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Elad
Tsabeat/Sattel Battle
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Posted : May 29, 2008 14:25
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On 2008-05-29 07:58, HiGheR^AcCeSs wrote:
progressive and Chillout are examples of genres where no artist would last in the long run without reasonable musical skills. Not too sure its the same with dark and full on production.
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offcourse it is
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Si Harmonic
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Posted : May 29, 2008 15:33
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I have to say i also think it depends on how your are trained musically.
Personally i don't have classical or traditional musical training playing an instrument etc.., i understand a different musical language, i tend to work in frequency not musical scales.
I understand envelope and transient shapes in the same way that somebody who reads music may understand notes on a score and i can visualize these shapes in amplitude, frequency, colour and density of the sound. This isn't to say its any better or worse than any other musical training but its different and is just as valid imo.
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kin beat
IsraTrance Full Member
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Posted : May 29, 2008 16:35
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wow the greatest topic in a while!!!
thanx for it Vicky!
Well here I do have to agree with Mr Rich and his previous words, I have also played bass and guitar and even sung for a long while in a punk/hardcore band, learned guitar by force at age of 3 due to my dads talent and musical skills. So when I sit in front of the PC and get my oxygen 8 to work along the VST and all that stuff I just cant stay there for over 2-3 hrs, however i do help others with my ideas and musical knowledge to write their tunes,(notes,scales etc) and even make some others for me to play when I Dj, and thats kind of funny because some of my friends actually get me as a crash test buddy, hey i made this and think it may fit within your set, you know they are software geeks and thats how i call'em you know they get all the pieces together on the sequencers and actually make it sound like i had told'em...
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psycho-italiano
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Posted : May 29, 2008 21:31
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Well, well, well…
All depends on the person’s mind and his welling to success.
An advanced software user that respect him self well study soon or later music in order to jump for upper levels and gain more knowledge.
I remember my self as a software user with no music skills in the past….my music was sux.  but I knew to use the software very well, and make killer synthesis and fx…
But later on, I noticed that I must very urgent to study music, so I started to learn alone keyboard and guitar, then I noticed that I need a teacher, so I went to a teach and tokk lessons from him….and I could gain a lot of experience
within 2 years, but I still learn non stop music and create in the time….
These days I’ve released some nice tracks and own few labels
And still improving and extending my activities in music, to other genres additional to psytrance…(metal, R&B, POP and more labels will be on).
Music knowledge is must. but in psytrance there is need for very basic music knowledge (i mean you don't have to have the same knowledge of 20 years composer in order to create amazing track, no matter if its full on, progg, chill…) ….coz its not metal….no complex melodies or buildup….and this is why many non-musicans can catch those structures…;)
Classic music is the best school + guitar course + piano…..
But in psytrance, the most important is the sound quality….coz it doesn’t matter how good is your melodies and structure……if the sound sux, then the whole package sux, and quality sound production can win. (fat and clean = such as Israeli full on, astrix, etc…)
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The_Guardians_Of_Truth
Atma
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Posted : May 30, 2008 00:09
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On 2008-05-29 21:31, psycho-italiano wrote:
Classic music is the best school + guitar course + piano…..
But in psytrance, the most important is the sound quality….coz it doesn’t matter how good is your melodies and structure……if the sound sux, then the whole package sux, and quality sound production can win. (fat and clean = such as Israeli full on, astrix, etc…)
peace
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The problem today with the psytrance is that it become too simplistic...i can't find any complex psytrance anymore. It's not only the sound quality problem...but it's a problem about story behind the track, the construction of the track, the atmosphere...
I see on this forum peoples talking about many things, like spiritualism, philosophy, nirvana, golden numbers and lot of shit...
Sorry but all this are just bullshit talking because i can't find anymore any of this in todays psytrance... All i hear today is simple "dancefloor" oriented music (full on, psrogressive..)with no complex melody, harmony, construction... or, shitty mind blowing noisy dark stuff.
