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John
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Posted : Jan 24, 2008 20:57
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And as for UK trance or Commercial trance and underground house... I have heard a lot and never felt THAT much depth as i could find in psychedelic scene and I notice a lot of people at these party's usually get wasted on alchohol and if they cant control their mind and body how can all be present 100% in that moment physically n mentally to that one source...
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Your obviously going to the wrong parties - why does anything that isnt psy have to be commercial? And to say that any party that isnt psy is full of people that are pissed is just clearly nonsense. There's a whole wide world of music out there - with people just as passionate and into their music .. I always find it quite ironic that psy - which espouses opening minds etc- can often be one of the most closed minded genres around... |
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Mad Purple State
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Posted : Jan 24, 2008 23:31
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You're getting my statement wrong my friend... I didnt state 'Commercial Trance' as a degrading thing... i was just implyin the genre... I think PVD , Tiesto , AVB all the way to Chicane can fall under this wonderful catogery... You may call it something else... Love trance or just Trance or UK trance... but its also known as Commercial Trance and thas a fact.
Dont get me wrong... This IS beautiful music. I own every Full album release of PVD and Chicane and I love this music. Lots of great musicians out there.
I went to this festival last summer in Mont Pellier (France) called electromind which had 4 stages and 25K people attending it. It had big acts like Carl Cox , David Guetta and stages like electro , Hip Hop/Trance , Tribal Hardcore and DnB.
Even though there were 25K madhatters... the vibe was hardly electrifying. I never said there arent people in the rest of the genre's who arent dedicated listeners or possess more passion in their intrests as we do. The topic is about collective energy and that I didnt see in that concert or in the Fatboy Slim show that i attended 2 years ago.
What i did see in both these shows are guys tryin to hook up wid women ... and drinkin a gazillion beers... I'm just writting down exactly what i saw... not what i heard from people ...
And i dont know if you're makin a general statement bout people who listen to psy being close minded or you're pointing that to me... If its towards me... please dont state it just cause you thought so ... cause im a music lover... and I listen to everything from Psy... to Classical Indian and from Arabic music to Hardcore thrash metal... take me from Opera tunes to Ska Punk Rock... and from Micheal Jackson to Japanse Folks... Love them all bro... It all touches me deep.
Boooooooom n Peace.
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John
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Posted : Jan 25, 2008 01:18
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On 2008-01-24 23:31, Mad Purple State wrote:
You're getting my statement wrong my friend... I didnt state 'Commercial Trance' as a degrading thing... i was just implyin the genre... I think PVD , Tiesto , AVB all the way to Chicane can fall under this wonderful catogery... You may call it something else... Love trance or just Trance or UK trance... but its also known as Commercial Trance and thas a fact.
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Commercial trance is - of course - by definition - mainstream & commercial. Whats I'm saying is that there are lots of non mainstream genres of dance music beside psy trance.
I've gone to plenty of acid techno or deep house free parties out in the hills with the same vibe as psy parties... |
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Posted : Jan 25, 2008 10:43
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On 2008-01-25 01:18, John wrote:
I've gone to plenty of acid techno or deep house free parties out in the hills with the same vibe as psy parties...
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I have the complete opposite experience....as i moved to a tecnho/D&B country with a massive underground scene in both and almost none in psy, i end up going to several parties in 2007. The vibe as nothing to do with psy gatherings....nothing. Though its held in the wild (forest) i could say that it is the only thing in common.
I will skip the music because it is not the issue here.....No cool/art deco, ultra-degrading atmosphere (destructive), the people (majoraty) have a shity attitude, the use of substances is without meaning or judgement or pleasure (i guess)....violence (all sorts). One thing i can say that really appealled to me - the parties are underground and free but the attitude is all wrong. No vibe.....
I dont like tecnho but i like D&B so it was not a case of music intolarance....i was left with the feeling that there was a lot of people trying to soak their problems with drugs and alienation
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Magox
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Posted : Jan 26, 2008 15:04
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Ellon, you just havnt gone to the right parties. Out in California they have these incredible Moontribe gatherings with wicked techno and breaks that have a very similar feeling as some of the psy gatherings.
They're there, you just have to find them. I'm sure if you were exposed to the right parties you'd feel differently.
It's slightly narrow minded to think that the psy scene is the only scene with good vibes.
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XwhiteRabbitX
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Posted : Jan 26, 2008 17:17
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for me one stage only, x-dream and the delta playing live from dusk till dawn. |
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Ellon
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Posted : Jan 27, 2008 13:57
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@Magox
Maybe i havent been to the right parties but nevertheless im talking about the specific scene in this country - and its a really big one!!!!!! Moreover talking to some people attending and playing there i was left with the feeling that this urban-degrading atmosphere is actually part of the scene...somehow it has more of a punk-vibe!!!
