering
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Rhythmik


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Posted : Jan 22, 2008 23:54
Alternatives are always a good option! Me think
Magox
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Posted : Jan 22, 2008 23:56
Diversity in music is a good thing in most cases. It opens the mind to different sounds. After all isn't our scene suppose to be influenced by mind expansion?

i guess it depends on how you do it, and of course everyone's in take of the added dynamics of different sounds will differ.

If i wanted to have a more intimate gathering and feeling to the party i'd preferably want to keep it all in one stage, to maintain the cozyness and family aspect of it.

If i wanted to share the sound with more people, then i'd probably would like to have a couple stages to cater to different crowds, and see if there was a possibility in hybriding the scene. Which i don't see as a bad thing at all. But of course that deters and takes away from the "family" feeling as well.

So i see both cases having their constructive purposes.

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Mad Purple State
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Posted : Jan 23, 2008 00:20
Diversity is good... But all these influences of diff genres of music can be learnt outside the festival and be used in their set under one stage...

When i first got into the scene... it was all about collective energy progressing towards one source... one destination... everyone present there all under the same sun... dancing together to make the dust rise off the floor... ONE power ... ONE connexion...passing it on from one body to another...

For most of you'll who talk practically bout experiencing diff styles on diff stages may have never felt the connexion... they may never have climbed a high ground at a party and looked down from there on how a ball of energy looks when it all climaxes at one GO...

Here we are talking bout psy parties... so its gotta be 4 to the floor kick or else go to an experimental scene...

One of the best feelings of being at a party is for its collective energy and looking at this forum it looks like people have lost that feeling and have gone beyond the thought that its nothing but all in your head...

I beg to differ to most posts above me... as one energy one source one music makes us all one...

Cheers.

Mad...

P.S. Good one Ellon ... would love to see other peoples views on it.           No great genius has ever existed without some touch of madness...
Bender B. Rodriguez
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Posted : Jan 23, 2008 01:55
The 2007. edition of the Fullmoon festival had 2 stages. The big one was full on and night psy orientated, the smaller one was progressive orientated. It was kind of bad because the sound system at the progressive stage wasn`t very good, and there weren`t that many people there. On the other hand the full on stage was packed, the sound was good, but the music played there always sounded the same and IMHO was pretty horrible. So it didn`t work very well in this case.

I prefer the way most festivals function. One dance stage, and one chill out stage. If there are more dance stages than a mixture of styles should be present.
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Ellon
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Posted : Jan 23, 2008 11:45
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On 2008-01-22 22:25, Colin OOOD wrote:
There never used to be divisions between psy (or goa) and other forms of dance music; when I first got into it you'd hear all sorts of music at parties, and this is something that greatly influenced the style up to the end of the 90s. All music was a valid inspiration for trance. Seems to me that only since then have we seen psy split up into different styles, as new producers sprang up who were only influenced by trance music and who didn't have the broader musical background that made the originial incarnation of goa trance such a vibrant and powerful thing. This has resulted in a regurgitation of ideas into a large number of similar-sounding tracks, and act after act who seem not to offer anything unique beyond their own method of generating a 16th or an off-beat bassline.

Offering different kinds of dance music in one event is a return to the source for our scene and is one way of re-inspiring the genre with fresh ideas. As we come into contact with new forms of music, so our horizons widen and our life becomes bigger. I wouldn't like to see every party or festival add breaks or electro rooms or stages though, as there is definitely something to be said for not diluting things - although no-one's saying you have to go and listen to the other stages, if you prefer not to be challenged and have your mind truly expanded by new experiences!

My 'family' is far bigger than just those who like a 4-to-the-floor kickdrum, and I would love to see more opportunities for us all to get together under the stars.




I dont see psy-trance (all the styles) inclosed into this "4-to-the-floor" you refer to....and this invasion of stages playing other genres in PSY-EVENTS kinda kills the "all to get together under the stars" as we will be actually divided under the stars or the diferent tents of a generalistic music event....A concept that i have nothing against but i wouldnt like to see as the replacement of what once was a psy-gathering.....