Artists wanna see peoples dancing on his music and that's all. Sorry, but psytrance is not just about "dance" or "burning your brain". We can dance on latino music as well or take drugs on techno music..lol
Where is the spirituality gone and who is responsable for this ?
Well, we know the answer...it's the 15 years old software freaks who have no ideea how to create a story in music and all they do is 4/4 rhythms with sound effects or HPF noises on top of them.
How can we stop this?
Hmm ..well i think it's up to the label owners in the first place!
If i will be a label owner i will ask from a musical degree before i sign an album from a new artist. hehe
Seriously.., I would never invest money in a 15 years old "wanna be superstar", because it is obviously that i will lose money from the start !
I know it is an utopic idea...but..There is still hope ! 
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Elad
Tsabeat/Sattel Battle
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Posted : May 30, 2008 00:33
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On 2008-05-29 21:31, psycho-italiano wrote:
Music knowledge is must. but in psytrance there is need for very basic music knowledge (i mean you don't have to have the same knowledge of 20 years composer in order to create amazing track, no matter if its full on, progg, chill…) ….coz its not metal….no complex melodies or buildup….and this is why many non-musicans can catch those structures…;)
Classic music is the best school + guitar course + piano…..
But in psytrance, the most important is the sound quality….coz it doesn’t matter how good is your melodies and structure……if the sound sux, then the whole package sux, and quality sound production can win. (fat and clean = such as Israeli full on, astrix, etc…)
peace
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bahh
i want complex melodies and buildups
what do you meen 'in psytrance' , maybe you meen 'in shit psytrance'
fat and clean is not enough , this u can say on cat too
i want beautifull exiting melody that touch me inside and thats not happening from basic simple music (tho some astrix does) |
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vegetal
Vegetal/Peacespect
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Posted : May 30, 2008 00:33
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On 2008-05-30 00:09, The_Guardians_Of_Truth wrote:
I see on this forum peoples talking about many things, like spiritualism, philosophy, nirvana, golden numbers and lot of shit...
Sorry but all this are just bullshit talking because i can't find anymore any of this in todays psytrance...
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Sorry but what does Nirvana, spiritualism have to do with creating music. I think i know what your refering to thou, you mean that feeling when you hear a track and you just love it, no need for words to describe.
Perhaps you should look in other genres instead of burying your head in psytrance.
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Artists wanna see peoples dancing on his music and that's all.
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Well isn´t that the best feedback you can get? just smiling faces to your tune. That means more to me than some guy coming up and says "killer set bro"
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We can dance on latino music as well or take drugs on techno music..lol
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Yeah cause we have NEVER done one pill when listening to psytrance. Perhaps a SXE festival for psy is next
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Well, we know the answer...it's the 15 years old software freaks who have no ideea how to create a story in music and all they do is 4/4 rhythms with sound effects or HPF noises on top of them.
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What? do you have any fact whatsoever to back up that statement.
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If i will be a label owner i will ask from a musical degree before i sign an album from a new artist.
Seriously.., I would never invest money in a 15 years old "wanna be superstar", because it is obviously that i will lose money from the start !
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Why do you think a degree would be a way of cerifying that the music actually appeals to you, you contradicting yourself when your talking about all this nirvana and spirituality in music, well a musical diploma isn´t the path to walkt if your looking for spirituality, thats what i think.
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psycho-italiano
IsraTrance Junior Member
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Posted : May 30, 2008 00:38
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On 2008-05-29 21:31, psycho-italiano wrote:
Classic music is the best school + guitar course + piano…..
But in psytrance, the most important is the sound quality….coz it doesn’t matter how good is your melodies and structure……if the sound sux, then the whole package sux, and quality sound production can win. (fat and clean = such as Israeli full on, astrix, etc…)
peace
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The problem today with the psytrance is that it become too simplistic...i can't find any complex psytrance anymore. It's not only the sound quality problem...but it's a problem about story behind the track, the construction of the track, the atmosphere...
I see on this forum peoples talking about many things, like spiritualism, philosophy, nirvana, golden numbers and lot of shit...
