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Posted : Jun 2, 2008 02:59
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On 2008-05-31 15:30, psycho-italiano wrote:
My friend, psychedelic music ((in other words PsyTrance))! Doesn’t need any vocals/singing in order to explain to us how to think and what to think about.
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I don't mind how you make the music. As far as I am concerend there are no rules. If the end result is music, then great, you can call yourself a musican, a software expert or both. Honestly who cares what tools or techniques you use to make music, if it works for you then great.
I look forward to the day when we can make music without software and without instruments. To the day when we can download the music from our heads directly into a sounds system. It has to be possible, I am sure some aliens already have that technology. The thing is our imagination is the best synthesizer and instrument, it is soooooo fucking wicked. because to go through all the trouble of trying to recreate what we hear in our heads with software and instruments seems a bit primitive in terms of practicality. Like talk about making things hard. If only we could just project the music in our heads directly into a amp/speaker. The same goes with the visuals. I know this sounds like magic but it has to be possible.
I can't wait for that day.
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Posted : Jun 2, 2008 18:11
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On 2008-06-02 02:31, xrust wrote:
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On 2008-05-31 15:30, psycho-italiano wrote:
My friend, psychedelic music ((in other words PsyTrance))!
sorry ,i find this sentence wrong
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Doesn�t need any vocals/singing in order to explain to us how to think and what to think about.
man,the above link was just a random example.here is another,without vocals
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The best part of psychedelic music, is once you understand a true psychedelic, then it doesn�t matter what�s your language: Greek ,English, Hebrew, Italian, Russian, etc..� anyone can understand it.
Its one shared language for everyone� it becomes like intuition�
And psychedelic music is designed for mind! Not for soul directly (but we keep using the word �soul�, me too using it by mistake)�..so once your mind RIDE the psychedelic music correctly then your soul is awake�.and the chaos starts �
ok i agree with all these
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there is only one map for entering to another place and break the matrix you are stuck in. ===>>> super psychedelic trance only.
and you call this an open mind?well.then i guess back in the hendrix and joplin days it was no psychedelic at all,thank shiva for psytrance came and introduced us all the true psychedelia *sorry for sarcasm *
well excuse his partisan politics- we are on a psytrance forum after all...
i dont consider much of 60's psychedelia that psychedelic.
but i've always had an aversion to lyrics and words and singing and all that...
i have many friends who swear by the psychedelic poetry of Grateful Dead lyrics etc... and there must be something to that... but just because something is psytrance or psyrock doesnt mean its actually psychedelic...
when i did an ayahuasca session i nearly flipped out when the other participants picked up a guitar and started destroying entire universes with chord changes and singing and words...
then the shaman smiled and it was his turn... with just a simple rattle and also using his voice he made something of such subtlety and truth that i didnt even notice he was also singing. he was not singing in that songy kind of way though and was very conscious of each and every vibration that occurred...
that is psychedelic to me.
the consciousness that vibrations are coming from you and the awareness of their impact on others and the world around you...
very few people have the subtlety to not abuse the power of the sound system and actually play with taste, and sensitivity...
very few tracks are actually psychedelic...
mostly i trust the softer people because at least they will not abuse the trust...
many just want to bang it hard and will step right over the others to do so...
its a very rare individual who can both burst out with confidence and hesitate and watch... each at the right minute...
most people are either too bold and pushy or too timid and never stepping forward.
but for music psychedelia is the key- sensitivity...
jazz strikes me as some of the most psychedelic music for this reason...
but i wonder- did you ever take any psychedelics mr Xrust?
that would explain your outsider point of view regarding all this...
when you know what messengers your mother gaia can send you and how they tell their messages then many things make sense...
i recommend a camping trip in nature and some good friends if so...
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Posted : Jun 2, 2008 19:13
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On 2008-06-02 18:11, ocelot wrote:
. but just because something is psytrance or psyrock doesnt mean its actually psychedelic...
actually this is what i was talking about when i said "so called psychedelia"
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but i wonder- did you ever take any psychedelics mr Xrust?
that would explain your outsider point of view regarding all this...
well,i did had my times every now and then(not much though,something like half acid every six months),both in parties and outdoors without music.i never had a bad experience,and i was always more into acid for the "having fun" part,not for the "psychedelic"part.
but i think we have gone totally offtopic here
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Posted : Jun 2, 2008 20:28
On 2008-06-02 02:31, xrust wrote:
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I look forward to the day when we can make music without software and without instruments. To the day when we can download the music from our heads directly into a sounds system. It has to be possible, I am sure some aliens already have that technology. The thing is our imagination is the best synthesizer and instrument, it is soooooo fucking wicked. because to go through all the trouble of trying to recreate what we hear in our heads with software and instruments seems a bit primitive in terms of practicality. Like talk about making things hard. If only we could just project the music in our heads directly into a amp/speaker. The same goes with the visuals. I know this sounds like magic but it has to be possible.
It's like this when you find that golden album, or when a certain DJ creates a magical set. It feels the same way. Like the music you're hearing is exactly how you want it to be.
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Too much truth in there to bother quoting it all. Much like hearing that golden album being exactly what I want to hear, Aaron's words here are exactly what I feel (about psychedelia and those that create it musically).
Whether coming from a computer science background or a musical background, so long as ego (heart, mind) is left behind and the soul is what resonates in the music, and that soul resonates with yours, that's where the magic is.
