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Musician or Software expert?

xrust
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Posted : May 30, 2008 12:44
i thing(and this is clearly a matter of personal taste)that the so called "psychedelia" is way overrated.i 've been listening psytrance for 10 years now,and i was always more interested in other factors in music.like,cuts,structure,groove,weird fx,rythm,smart samples.for some of you maybe psytrance is the revelation and the path to another dimension,but for me is just dance music and dance music's purpose is to make you dance and have a good and groovy time!if i want the key to psychedelia enlightment i will search for it in other type of music,or in movies or somewhere else.           Signature:



Elad
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Posted : May 30, 2008 20:08
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On 2008-05-30 00:53, psycho-italiano wrote:
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On 2008-05-30 00:33, Elad wrote:
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On 2008-05-29 21:31, psycho-italiano wrote:


Music knowledge is must. but in psytrance there is need for very basic music knowledge (i mean you don't have to have the same knowledge of 20 years composer in order to create amazing track, no matter if its full on, progg, chill…) ….coz its not metal….no complex melodies or buildup….and this is why many non-musicans can catch those structures…;)

Classic music is the best school + guitar course + piano…..
But in psytrance, the most important is the sound quality….coz it doesn’t matter how good is your melodies and structure……if the sound sux, then the whole package sux, and quality sound production can win. (fat and clean = such as Israeli full on, astrix, etc…)

peace





bahh
i want complex melodies and buildups
what do you meen 'in psytrance' , maybe you meen 'in shit psytrance'

fat and clean is not enough , this u can say on cat too

i want beautifull exiting melody that touch me inside and thats not happening from basic simple music (tho some astrix does)



Make a favor my friend……

Can you ever compare any psytrance tarck to iron maiden diamond creations, or metallica ?!?!?!

Ha???? They are genius, in fact, many psytrance artists steal a lot of melodies from them (I will not mention names).

Maybe infected mushroom was the most melodic psytrance ever. That’s it. And even they never can be compared to the gods of metal above….

I like heavy trance, not full on. But I don’t ignore that ASTRIX is one of the most successful artists of simple trance + skazi…

Don’t be jealous of them.

they are the best (of that genre).

peace




will make 2 favours

i dont need to compare anyone to anything , specialy not from diffrent genres

but if u ask so nice..

have u heard Ozric tentacles????
its like x100 more complex them iron maiden and 2 of them are Eat static.. so dont tell me they cant they are allready legends and only after become into trance!

and if he choose not use all the melody complex and crazyness from ozric sounds that we know he CAN do , since that how he think trance should be , its not have to be anything else!

you want some tracks that made me feel they are as good music as my favorite metal bands? thats easy , texas faggot , haltya , cosmosis , freq , jahbo , derango , andromeda , entropy , and many more from all rainbow of trance that i like , if its the extreme melodies you are after then sorry metallica is bad example maybe Death is better and no one has come to make such complex music not only in trance but also in metal hehe


its true some artists and we all know copy some metal riffs but this is maybe 1-2% of trance trakcs and done by few only. beside remixing is cool , the only thing i dont like is not give credit to who deserve it.

and be sure im not jealous in infected or skazi , and also i cant agree they are the best at all , maybe make most money but sure specialy skazi is aint nothing good about it for me as listener.
i dont have any idea how their life looks like or if they are realy as happy as me or as they wish for themselves , i can only hope yes and tell you im very happy the way im now and its completly not have anything to do with people i dont know personly



and back on topic

how many musicians dont use computer in 2008 ?
even with 100,000$ studio the most valuable thing (not money wise and exept talent) is the computer , take this out and u can work like in the 70's whoohoo
ocelot
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Posted : May 30, 2008 22:30
i would say that software usage and the ability to play an instrument are skillsets...
they are in service to music, which is something you have inside you and either feel the burning need to express or not.

music theory and music history and studying music represent the influence of the blood sweat tears and joys of generations before since eons and ages ago...

dont piss on their achievements for nothing... you should know whats been done and what we have learned...