Sorry but all this are just bullshit talking because i can't find anymore any of this in todays psytrance... All i hear today is simple "dancefloor" oriented music (full on, psrogressive..)with no complex melody, harmony, construction... or, shitty mind blowing noisy dark stuff.
Artists wanna see peoples dancing on his music and that's all. Sorry, but psytrance is not just about "dance" or "burning your brain". We can dance on latino music as well or take drugs on techno music..lol
Where is the spirituality gone and who is responsable for this ?
Well, we know the answer...it's the 15 years old software freaks who have no ideea how to create a story in music and all they do is 4/4 rhythms with sound effects or HPF noises on top of them.
How can we stop this?
Hmm ..well i think it's up to the label owners in the first place!
If i will be a label owner i will ask from a musical degree before i sign an album from a new artist. hehe
Seriously.., I would never invest money in a 15 years old "wanna be superstar", because it is obviously that i will lose money from the start !
I know it is an utopic idea...but..There is still hope !
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Ok,
Let’s make some clarifications and clean the screen:
First of all, it doesn’t matter how old the producer is, 6 years old, 10, 15, 55, 99….1 million…….minus….
All I look for before I buy a track, is a killer track that fit the concept, label, style…my taste…..
Second,
You might hear a lot of commercial music today and non spiritual stuff due to one reason: those artists have chosen to be more exposed to this world… and this world seeks for simple music, not complex one or super psychedelic.
Super psychedelic music is for super psychedelic minds, and those are very few on the world = not a good money neither fame , and there is no enough chicks too .
But…!!! I don’t know why you are keeping to say there is no psychedelic tracks today?!?!?........there is a lot!
But if you all the day look about astrix, infected mushroom, Eskimo, etc… all full on producers, for sure you will not find any psychedelic tuff there today. (and it doesn't mean they made a crime, its their choice, we must respect everyone).
Look at 3rd vision label owned by absolum in france, all south Africa labels, India, Russia….there is a lot of super psychedelic tracks released there each year and very twisted, full of spirituality….
But if you keep looking at Israeli labels, you will never find psychedelic there…….the Israeli labels are dedicated for normal people….not psycho minds. And its not bad thing….but just said for a clarify, if you didn’t notice that
Peace friends….
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psycho-italiano
IsraTrance Junior Member
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Posted : May 30, 2008 00:53
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On 2008-05-29 21:31, psycho-italiano wrote:
Music knowledge is must. but in psytrance there is need for very basic music knowledge (i mean you don't have to have the same knowledge of 20 years composer in order to create amazing track, no matter if its full on, progg, chill…) ….coz its not metal….no complex melodies or buildup….and this is why many non-musicans can catch those structures…;)
Classic music is the best school + guitar course + piano…..
But in psytrance, the most important is the sound quality….coz it doesn’t matter how good is your melodies and structure……if the sound sux, then the whole package sux, and quality sound production can win. (fat and clean = such as Israeli full on, astrix, etc…)
peace
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bahh
i want complex melodies and buildups
what do you meen 'in psytrance' , maybe you meen 'in shit psytrance'
fat and clean is not enough , this u can say on cat too
i want beautifull exiting melody that touch me inside and thats not happening from basic simple music (tho some astrix does)
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Make a favor my friend……
Can you ever compare any psytrance tarck to iron maiden diamond creations, or metallica ?!?!?!
Ha???? They are genius, in fact, many psytrance artists steal a lot of melodies from them (I will not mention names).
Maybe infected mushroom was the most melodic psytrance ever. That’s it. And even they never can be compared to the gods of metal above….
I like heavy trance, not full on. But I don’t ignore that ASTRIX is one of the most successful artists of simple trance + skazi…
Don’t be jealous of them.
they are the best (of that genre).
peace
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Allegoric - Psynce
IsraTrance Full Member
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Posted : May 30, 2008 00:58
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On 2008-05-30 00:09, The_Guardians_Of_Truth wrote:
I see on this forum peoples talking about many things, like spiritualism, philosophy, nirvana, golden numbers and lot of shit...
