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Lesser Soul
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Posted : Jan 28, 2008 18:18
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Spasm ...while u say that the vibe is changing ...cant you see thats what some of us dont want to happen ....why have ppl with extremely varied tastes in the same gathering coz if that happens then while im happily tripping to say Hishiriyo ...the guys who like PVD must be getting fried ...like we say often in india ...you can not put the acid heads and the e trippers in a scene together and hope for a vibe ....
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Spasm
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Posted : Jan 29, 2008 00:07
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| .....i was a great lover of techno but when you discover the psy beat/trip/experience/energy why go back to more simplistic/ different (worst imho(bad vibe)) energy??....i really dont see a point..... |
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Well here in my country at the moment, the psy parties are the ones with bad vibes, and all kinds of agressive, "not so plur" people.
On the other hand, the best festivals and parties in terms of vibe, were the anti-pop (with Ritchie Hawtin, Extrawelt etc.), James Holden, and prog, house prog parties around Lisbon, to my experience of course, and other more small events, with really good vibes, and dance music lovers.
I was going to techno parties back in 93, 94, big ones with big names, and yes with bad vibes etc.
Got into trance about 96, but eventually got bored with it around 2001, same music, same style of party, same stuff over and over, to many unwanted "psyless" people.
Went to progressive, still enjoy it, and its my best time in a festival, at this point in time, i'm more into more experimental, tech/house dancable, creative, deep music (see the definition of psychedelic).
I personnaly don't care about the "tribal ritual" cause i've been there and to me is bs.
I do respect it, learned from it,
I like music most of all. I am that kind of guy, the music is everything, and all this stuff goes around it.
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http://www.myspace.com/antixfiord
http://www.myspace.com/ibogarecords
If you check out what they think is their own style you might be surprised.
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Not to me, that's your ego talking like if psy-trance is the best music in the world, it's not..
In fact some of it i find quite boring.
As dance music its not even that gennerally accepted, and you if have any doubts just check the sales ratings, of psy trance and any other genre.
Maybe it doesn't mean that much, but it sure shows how accepted, and wanted it is.
If it was that innovative, diverse and creative it would be generally accepted by the people who actually buy music, right?
But who do you see on the top of the list? Dusty kid, deadmau5, hawtin, etc.
So dont say its more simplistic because less is more, and that's the beauty of it.
You dont like it, ok maybe you should take a closer listen.
@Lesser Soul,
I understand you point, but not everyone takes drugs in a event, and normally everyone respects everyones state of mind.
For example, if something that's been played is not my cup of tea, i just go around for a walk, or get some beer, or swim in the lake, and everyone is happy.
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Dogon
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Posted : Jan 29, 2008 10:21
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maybe we should build a wall between them both...
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it's called Music... 
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Mad Purple State
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Posted : Jan 29, 2008 10:28
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Ellon
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Posted : Jan 29, 2008 10:39
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"Not to me, that's your ego talking like if psy-trance is the best music in the world, it's not..
In fact some of it i find quite boring.
As dance music its not even that gennerally accepted, and you if have any doubts just check the sales ratings, of psy trance and any other genre.
Maybe it doesn't mean that much, but it sure shows how accepted, and wanted it is.
If it was that innovative, diverse and creative it would be generally accepted by the people who actually buy music, right?
But who do you see on the top of the list? Dusty kid, deadmau5, hawtin, etc.
So dont say its more simplistic because less is more, and that's the beauty of it.
You dont like it, ok maybe you should take a closer listen.
@Lesser Soul,
I understand you point, but not everyone takes drugs in a event, and normally everyone respects everyones state of mind.
For example, if something that's been played is not my cup of tea, i just go around for a walk, or get some beer, or swim in the lake, and everyone is happy." end of quote
That`s exactly where we always desagree....you present the psy-scene as a dead thing, no new ideas, no future and its only salvation lies in the hands of "super-tecnho" and "Captain electro"....thats your opinion dont make it a dogma out of it!!!!! Not considered a "dance-music"?????!!!! Thats exactly one of the things i like about it.