there is resonance and the physical properties of sound as well. when pythagoras was rumored to have walked by a blacksmith and heard hammers striking the anvils and he wondered at how harmonious they sounded and then he found they were in perfect mass-ratios to each other- one anvil half the size of another and another 1/3 the size etc... and thus he discovered the logical basis for harmony - its all about relationships...
sure you can push the envelope and create a whole lot of dischord and dissonance- thereby producing tension in most people- some of which may enjoy it in a kind of catharsis...

in the age of relativism and poststructural thinking, 100 years after the serious composers in western classical tradition opened up to the possibilities of timbre (tone) and rhythm and dissonance as a tool, we see that anything goes...
surely, when crappy musicianship and blatant appeals to pop culture was rewarded with success (rock and roll- driven largely by the fact that its cheaper to book a 3 person band than a 100 person big band)
its no surprise to see that end up in hired dj's instead of the band, and so the bar is lowered yet again...

at the same time, as the bar is lowered, the tools for making completely orchestrated peices are very easy to get and use... they actually work together and in many cases you need never leave the software environment...

but in spite of these trends there is some amazing stuff out there... new stuff made every day...

you the listener, need to educate yourselves to find the good stuff amid all the shite...

what is good ?
what is not merely good enough. it also says something about your character - what you like, what you consider good... etc...

i learn a lot about someone when they tell me they think tis or that art is good... and explain why...



anyway- short answer-- computer music makers are not musicians but they make music

i usually say producer... and if there is confusion is say that i make music with computers...

i also play instruments and sometimes record them in songs but thats beside the point...

the song is made in my mind. i interact with the software and manipulate it to get the results i want...

a parallel example is my friend who is a mathematician- a company recently hired him and trained him in computer programming for a few months and then set him loose to make this software based on algorythms he had created...

you see his math skills were the real factor... they wanted a math guy. a real math guy...
and they figured they could teach him computer programming in no time at all- at least enough to implement what he needed to...

if they needed a general purpose or nuanced computer programmer he would be the wrong guy but they figured the math was too complex to just teach to any computer programmer....

about music- music people make themselves that way with willpower and interest from the bottom of their bone marrow... you feel it in your soul or not...
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Posted : May 30, 2008 22:53
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ocelot
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Posted : May 31, 2008 00:26
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On 2008-05-30 12:44, xrust wrote:
i thing(and this is clearly a matter of personal taste)that the so called "psychedelia" is way overrated.i 've been listening psytrance for 10 years now,and i was always more interested in other factors in music.like,cuts,structure,groove,weird fx,rythm,smart samples.for some of you maybe psytrance is the revelation and the path to another dimension,but for me is just dance music and dance music's purpose is to make you dance and have a good and groovy time!if i want the key to psychedelia enlightment i will search for it in other type of music,or in movies or somewhere else.




so-called psychedelia?
do you mean all this "psychedelic trance" nonsense?
what aspects can you separate off as "psychedelic" ?
can i buy a box of pure "psychedelic" ingredients in the music shop?
why isn't there an "acid loops library" sample dvd for "psychedelic?"

- in my book psychedelic means mind manifesting...

in order for me to dance or feel anything from the music i need it to speak to me.
it needs some depth and variety of sound
the tonal and melodic elements need some maturity, intelligence, and depth, etc...
and this is psychedelic- direct communication from the mind of the music maker...

its a quality rather than a genre...
in my book, anything intelligent and complex and sophisticated can be psychedelic...
its about a sensitive approach to sound
for a guitar player they say the tone is all in the fingers...

even if its only a bassline and some drums i should be able to feel some musicality and humanity in it...
ocelot
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Posted : May 31, 2008 00:40
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On 2008-05-30 00:58, Allegoric - Psynce wrote:
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On 2008-05-30 00:09, The_Guardians_Of_Truth wrote:

I see on this forum peoples talking about many things, like spiritualism, philosophy, nirvana, golden numbers and lot of shit...
Sorry but all this are just bullshit talking because i can't find anymore any of this in todays psytrance... All i hear today is simple "dancefloor" oriented music (full on, psrogressive..)with no complex melody, harmony, construction... or, shitty mind blowing noisy dark stuff.
Artists wanna see peoples dancing on his music and that's all. Sorry, but psytrance is not just about "dance" or "burning your brain". We can dance on latino music as well or take drugs on techno music..lol

Where is the spirituality gone and who is responsable for this ?


