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nobody_3
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Posted : Jan 2, 2004 20:02
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if she thinks her kid wants to be there, then let her decide for herself 'cause she's the mother and she probably cares a lot and knows her kid better than we do - at least that's what I gathered from her (well-written) letter.
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Sorry but I dont think she's fit to be a mother... But of course that's my opinion. One thing is for sure... If this happened in Denmark and someone called the cops she would for sure have a lot of explaning to do in front of the social workers here. I am sure America have quite similar laws as Denmark when it come to children and how their parents treat them. And btw how does she know what her child want? her child is only 2 years old !
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sir eel
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Posted : Jan 2, 2004 21:06
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well, I think if the parent tricks or bribes the child to go to the party then, thats not very nice. I just asked my 2-yr old if he would want to go to an all night party with fun music and stuff, he said no, 'because it's bad'.....so, there ya go. 2 yr olds are not as stupid as you might think (maybe yours will be). Not only that, but if you grow that kid in you (which you can have no concept of as a guy) and then give birth to it, feed it from a little sprog into a two-yr old, you do have a clue about something.....
if you see a kid at a party, maybe instead of vibing it out, you should go talk to it or the parents and see if it's having an ok time, if it looks like it's a bad scene, and if you don't approve, tell them you are having a bad trip because their kid is there, before calling the cops. please.
again, what's with all this calling the cops and social services?! are you people crazy or stupid!?! Most parties are illegal, most people are on drugs and highly bustable and besides, whoever were to call the cops would have a lot more enemies at the party then this mother!
the end, bye, I hate people that talk shit like this but would never have the guts to go and tell someone what they feel before calling the cops.
time to play with my kid! who, is rockin out some beats on his casio keyboard....obviously there are people here talking out their ass who are spewing opinions on things they havn't got a clue about. |
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On 2004-01-02 21:06, sir eel wrote:
well, I think if the parent tricks or bribes the child to go to the party then, thats not very nice. I just asked my 2-yr old if he would want to go to an all night party with fun music and stuff, he said no, 'because it's bad'.....so, there ya go. 2 yr olds are not as stupid as you might think |
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I think you are missing the issue. For sure, the parent should ask the kid if they want to go to the party. If the kid says yes, great! But you cannot ask a kid whether or not she wants to wear earplugs. That's fucking stupid! What the hell can a 2 yr old understand about hearing & deafness, and such things?
The ability to make decisions is being over-valued in this thread. The ability to make INFORMED decisions is what should be valued!
Let us say you go to the doctor, and he discovers you have some illness. He believes you need to have a particular surgery for this illness, but before he can do the surgery, he needs your consent. "Of course" you say! The doctor cannot do anything to you without your permission.
But of what value is this consent if he does not explain the risks or benefits to you? The doctor must get an informed consent. S/he must explain all the possible good and bad outcomes. INFORMED.
Having the risks and benefits explained to you is not enough! What if you do not have the mental capacity to understand the risks and benefits? For example, children, the severely mentally ill or mentally retarded, and those with dementia are not allowed to make their own medical decisions. They must be judged to have competency, either by a court or a psychiatrist, or else someone else must make their decisions for them. This is because they are not capable of fully understanding the risks and benefits.
Do you object to this? Do you think a 2 yr old child should be allowed to decide whether or not she will get a surgery? Clearly the 2 yr old will be able to say yes or no, but of what value is this answer if they can't understand! |
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bluespectralmonkey
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Posted : Jan 5, 2004 20:33
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hey isnt this thread about omnitribe?
come out to the next party to see if that kid is there!
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Localsky
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Posted : Jan 6, 2004 07:37
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On 2003-12-15 23:16, DiMiTry wrote:
There's absolutely nothing wrong for a kid to see people dancing, tripping, doing whatever else. Kids who are exposed to things grow up faster and smarter.
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If you believe kids who are “exposed to things” prematurely grow up faster and smarter, then do you as well believe that the child who is sexually abused also grows up “faster and smarter?” I know that is an extreme comparison but it should show you the folly in that way of thinking.
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Localsky
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Posted : Jan 6, 2004 07:51
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I just asked my 2-yr old if he would want to go to an all night party with fun music and stuff, he said no, 'because it's bad'.....so, there ya go. 2 yr olds are not as stupid as you might think (maybe yours will be).
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Wow, you just convinced me!! Your right, two year olds can make decisions for themselves!! Honestly, I don’t know what I was thinking before. I guess all the kids I have been around have not been as “smart” as your child. Next time I am unsure of something and don’t know what to do – I will not be afraid to ask the advice of a two year old. They can make sensible decisions for themselves, right? Why not me? Thanks!!!