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Posted : Jun 2, 2008 20:41
the above quote was aluxe's ,not mine Signature:
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Posted : Jun 2, 2008 22:37
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, if its the extreme melodies you are after then sorry metallica is bad example maybe Death is better and no one has come to make such complex music not only in trance but also in metal hehe
. Elad... I cannot thank you more for bringing this up . Metallica is prolly a good example of being classically heavy. Their scales and patterns are complex to a certain extent and very much derived from classical music. But hell, they rnt tht complex that u can think of. On the other hand, Death, a real gem of a band, a band that really stands out in those hoards of nonsense so called deathmetal bands.... simply stands out when it comes to complexity. Their riffs, drum patterns,leads are just inspirational. I suggest one to hear different kinds of music to get the best out of everything.
Having said that... i would suggest everybody... be it a non/metal rock listener.. or a complete electronic enthusiast to check out one of their instrumental tracks called Voice of the soul from the album Sound of Perseverance. Listen to that and then u wld understand why the track was named so.
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@ Elad, i can bet tht u wld have never missed this!
Gettin back to the topic, Elad did give a valid point with an example of the programmer and givin him cubase. Music comes from within and the rest are just tools to get it out. The only difference here.... is that the guitar/drum/violin/ is substituted by the vsts and the computer. If u r musicaly inclined then it will come automatically no matter watever the tool is. The musical great , Late Luciano Pavarotti, himself admitted to the world that he did not know how to read or write music. So, Imo, its difficult to choose from muscian and software expert. Because obviously softwares and vsts can never reproduce the sound of a real instrument. So u gotta keep workin till u somewat reach a similar sound. This could be achieved with a musical knowledge or with a natural inclination towards music.
So my cent would be neither the two, but a culmination of both.
boom!
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Posted : Jun 3, 2008 07:20
metallica's patterns and used scales are really really simple... they played early stoner, heavy, and thrash ffs..
you could easily mention Tool, Orphaned Land or even Dream Theater, not Metallica
ps. btw ..and justice for all (album) IS in my top10 of all times.
ps2. but again, metallica are not complex
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Posted : Jun 3, 2008 10:41
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On 2008-06-03 07:20, piko_bianko wrote:
metallica's patterns and used scales are really really simple... they played early stoner, heavy, and thrash ffs..
you could easily mention Tool, Orphaned Land or even Dream Theater, not Metallica
ps. btw ..and justice for all (album) IS in my top10 of all times.
ps2. but again, metallica are not complex
bro if u exclude the drums , metallica are top notch musicians.
the drums are the basics and in the end why not,its only rock n roll
and since we started on metallica,at the "some kind of monster" documentory at one point hetfield said that the proccess of making a track is
1 a jam to conclude to an idea
2 pretool sessions on the jam
3 rerecording the right parts to make it solid
after seeing many quality producers producing in front of me I realised that the great tracks they arranged they were made with the same proccess
and u cant jam if you are not a musician
perhaps at the early stages the tweaka,as mario says (cheers bro),can do the work but in the long run only tweaka is not enough and thats where music takes over
the music technology helps the music to progress and that happens since forever
someone discovered the organ,then the piano,then the drum kit then the synth , then
someone discovered cubase.
I cannot understand why some people beg to differ so much and put so much power to seperate themselves from the other scene.
is it about the bookings again?
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Posted : Jun 3, 2008 11:19
ok, so for all complex melodies warriors here… when I said Metallica’s & iron mainden melodies are complex, that was a relative compare!
I meant to say its complex and very advanced comparing it to psytrance. I didn’t compare between metal bands…coz there is a hugs variety…and for sure there are more complex meldies than mettlica in that field. not here!!!
And complex doesn’t mean: psychedelic.
Complex thing for produce might be most simple melody….. but that simple melody is super challenge for average psytrance producer…..then why to think complex and hard, while you can just download music tabs from p2p or google…..then copy past to your cubase…..haha so genius.
Best example: Iron Maiden - Fear of the dark
That melody maybe not so complex for your ears, but its super complex to be written…..now you know the song then it sounds easy……but hey….there is some dudes here that stole it and sold a track made of that song melody: “fear of the dark”.
Btw, that guy/s is/are very famous full on old artist/s….i will not mention his/their name/s. but i can give a hint: try to figure out here:
http://www.psyshop.com/shop/CDs/tip/tip1cd037.html
And that was only one example.
p.s. that track really was produced very nice! but many credit goes for Iron maiden too.
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Posted : Jun 18, 2008 20:04
technology was always connected to music.
most of the major bands in the world of music were successful not just because they were good musician but also because they got ahead of their time in production technologies.
today a top artist should be not just a musician but also a producer, Dj, PR...you see were im going to...
for sure there lots of engineers in this music business but what can you do? Lots of small time labels allowing this and release their music.
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Posted : Jun 18, 2008 21:04
All musicians can be software experts.
Not all software experts can be musicians.
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Development comes through experiments, no trying, no succes.
I think by making music with software, you DO get better as a musician, at least if you "try", its an instrument like anything else, and practice makes master.
I like this genré because it contains/offers; evolution and a frame for experiments - taking it further - working with cutting-edge technology.
Trial/Error is essential to get anywhere, so dont see that as a bad thing, otherwise we were stuck a long way back.
Stuff changed over the years.. When this genré first saw daylight, computers sucked. So in fact the plug-in user was not needed, you didnt even need to know how to use a computer.
Both the music and the sounds went through a serious evolution, and over few years all the instruments and machines, went into the screen. An army of electronic components were put aside.
This of course also affected the pop music industry, everything was digitalized.
Today, being a new musician, you dont have a choice; Be a computer geek or give up ...the alternative would be costly and very annoying to work with....
Before very few had the oppotunity to make this kind of music, now most people can get the equipment in a day.
Result is: more artists, more sounds, more music, more different kinds of music and perhaps a more diverse quality factor...
Somehow i guess you didnt have the same freedom before, to make whatever suited you 100%, as you probally would take your music-making extremely serious, due to the price of the instruments etc.
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