If i will be a label owner i will ask from a musical degree before i sign an album from a new artist. hehe





with full respect to Atma

firstly
i think people talk here about spirituality because they know about it really and they talk when they know and i've learnt a lot from all of the people here and i respect them for that and can hardly pay the old members here ever for teaching me so much about psytrance and so much about spirituality and so much about truth....

secondly...
you say that "All i hear today is simple "dancefloor" oriented music (full on, psrogressive..)with no complex melody, harmony, construction... or, shitty mind blowing noisy dark stuff. "
now i ask you sir who are you to decide for me to like what kind of music and who gave you the right to apply it on a vast majority of people here that they will know about spirituallity only if it has complex melodies harmony,construction...
i tell u what...
I DON'T LIKE THAT SHITTTTTTTYYYYYY MUSIC.....and i never feel spiritual on that music.....
because since my childhood i've been listening to same sounds same chords which are melodious as you say because people just want to stick to what they liked once i.e same chords same kind of stories all the time...
are you not sick of those sounds ??

yeahh Dark or psychedelic music whatever u call it i like it... because it has so much undiscovered everytime and everytime i'm left with those new sounds to make a story of my own out of it...
and it gives me an inspiration to know myself more everytime and serach more truth....
i don't know much know about spirituality man i just know that i have to follow the truth anyhow.... that is my spirituality so it's not gone as you say.... so relax brother.


thirdly......
you talk about a musical degree.... ????
i've seen so many big artists never learning music from anywhere they just had it inside... (not only in psytrance)
for eg. Yanni... he never learnt music from anywhere if i'm not wrong and your melodies lovers loved his music....
i'm sure there will be many more... i just don't know much of melody makers......



booommmmmmmm







you only say this because you never heard any complex melodies.

you are afraid of direct honesty and full revelation because you have been let down in the past- when a magical opportunity for a magical melody to emerge turned into an ordinary boring melody...

maybe you are confusing sentimental melodies with something that may raise the pulse rate and make shivers up your spine?

when i am making a night track i am also thinking of melodies the entire time- just that the melodies are more disconnected and its a bit more free in terms of tonic and key- things move around a lot more... its all about context...


but trust me- atma is speaking truth about searching for music that is actually made with the beauty inside it.
you should not have to imagine it only...

just because someone made "shitty music" as you say- doesnt mean good music isn't possible...

i just finished somethings recently with loads of fricking strange melodies in them-
i dont think you would find them very typical or like the past...

just like you think the "melodic music people" are out to get you, you are also their devil.

the truth will never allow for such silliness... its much bigger...
real music has no boundaries of domain but only seeks to create the perfect beauty that stirs the soul

much of music(tm) is only "sound"
only some is actual music...

we must try harder and go beyond
ourselves, our current abilities, and what we think is possible.
xrust
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Posted : May 31, 2008 02:10
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On 2008-05-31 00:26, ocelot wrote:

- in my book psychedelic means mind manifesting...



then propably you are reading the wrong book man,because psychedelic means SOUL manifesting..now in my book ,mind and soul is not the same thing

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in order for me to dance or feel anything from the music i need it to speak to me.



are we talking about music in general or about boom boom music?


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it needs some depth and variety of sound
the tonal and melodic elements need some maturity, intelligence, and depth, etc...
and this is psychedelic- direct communication from the mind of the music maker...


totally agree here,but i can find all those elements in other kinds of music

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its a quality rather than a genre...
in my book, anything intelligent and complex and sophisticated can be psychedelic...




as i said in my first post,psychedelia is very subjective and not easy to be expressed with words,so each to his own

here is something TOTALLY psychedelic for me
(if you could only understand the lyrics...)