Sorry but all this are just bullshit talking because i can't find anymore any of this in todays psytrance... All i hear today is simple "dancefloor" oriented music (full on, psrogressive..)with no complex melody, harmony, construction... or, shitty mind blowing noisy dark stuff.
Artists wanna see peoples dancing on his music and that's all. Sorry, but psytrance is not just about "dance" or "burning your brain". We can dance on latino music as well or take drugs on techno music..lol
Where is the spirituality gone and who is responsable for this ?
If i will be a label owner i will ask from a musical degree before i sign an album from a new artist. hehe
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with full respect to Atma
firstly
i think people talk here about spirituality because they know about it really and they talk when they know and i've learnt a lot from all of the people here and i respect them for that and can hardly pay the old members here ever for teaching me so much about psytrance and so much about spirituality and so much about truth....
secondly...
you say that "All i hear today is simple "dancefloor" oriented music (full on, psrogressive..)with no complex melody, harmony, construction... or, shitty mind blowing noisy dark stuff. "
now i ask you sir who are you to decide for me to like what kind of music and who gave you the right to apply it on a vast majority of people here that they will know about spirituallity only if it has complex melodies harmony,construction...
i tell u what...
I DON'T LIKE THAT SHITTTTTTTYYYYYY MUSIC.....and i never feel spiritual on that music.....
because since my childhood i've been listening to same sounds same chords which are melodious as you say because people just want to stick to what they liked once i.e same chords same kind of stories all the time...
are you not sick of those sounds ?? 
yeahh Dark or psychedelic music whatever u call it i like it... because it has so much undiscovered everytime and everytime i'm left with those new sounds to make a story of my own out of it...
and it gives me an inspiration to know myself more everytime and serach more truth....
i don't know much know about spirituality man i just know that i have to follow the truth anyhow.... that is my spirituality so it's not gone as you say.... so relax brother.
thirdly......
you talk about a musical degree.... ????
i've seen so many big artists never learning music from anywhere they just had it inside... (not only in psytrance)
for eg. Yanni... he never learnt music from anywhere if i'm not wrong and your melodies lovers loved his music.... 
i'm sure there will be many more... i just don't know much of melody makers...... 
booommmmmmmm
Truth will always guard our souls......
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Elad
Tsabeat/Sattel Battle
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Posted : May 30, 2008 01:04
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On 2008-05-30 00:38, psycho-italiano wrote:
Look at 3rd vision label owned by absolum in france, all south Africa labels, India, Russia….there is a lot of super psychedelic tracks released there each year and very twisted, full of spirituality….
But if you keep looking at Israeli labels, you will never find psychedelic there…….the Israeli labels are dedicated for normal people….not psycho minds. And its not bad thing….but just said for a clarify, if you didn’t notice that
Peace friends….
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haha please name us few!
try to not say hommega bne and compact lol
we know this and there is more labels in holy land!
doof and zaikadelic will be 2 jumping to my head fastest for sure also jolly fill music (israeli/russian) is not your 'normal peaople' music , altho i think we are more normal then plastic culture coke snorting in toilets commercial shitheads
and btw Atma , spirituality , inspiration and nirvana , is 100% helping to produce better music , in the long run , you can make 1000 albums sound like nothing special and 2 that are better then this 1000 , its all about quality not quantity , and not much want to make rock hiphop trance and jazz , why not focus on your best most favorite thing and master that to level that no one reach b4 |
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The_Guardians_Of_Truth
Atma
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Posted : May 30, 2008 02:14
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On 2008-05-30 00:09, The_Guardians_Of_Truth wrote:
I see on this forum peoples talking about many things, like spiritualism, philosophy, nirvana, golden numbers and lot of shit...
Sorry but all this are just bullshit talking because i can't find anymore any of this in todays psytrance...
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Sorry but what does Nirvana, spiritualism have to do with creating music. I think i know what your refering to thou, you mean that feeling when you hear a track and you just love it, no need for words to describe.
Perhaps you should look in other genres instead of burying your head in psytrance.
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Artists wanna see peoples dancing on his music and that's all.