About takin closer listen you should do the same before your summary judgements....your not the only one here with an exquisite taste for music and the bringer of salvation for the rest of us iliterates!!!! I myself dont like minimal....am i wrong? Should i force myself to learn to like this heavenly music? After all it is the freshest thing around.....im sorry but BS....and again you sound to me a music fashion victim, always trying to hook up with the newest coolest thing. Also dont hide beside the "music is my life" to give meaning to your tastes, as you know in this forum there are several people who actually are musicians. Its also my life since im 5 years old, being exposed to it constantly.
I never saw anyone in this forum write that psy is the best thing in the world and the rest is crap, only saw people talking about their passion to it. You on the other hand thrive on the opposite.....
I also think that the majoraty of the psy-parties are missing what once made me turn my head and dive into, but i have amazing time in smaller parties, more underground.
Finally, i like generalistic events but they dont feed the same need of a psy-gathering ( its not only about the music). So as i see this scene evolving into new ideas i dont see the need for substitution. If the integration of new elements is at hand it shoud be the result of common grounds and experiences and not the result of annihalation (as you can see a lot of people dont want it that way). And this has nothing to do with the fact that many artists drink from other sources in their creation, actually this is a good as it opens horizons....my only question is why would you want to join "your" 1st class tecnho/electro with a dying breed?
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Spasm
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Posted : Jan 29, 2008 17:45
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Sure that is the bridge, now try to get the message through Lesser Soul, since you obviously missed the irony.
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no I don’t, I think some of it evolved to a better thing, both in terms of dance music, quality and creativity imo.
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wot?
Dude, I don’t know how low you feel about yourself, but you never heard me call illiterate to anyone.
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| again you sound to me a music fashion victim |
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not.
Its my opinion, and my personal and exclusive direction.
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| I never saw anyone in this forum write that psy is the best thing in the world |
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I’ll re-quote, maybe you missed it…
“why do we (as psy listeners) with the most diverse and innovative music around”
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we finally agree on something, that’s exactly what I feel.
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well think of it as a blood transfusion, you mix the old toxic, fucked up blood, with some new one fresh and powerful and the machine is back on its feet.
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Spasm
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Posted : Jan 29, 2008 18:13
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Look Ellon you should try to be objective, and look around you.
Tech/minimal like stephen bodzin and progressive techno like popof and audiojack, wich is different from simple techno is being played at the biggest festivals, by some of the best DJ's, not because they want to ruin anything, the reason is that there is a big amount of people that enjoys the music, and most of them are within the psy community, or else it wouldn’t be played there in the first place, why cant you understand this FACT.
Why would the organizers of Universo Paralello put a minimal stage, in their own psy event?
Have you ever asked yourself that question?
Still your prefer to diss minimal and electro, as if YOU have some revolutionary point in your argument, but the only thing i hear from you is to ban tech/minimal from a scene that already embraced it.
Beckers & D-Nox are two of the most wanted in any festival by people that usually relate to psy events, what’s so hard to understand, you just need to open your eyes and look at the facts.
Check out the reviews on their album… check out who is probably the best act and CD by the people in THIS community.
There is people who enjoys this music as well as good psychedelic, therefore it exists in UP and Boom....
seems reasonable to me, and i completly fail to understand you
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Spasm
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Posted : Jan 29, 2008 18:26
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Some of the BEST artists this scene had produced imo, nowadays play and make more or less tech oriented music, and for some time now.
Son Kite / Minilogue
Antix / Fiord
Vibrasphere
Atmos
D-nox
Beckers
Wrecked Machines
Ace Ventura
Perfect Stranger
X-dream /Midimilliz/Extrawelt
Do you want to ban these guys? Their music? Probably the best the scene ever produced?
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Ellon
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Posted : Jan 29, 2008 19:54
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Look Ellon you should try to be objective, and look around you.
Tech/minimal like stephen bodzin and progressive techno like popof and audiojack, wich is different from simple techno is being played at the biggest festivals, by some of the best DJ's, not because they want to ruin anything, the reason is that there is a big amount of people that enjoys the music, and most of them are within the psy community, or else it wouldn’t be played there in the first place, why cant you understand this FACT.
Why would the organizers of Universo Paralello put a minimal stage, in their own psy event?