Also i dont think psy-secne is the only with good-vibe or cool atmosphere....my point was that the vibe in these two realities is very diferent and i didnt get the same energy....but actually this is subjective to the point of the people i meet in the free-tecnho parties completly despise what they call the "fake", bullshit happiness of the psy-scene and its colourful gatherings....
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Lesser Soul
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Posted : Jan 27, 2008 15:25
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"but I feel Dark Music is part of the whole preparation to fly together as twilight hits and we burst with energy in the morning... (Personally I feel Dark is a Mental Connexion to the music and Morning is the Physical Connexion. All the Dark Boys mite disagree with me on that) and together it gives you a complete experience"....well i am in total agreemtn with you here Dark is the Mind Factor so to say ...and morning physical energy ...
as far as the vibe ...the familia feeling at parties an musical gatherings goes ...have u never felt the tribe feel at just say common outdoor rock events ...nbnot the entire lot but yes .. a few pps did connect and feel like a tribe ...but then ...like some one said above parties where the vibe is there but its more violent and pps basically trying to drown their sorrows and indulge in mindless alcoholism or substance abuse ...i a pure Psy gathering the same doesnt happen ...thu8s my person view " It Has To Do With The Music " ...ull never get the same feel with anything else ...i ahve witnessed right from 1990 onwards large gatherings of @ 500 plus pps in India but i never felt anything like the Psy Tribe feel ...before i went to my first Psy gathering ....and while Colin states that before the Psy there were othr influences and which were maybe similar or the harbinger of this ....they could still not harness the energy and keep it together like Psy trance does ...n thus the musica matters 
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Posted : Jan 27, 2008 15:31
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Ellon, you had to take this here, and now you're souding closed minded, and intolerant for all the world to see, good for you.
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So what do you sugest? Lets see one tent, one festival, BUT with no other genre of music but psychedelic (whatever that means to your own personal bubble).
What about any other kind of music influenced by psy, and in some cases much more psychedelic, like techno, minimal, electro, progressive?
Where would you play that kind of music, since the "one" stage would be just music of your likings, and specially made not to ruin your "vibe".
Would you please tell the folks that in your opinion that music should not be allowed in a "psy festival", however its been banging since at least 2001 in ALL major events? Please? |
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Dogon
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Posted : Jan 27, 2008 15:40
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atleast one stage & possibly as many..... diversity in musica, hence diversity in vibes.
But music wins in the end as thats the only thing common, what apart are interests that are subjective to every individual.....
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maximjou
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Posted : Jan 27, 2008 18:55
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theres time for everything, i must admit going to a huge festival with 30.000 people is amazing drinking,rolling,tripping, its chaos and its fun when evryone is just having a great time, no its no connection to the people, but sometimes getting fucked up and not caring to let yourself go is amazing. i think for the east coast the bisco kids know how to rage. on the other hand small festivals are also fun because you have a connection with people so its diffrent, but sometimes seeing 30000 people dancing at the same time like a wave BEATS EVERY FESTIVAL |
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Ellon
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Posted : Jan 27, 2008 19:25
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On 2008-01-27 15:31, Spasm wrote:
Ellon, you had to take this here, and now you're souding closed minded, and intolerant for all the world to see, good for you.
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So what do you sugest? Lets see one tent, one festival, BUT with no other genre of music but psychedelic (whatever that means to your own personal bubble).
What about any other kind of music influenced by psy, and in some cases much more psychedelic, like techno, minimal, electro, progressive?
Where would you play that kind of music, since the "one" stage would be just music of your likings, and specially made not to ruin your "vibe".
Would you please tell the folks that in your opinion that music should not be allowed in a "psy festival", however its been banging since at least 2001 in ALL major events? Please?
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@Spasm
You are misquoting me as it refers to what Colin wrote (advise you to read the previous posts and stop doing so). No intolarance here and also you have to tell me which are these major psy events that where so multi-musical. And im not talking about one or two appearences crossing over other styles. For your info i have nothing against generalistic events, playing several typed of electronic music. If you are from Portugal you must remember the various editions of Meco Festival with several stages (playing all sorts of electronic music), a concept really fine and unfortunatly gone. But i would not enjoy (and its my opinion) that by rule now all psy-trance events would became generalistic events....Im not discussing music tastes just the substituition of one concept for the other. For me both are valid and welcomed, for you it appears not. Another thing you keep pointing is this "influenced by psy, and in some cases much more psychedelic, like techno, minimal, electro, progressive?"....which i clearly desagree. It seems for you psy is just a music style like minimal or electro but its not....its a culture with many unique aspects, concepts and sigularities. So despite adopting the word psycadelic from its beginning, today it stands for this concept on its own. When someone refers to a psy-gathering and psy-music playing there it refers to features of this specific culture (music, aesthetics, etc...). So please dont put everything in the same case or try to sell this false idea that electro, tecnho are recognizable features of this particular culture. True you can have your trip with whatever music does it for you.