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offthenutboom
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Posted : Jan 14, 2004 00:09
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Could everyone stop judging.  You are a bunch of control freaks.  Let ppl carry on with their lifes without impossing these facists laws. So I saw kids @ Burningman, and @ trance parties and hopefully they will grow as open minded, free spirited souls... not prejudice assholes. If you do not like it don't do it, but let others follow their path in life. 
If parents want to develop their kids with trance as a way of life, no one should lash out their wrath because their ass is too tight.
Funny thing this topic has gone all accross the globe already and everytime I read it I just think of our self professed culture of open minded ppl.
There is an epidemic of rage in this planet, it is spreading faster than any virus.
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cubensis
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Posted : Jan 14, 2004 01:12
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prejudice assholes
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no one should lash out their wrath because their ass is too tight
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There is an epidemic of rage in this planet, it is spreading faster than any virus.
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Ha! Your post seems more filled with rage than any other post in this thread. What irony!
AFAIK this is a discussion forum. If you don't like to see people discussing something, then WTF are you doing here?
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offthenutboom
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Posted : Jan 14, 2004 04:56
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I was smiling when I wrote it And that is the ultimate irony. I love to see discussions... But, come on, it seems half of the world wants to parent this kid. I am sure the actual parents value your moral judgement, but I just went through 30+ emails about hearing problems, and I learned loads about police measures and social workers.
I do not know maybe the parents should get a lawyer just in case. Let the system resolve it If you want to freak GOA HEAD but IMHO I feel like you are a prejudice tight asshole with very small faith in the decisions of the real parents. They are the ones who should decide.
As for me I will keep on typing my so there is no confusion. |
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Localsky
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Posted : Jan 14, 2004 06:31
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call me close-minded, not free spirited, unenlightened, fascist...
time will tell how these kids turn out.
I know when I have children they will not be dragged to trance parties.
They will grow up not being pushed into trance. They will decide what music they like for themselves (when they are ready) and I will not decide for them.
As a matter of fact when I have children I will never do another drug again. Why? Because when I have children I would not put my health in danger because I know if I do, I will put my children in danger... Children are a responsibility not baggage.
And for someone that believes themself to be so “opened minded,” you do not sound very opened minded to me.
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nobody_3
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Posted : Jan 14, 2004 13:42
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I guess some people in this forum are so caught up in their little druggie/trance world that they have forgot what it will say to be a responsible parent
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offthenutboom
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Posted : Jan 14, 2004 17:46
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Localsky, whenever you have children you can educate them as may want to and that is the point of the story
Elysium I personally I am not cought up in any druggie/trance world. And what is a responsible parent? Are you coming from a Eurocentric perspective? Are you a parent yourself? Kids will become their own. I know plenty of growups right now , whose parents brought them as babies to concerts and gatherings... They are allright. THey have never touched a drug and they are what you call responsible parents. Again let the parents do their job, however they see fit. |
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nobody_3
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Posted : Jan 14, 2004 19:43
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The point of the whole story is that there are parents out there NOT fit to be parents for many reasons... One is drug abuse and another is pure stupidty and total lack of knowledge about childcare ! That's a fact
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Posted : Jan 14, 2004 20:38
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Just to fresh up your memories!
The whole discussion started with me writing about how disturbing it was to see a dad dancing while holding his sleeping baby , right in front of the speakers.
I do NOT see the "open-mindedness" in this act.
I do NOt recall my parents dragging me in to parties, but today I enjoy all the parties I attend. Not only electronic music. But any party.
After all has been said I think a sleeping baby belongs to a bed not the dance floor.
And this has nothing to do with being open minded or not. It's simply a fact. Consideration. And respect. To your kid.
PERIOD.
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offthenutboom
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Posted : Jan 14, 2004 21:39
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Hi Smoked,
Even if I am personally against it, even if I would never do it. I am not going to take the right away from a parent to parent his kids. It is his judgement, his right. We all make mistakes, but that is for us to realize.
It is not the act of this parent that is open minded, or how the parent is open minded person to dance with a sleeping kid. It is all of you all of you who have to be open minded, instead of burning him as you display in public his guilt.
Show a and bring some love to this world.
Elysium,
Since when did you become a judge. Are you a father? Are you a perfect person? Are you clean from sin? Is your spirit clean? Have you ever made a mistake? How did you learn from that mistake? Look @ yourself first.
I usually help to provide a solution, like helping this guy get a babysitter from a pool of friends, help the kid, help the parents and make this world a tad better. Find solutions.
Instead you are choosing to take the right of parenting from this guy as a punishment... For me you are a tad radical But, if this is how you want to ride your life go ahead radical away.
BOM!
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