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Elad
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Posted : May 31, 2008 12:53
btw , if you want the real answer
Musician or Software expert?

so u have to take software expert (any software but not music ones , lets say programmer for hi tech company) and give him to figure out cubase to make a track!

so he is software expert but not a musician where im not computer progrmaer altho i know to use one for creating real music

so the answer is - musician - software expert will not make something beautifull musical speaking even if he can figure out where to put in wav and how to open vst etc.
psycho-italiano
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Posted : May 31, 2008 15:30
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On 2008-05-31 02:10, xrust wrote:
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On 2008-05-31 00:26, ocelot wrote:

- in my book psychedelic means mind manifesting...




then propably you are reading the wrong book man,because psychedelic means SOUL manifesting..now in my book ,mind and soul is not the same thing




He Is reading the right book

Probably you were in another school…



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as i said in my first post,psychedelia is very subjective and not easy to be expressed with words,so each to his own

here is something TOTALLY psychedelic for me
(if you could only understand the lyrics...)

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=hU4h3pMNXfA







& you call this psychedelic….
Ok I see…

I’ll go abit off-topic now:

My friend, psychedelic music ((in other words PsyTrance))! Doesn’t need any vocals/singing in order to explain to us how to think and what to think about.

The best part of psychedelic music, is once you understand a true psychedelic, then it doesn’t matter what’s your language: Greek ,English, Hebrew, Italian, Russian, etc..… anyone can understand it.
Its one shared language for everyone… it becomes like intuition…

And psychedelic music is designed for mind! Not for soul directly (but we keep using the word “soul”, me too using it by mistake)…..so once your mind RIDE the psychedelic music correctly then your soul is awake….and the chaos starts


An old Chinese said once: music is like a map. There are many maps…
And there is only one map for entering to another place and break the matrix you are stuck in. ===>>> super psychedelic trance only.


peace


          Break The Matrix!
psycho-italiano
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Delete here. (duplicated by mistake)          Break The Matrix!
Dogon
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Posted : May 31, 2008 16:08
for me a mix of both, but more musical influence is better in IMHO

@Ocelot:           We were born naked & grow up to become wicked.
ocelot
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Posted : Jun 1, 2008 04:03
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On 2008-05-31 02:10, xrust wrote:
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On 2008-05-31 00:26, ocelot wrote:

- in my book psychedelic means mind manifesting...



then propably you are reading the wrong book man,because psychedelic means SOUL manifesting..now in my book ,mind and soul is not the same thing


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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psyche_%28psychology%29


xrust
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Posted : Jun 1, 2008 04:37
ocelot@we are probably meaning the same thing with slightly different words so no worries man

psycho italiano,too much questions,you confused me..
proper answers later maybe,as it is 4:30 in the morning after a saturday night out


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mk47
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Posted : Jun 1, 2008 10:04
if its a good track , who gives a flying fuck if the guy who made it can play the guitar ... still a musician in my eyes
xrust
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Posted : Jun 2, 2008 02:31
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On 2008-05-31 15:30, psycho-italiano wrote:

My friend, psychedelic music ((in other words PsyTrance))!


sorry ,i find this sentence wrong

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Doesn�t need any vocals/singing in order to explain to us how to think and what to think about.


man,the above link was just a random example.here is another,without vocals








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The best part of psychedelic music, is once you understand a true psychedelic, then it doesn�t matter what�s your language: Greek ,English, Hebrew, Italian, Russian, etc..� anyone can understand it.
Its one shared language for everyone� it becomes like intuition�

And psychedelic music is designed for mind! Not for soul directly (but we keep using the word �soul�, me too using it by mistake)�..so once your mind RIDE the psychedelic music correctly then your soul is awake�.and the chaos starts �


ok i agree with all these

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there is only one map for entering to another place and break the matrix you are stuck in. ===>>> super psychedelic trance only.



and you call this an open mind?well.then i guess back in the hendrix and joplin days it was no psychedelic at all,thank shiva for psytrance came and introduced us all the true psychedelia
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