But the main point here is the multi-stage reality. Again read previuos posts in this thread before you start shooting your intolerant ways....some of us just refered to the loosing of the "one family vibe" if you start to have in PSYCADELIC-Gatherings one stage for Dark, one for Full-on, one for progressive-PSY-Trance, one for "classic" an so on....i rather see all these styles together in one space instead of separated into diferent areas. They all make sense to me in the same space as they carry if not the same energy the same background.
Finally, when people(a lot of them) go to a psy-gathering its not only to bang their heads to the music, it also as the ritual sense of reviving this culture in themselves, something not always possible in the out-side world. So for me and for many the disapearing of such reality is not something light or pleasant....so no intolarance here cause i love diversity in everything, but try to understand that this concept is dear and makes sense to a lot of people, this with no further costs to the multi-musical dimension...
Peace and take it easy, friend....
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Spasm
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Posted : Jan 28, 2008 16:54
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I think you seem to fail to understand is that psychedelic music has changed, a lot.
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This specific culture has changed.
You will have to deal with this sooner or later mate.
The scene changed; no more you see psy events with all kinds of psychedelic music, from tech trance, to night, and full-on, then progressive, or whatever. Today you do to an event to hear the same kind of music banging for 12h.
The definition of psychedelic explains:
“A psychedelic experience is characterized by the perception of aspects of one's mind previously unknown, or by the creative exuberance of the mind liberated from its ostensibly ordinary fetters.”
in Wikipedia
First page, first paragraph.
You see, I’m demanding, I don’t go just for the vibe, and I’m just as good as person as the next guy. If I want to have a real psychedelic experience, I must be challenged by the music, if I don’t have “the perception of aspects of one's mind previously unknown” it gets kind of boring to me.
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Ok you disagree, but I don’t.
I personally think that most music made today from the classic psy culture doesn’t fit the “the perception of aspects of one's mind previously unknown” category, or basically it has no psy innit, but a rerun of old music played over and over and over and over and over…
Or it became faster but with the same structure, and in fact in most cases it seems to have lowered its standards, in terms of quality and deepness of basic dance music.
It was psychedelic back in the nineties because it was always different and new, that’s why people have more fun when they hear something that they never heard before hence the good old days.
However, the real difference between you and me, is that you don’t see me opening a post saying, “Should dark or boring full-on be banned from the scene since it clearly is not psychedelic anymore from the definition of psychedelic itself!!”
I don’t care, I don’t find it psychedelic but if people still enjoy dark and full-on, go ahead, live and let live, some of it its still kind of fun too.
Or why cant we ALL just get along
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Spasm
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Posted : Jan 28, 2008 17:07
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Meco festival was a concept comercial festival from a phone service. Commercial music, sponsored buy the gov. and other companies, had TV, radio, full coverage and promotion, and it had a trance stage. A good thing i must say.
But the organizers didn't had a clue of what they were doing, or what conditions they were ofering to the people, failed, happens every day.
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Posted : Jan 28, 2008 17:35
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i really dont see a connection (nowadays) between the enrgies, people and spirit at techno festivals and psy parties.....i was a great lover of techno but when you discover the psy beat/trip/experience/energy why go back to more simplistic/ different (worst imho(bad vibe)) energy??....i really dont see a point.....
why do we (as psy listeners) with the most diverse and innovative music around should be mixing with less advance music( apart from jazz, funky, classical, some electro, chill, ambient, and obviously any kind of live)....just to feel open minded....mmmmm....not sure!
i say more diverse and innovative because when i look at producres/artist in psy i cant keep up with the pace of new excellent producers let alone all the different projects and releases from the "old" artists (and thats only for night music and suomi...imagine i included full whatever+prog etc)....
when i look at the line up of i love techno, love parade and all the parties i went to like 5 years back...the names are the same...the tracks are remixed.....(ok generalized) but def. a big difference to our scene....
i feel that people who say that festivals now have the same music banging for 12 hrs(ex forgotten ritual....twisted 24/7)....dont know what they are talking about...they just didnt reach the level where you are one with music and recognize that alien mental is way different than derango?! for ex.
and dont get me wrong.....in my perfect party i would have a little more variation.....but when you need to experience a tribal dance.......where does electro, prog or techno come into the picture???
boh?!
and to support this.....forgotten was one of the first "full power twisted" music only festival...which we didnt see before boom 06...the scene is changing alone...evolving...(at least at night)...why bring more genres and loose the connection..??
referring what colin said....i feel that back in the day we had more the same kind of people in these parties...travellers, hippies....more of the same energy.....so the music didnt matter.....
actually you were always hearing different sounds (never heard before) so I can imagine the buzz.....
leave techno etc where it belongs....more lives if you want variety!!!
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