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Well isn´t that the best feedback you can get? just smiling faces to your tune. That means more to me than some guy coming up and says "killer set bro"
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We can dance on latino music as well or take drugs on techno music..lol
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Yeah cause we have NEVER done one pill when listening to psytrance. Perhaps a SXE festival for psy is next
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Well, we know the answer...it's the 15 years old software freaks who have no ideea how to create a story in music and all they do is 4/4 rhythms with sound effects or HPF noises on top of them.
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What? do you have any fact whatsoever to back up that statement.
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If i will be a label owner i will ask from a musical degree before i sign an album from a new artist.
Seriously.., I would never invest money in a 15 years old "wanna be superstar", because it is obviously that i will lose money from the start !
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Why do you think a degree would be a way of cerifying that the music actually appeals to you, you contradicting yourself when your talking about all this nirvana and spirituality in music, well a musical diploma isn´t the path to walkt if your looking for spirituality, thats what i think.
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man, you are really funny...
First of all, you completly miss understand all my post...maybe u should read it one more time.
Anyway..it doesn't worth spending my time to translate...and you know why...
We already had some other discutions on a similar subject but on other topic.
To too many musical geniuses on this forum so i better quit now. I don't wanna get into fight again with the whole "army of darkness".
Peace !
NEW ALBUM OUT SOON !!!
"ATMA - Music Revolution"
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The_Guardians_Of_Truth
Atma
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Posted : May 30, 2008 02:24
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On 2008-05-30 01:04, Elad wrote:
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On 2008-05-30 00:38, psycho-italiano wrote:
Look at 3rd vision label owned by absolum in france, all south Africa labels, India, Russia….there is a lot of super psychedelic tracks released there each year and very twisted, full of spirituality….
But if you keep looking at Israeli labels, you will never find psychedelic there…….the Israeli labels are dedicated for normal people….not psycho minds. And its not bad thing….but just said for a clarify, if you didn’t notice that
Peace friends….
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haha please name us few!
try to not say hommega bne and compact lol
we know this and there is more labels in holy land!
doof and zaikadelic will be 2 jumping to my head fastest for sure also jolly fill music (israeli/russian) is not your 'normal peaople' music , altho i think we are more normal then plastic culture coke snorting in toilets commercial shitheads
and btw Atma , spirituality , inspiration and nirvana , is 100% helping to produce better music , in the long run , you can make 1000 albums sound like nothing special and 2 that are better then this 1000 , its all about quality not quantity , and not much want to make rock hiphop trance and jazz , why not focus on your best most favorite thing and master that to level that no one reach b4
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sorry bro...but i wasn't talking about my music here! I was talking about music in general, so please keep this kind of comments for yourself or tell me in privat.
As you can see, I never mentioned your name or any other names in my post so i don't understand why you feel offended !
What i do with my music it's my problem...i can do what style i want or how many styles i want and i don't have to explain myself to anyone for this !
NEW ALBUM OUT SOON !!!
"ATMA - Music Revolution"
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CT.Trance.Factory
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Posted : May 30, 2008 02:44
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Those who r playing SOFTWARE skills not music, NEVER survive as artists or score on a chart ... did anybody see any of that type made something?! ...
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vegetal
Vegetal/Peacespect
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Posted : May 30, 2008 11:33
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on : 2008-05-30 02:14 atma wrote:
man, you are really funny...
First of all, you completly miss understand all my post...maybe u should read it one more time.
Anyway..it doesn't worth spending my time to translate...and you know why...
We already had some other discutions on a similar subject but on other topic.
To too many musical geniuses on this forum so i better quit now. I don't wanna get into fight again with the whole "army of darkness".
Peace !
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Discussing is not you cup of tea i noticed.
And please stop trolling and leave out personal attack by calling me "army of darkness" , if you not the 15 year old "wannabe superstar" you refered to earlier then stop acting like one.
Sorry to hurt your feelings but this is a forum if you just want to rant about how bad everything is then i recommend you to start a blog instead of posting here!
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