Have you ever asked yourself that question?
Still your prefer to diss minimal and electro, as if YOU have some revolutionary point in your argument, but the only thing i hear from you is to ban tech/minimal from a scene that already embraced it.
Beckers & D-Nox are two of the most wanted in any festival by people that usually relate to psy events, what’s so hard to understand, you just need to open your eyes and look at the facts.
Check out the reviews on their album… check out who is probably the best act and CD by the people in THIS community.
There is people who enjoys this music as well as good psychedelic, therefore it exists in UP and Boom....
seems reasonable to me, and i completly fail to understand you
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You are getting me all wrong Spasm....i have nothing against Tecnho/Electro (though im not the biggest fan), i just dont see them as the only valid path to psy-music. UP has diferent stages since the 2 last editions!! Great i have nothing against, my only statement is that i would not like to see this became the rule in all Festivals (specially Boom which i have a strong and old liking and would wish to see going in a different direction). Parallel to UP there are festivals in Nepal, Europe that have a different direction....great music playing there!!!! I sorry that you fail to see that. There is room for all the concepts. I just dont see this hurge for substitution....
The names you brought the great majoraty are not Tecnho/Electro projects though many go drink there....there sound is a cross-over sound!!!!! We are talking about differnt things...to me the majoraty of them make sense in the same stage of a psy-event in its own time....
But please dont tell me that tecnho or electro are, lets say, aesthetically part of the psy-culture...they are not, and for me it would be sad to see all gatherings transformed into generalistic events. Again i say the names you quoted are not, in their majoraty, good examples. this past year i went to a lot of free-tecnho parties outdoor, at it really doesnt fit this world i ve been living for the past 12 years....
Peace
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Adigroovy
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Posted : Jan 29, 2008 20:31
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I think you guys have to make break from parties. I just read some of your posts and it gives me the sensatation like party is the only thing in life. " psyparties all the same, the techno bad vibes blabla'. The issue is there is much more then only parties, and when is occasion just go and trip, dance laugh, enjoy the way you feel at the end we are lucky now and can choose where to go. Even if we go to other country or other style of party so what's the big deal??
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Spasm
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Posted : Jan 29, 2008 21:03
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Of course they are part of it, its dance music, most of it underground, for party people, to enjoy themselves.
As for the aesthetics, to me it doesn´t really matter if you like techno, or trance, or between, to me is the same.
Dont really care about the way a person looks, that's not important to me, because to me, we are one.
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Of course they are part of it, its dance music, most of it underground, for party people, to enjoy themselves.
As for the aesthetics, to me it doesn’t really matter if you like techno, or trance, or between, to me is the same.
Don’t really care about the way a person looks, that's not important to me, because to me, we are one.
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If I was an alien from space and the only thing I had to learn about humans was isratrance, sure me too would think that parties is the only thing in life, because this IS a trance forum.
What should we talk about? Politics?
For your information I don’t even go to trance parties that much.
We were having an argument here, clean and simple, want to join us?
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Ellon
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Spasm it seems to me you had a change in taste and want to convince more people to join....
btw i agree: we are one....that all dance music unites people in some way (wish all the world would be able to dance all together).....that the more genres= the more diversity/ mind opening etc....pretty clear and understandable arguments....
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i agree with Ellon (just not to repeat the same concepts over and over).....the vibe is different and despite the efforts....the music generates different energies/spirit= translated in the drugs use.....one heading towards psychedelia one towards chemicals (but leave this aside....its for another discussion...just to prove a point!)= translated in more dispersed mix party gathering rather than intense ritual experience....
when you quote "that our music is the most diverse and innovative around (me)" please dont say my ego is the one saying this....if then, to demonstrate your idea, you just show how many people follow it (top of the selling chart??).....i see some controversy.....in your arguments not mine...
i justify that assumption by looking at: the number of new artist people know/heard the first time per month (more), the number of tracks released in a year by every artist (more), the number of collaborations/ fusions around (more),the number of effects and variety in a track (more), and the difference in the structure/ beat/ effects between different genres inside the style (more diverse) and how these evolved/involved......compared to the other dance music!.....and in a shorter time period!!
these are not difference in tastes of other people, it just shows how diverse and innovative our (or maybe i should say my) music really is.... got my point?