          
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Colin OOOD
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Posted : Jan 23, 2008 19:55
But the psy-gathering as we know it now is a replacement of the gatherings we used to have when we'd dance to all kinds of music, which included psy...           Mastering - http://mastering.OOOD.net :: www.is.gd/mastering
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Mad Purple State
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Posted : Jan 23, 2008 20:11
True... but was there any importance to oneness in those gatherings... or just a byproduct?           No great genius has ever existed without some touch of madness...
Soul Kontakt
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Posted : Jan 23, 2008 20:37
The gathering under one music under one pure exstatic state of mind is something that makes people change, is something that makes you fly! in my opinion people who love music make this gathering happen, and all the other parties are just parties were you go you have fun and you are still the same. A well organised gathering can change our lives to a new level of conciousness, a togetherness were we dance and apreciate art and music combined with our inner happiness to become one in certain moments of our life. Division brings division and gatherings bring life!

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Colin OOOD
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Posted : Jan 23, 2008 20:38
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On 2008-01-23 20:11, Mad Purple State wrote:
True... but was there any importance to oneness in those gatherings... or just a byproduct?


You had to be there. Srsly. Where do you think PLUR came from?           Mastering - http://mastering.OOOD.net :: www.is.gd/mastering
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Mad Purple State
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Posted : Jan 23, 2008 20:47
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You had to be there. Srsly. Where do you think PLUR came from?




Yes colin... the only thing i may have witnessd from those times is that lil clip they show in the Last Hippie Standing Documentry.

So my question being... Do you feel the same energy when there are different stages in these times? My answer to that would be It cant be possible...

and Can the energy of those times be felt if you have a 500 people MAD MAD MAD like over the top monkey madness party with one stage... my answer to that would be ... Yes... That energy can come alive... like it always did. Cause I have felt it time and time again... specially with a smaller crowd

and look at 'the gathering' that happens in japan, it is know to be one of the best parties on this planet and I think it always uses only one roof for all their artists.

-Mad           No great genius has ever existed without some touch of madness...
John
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Posted : Jan 23, 2008 20:54
Maybe its a UK thing - but even after when Colin was talking about - it was very common to have different sorts of music at one party (psy room/acid techno room/chill out etc). Where I live - there has always been a big undeground house scene - so it was very common to have a house rig at out door parties. And virtually all UK festivals have lots of different sorts of music. Personally I get bored of psy trance 24/7 and like a bit of variety at festivals...

Its the people who make a party...
Colin OOOD
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Posted : Jan 23, 2008 20:58
The scene has changed and I have changed. I have seen and felt the same energy at a recent multi-stage festival but it very much depends on who is playing at the time. Cosmosis, Eat Static... my personal feeling is that prog and dark trance are not as conducive to these collective experiences as other styles but I'm sure other people's opinions will differ.

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Mad Purple State
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Posted : Jan 23, 2008 23:45
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On 2008-01-23 20:54, John wrote:
Maybe its a UK thing - but even after when Colin was talking about - it was very common to have different sorts of music at one party (psy room/acid techno room/chill out etc). Where I live - there has always been a big undeground house scene - so it was very common to have a house rig at out door parties. And virtually all UK festivals have lots of different sorts of music. Personally I get bored of psy trance 24/7 and like a bit of variety at festivals...

Its the people who make a party...



A chill tent + psy stage makes sense... when you need to cool down but not runaway from music... thats the next best thing offered.

To reply to Colin... I can agree with you on the proggy part... I dont find that connexion too... but I feel Dark Music is part of the whole preparation to fly together as twilight hits and we burst with energy in the morning... (Personally I feel Dark is a Mental Connexion to the music and Morning is the Physical Connexion. All the Dark Boys mite disagree with me on that) and together it gives you a complete experience. Proggy can be played on the same stage around 11am-7pm... perfect time to just nod ure head and tap ure feet...

About collective experiences... you can find in different genres too... closest i could compare it to would be good heavy metal/industrial metal/New age Metal/Rock as the band takes the crowd on a crazy ride (Im a fan of metal myself). But its not the same energy. With Metal its more aggressive... not negative.. just aggressive.

And as for UK trance or Commercial trance and underground house... I have heard a lot and never felt THAT much depth as i could find in psychedelic scene and I notice a lot of people at these party's usually get wasted on alchohol and if they cant control their mind and body how can all be present 100% in that moment physically n mentally to that one source... that collective energy is hard to find... to put it in other words... they are there just for have a really good time in whatever way they feel the defination of fun is... and i feel for us ravers theres a lil more sirius isness involved in that... we like to build the whole experience sharply in our minds...

so yes... collective experiences are possible in diff. but not all genres... but they are not the same type of glowing experience that this music gives...

phew...

I dont know if it makes any sense mannn... but here are ma thoughts in the best way i could...



-Mad

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