I never said psy is the best....(doesnt matter to me.....the number, charts, marketing etc...it is what i feel)....diverse and innovative doesnt mean best especially when music is soo subjective....most people enjoy pop because they remember the lyrics and can sing to it......that is not diverse and innovative but can still be the best (for some people)!!!should i listen more of this too??
then you say....aesthetics dont matter and in your first reply admit you got tired of the scene because of too many "psyless" people.......more controversy!
""i'm more into more experimental, tech/house dancable, creative, deep music (see the definition of psychedelic). ""......
definition.....who needs it when you had the experience.....tech/house more exprimental??where??creative??how?deep?eh?....no definitions please.....
regarding the mixing the styles in festivals....dont say boom is mixed.....while for another 6 months or so we still remember the beauty of a purely psy fest!!
UP included minimal because in Brazil the scene is commercial (ive been to parties there and some, obvioulsy not UP that is 5 years i try to reach, are real pop concerts)!!!
On this community ive read loads of good comments on the goa stage, but didnt see any at all on the minimal stage.....i wonder why?
btw on your generalization that techno is same family of psy.....samba is also a "dance music"...same family?....hawtin has marketing/banners everywhere..."underground" as he sold the most albums???...mmmm...."party people" like gabbers you mean?...."enjoy themselves"...isnt what everyone aims for??
I need to stop now.....i can see we have different point of views....i would say: opposite...
as this tho is a (isra) trance forum.....leave techno/minimal/electro etc where it belongs!!
if you want a mixed festival with psy i can suggest Glastonbury.....(or Burning man?)...they already existed for years...leave boom alone...(or better bring more live perf., suomi, digital country (now thats a news.....), etc)
again nothing personal....we are one...
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Spasm
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Posted : Jan 30, 2008 19:58
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I agree with you on several points here, but some of it I strongly disagree.
First I’m not trying to convince anyone to enjoy the music I like, that’s impossible, it’s a path and different for everyone.
What I was doing was disagreeing with someone that does not want the music I enjoy in a festival that I’ve been since day 1.
And the crazy thing about it is that I’ve listened to music of my taste since the first edition.
Not everything of course, but most of it, and In later editions, I already had a time zone on the festival for the music I appreciate.
So its nothing new, not here in Portugal or in any Festival in the whole world, with exceptions of one or two more fundamentalists.
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Of course, or else give me another accurate way of knowing which kind of music is widely spread.
Music taste is subjective; the same goes for opinions about music, about quality, and so forth.
So you have no other way of really knowing but by the people who buy the music, so I don’t see any controversy… I really don’t.
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excuse me?
The number of new artists people (?) know? I don’t understand.
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Well if you take 2 days to make a track sure you can release 150 track a year, but not even one is decent, and all go to crappy record labels, and don’t even try to hit a big one, that’s how it works.
As for good artists they don’t release more then the rest of the EDM artists I can assure you that, and if they did, who cares, this is not a marathon.
he number of collaborations/ fusions around (more),the number of effects and variety in a track (more),
Number of effects I agree. Variety? Don’t think so, technical skill, pretty much the same, there are good and bad artists in any genre.
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Sure maybe, but I prefer less confusion, and better understanding of the dance music core, and groove.
got it, hope you got mine.
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No controversy at all, I would have said stupid people, but I prefer to call them psyless, not so harsh, but stupid people you can find in any genre of event, the problem is that in my country there are a lot of them in psy events, so I avoid these events.
tech/house more exprimental??where??creative??how?deep?
How?
Dude, you need to hear a decent James Holden or Ritchie hawtin mix, or production, a thousand times more experimental, and creative and different from the rigorous trance pattern, imo of course, it goes way off the boundaries of EDM, and believe me I’m not the only one who thinks this.
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And the boom isn’t?
I thought you weren’t so naïve.
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yes but samba did not create trance, techno did.
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it will be in a alterative set in the boom festival, and I’m very happy about it.
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maximjou
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Posted : Jan 31, 2008 04:49
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