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A.Rosengren
Solid Snake
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Posted : May 17, 2003 03:29
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Go namhaj go!!!
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error604
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Posted : May 17, 2003 12:26
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almost everything in the trance world is illegal, so why are we spending so much time discussing these like righteous people....we enjoy the music and the parties....that's what's important....
16 year old kids with ripped versions of Acid, Sound Forge, Reason and other such are creating tracks which sound pretty killer....and the music is changing everyday...so its pretty hard for all of us around the world to keep track of all of it without the internet and mp3 downloads are a huge boon for those who are purely in love with the whole movement, having no agendas to impress people with tracklists that have numerous UNR tracks.....
in my opinion, the culture of downloading has gone way too far into our people that there is no looking back.....
it also prevents labels from pushing some lousy talent/tracks on to unsuspecting buyers...here's an example..
if J.Lo has a contract with her label for an album and the deadline is nearing...she can put some crappy tracks on it and poor fans will end up buying it without a second thought.....the internet however helps some fans...who would rather find MP3s, listen to them and figure out what it sounds like....and if only one track is good, they may as well download it for their personal listening pleasure and save some hardearned money (even if it's his/her dads)....so downloads can be a boon for everyone....
Part 2 of tirade though is.....do we worry if a million people download J.Los tracks...no....why? cos we know that most of those kids donwloading them are doing it for personal listening pleasure....but there seems to be something here which alludes to a theory that everyone dowloading trance MP3s is a DJ or a wannabe DJ......which is really crazy.....
if every trance listener is a closet DJ, then there is a real problem.....imagine the next party in Goa with thousands of party people, each actually a DJ is his/her mind/country / wherever, showing each other their tracklists....with no music being played, no love being shared.....one big E-Go trip - MINE IS BIGGER (i.e more Unreleased - Level infinity).....why make this music at all!
Don't hype up the already hyped up disease of UNR tracks....there are way too many tracks being made everyday for ppl to keep a 'track' of (no pun intended).
i.e I may have 100 unr tracks of artists no one has heard yet...each of them being a killer track....what point is there is this.....there are a thousand guys on this site who post TOP 10s with 2-3 tracks of their own on it....those tracks are unr tracks usually.....do we all have to wait for some label to discover his sound and then buy it for our pleasure? it may just be too late....
i would love it if there were some tracks with the Matrix Reloaded samples in it today....even if they are unr tracks.....this is the time for it.....we can't wait for someone to make tracks today, play it at parties for six months and then give it to a label for a 2004 release.......
sorry, if i offended anyone.....
final note : i don't care about unr tracks....mp3 downloads tho are inevitable.....let's say there was a service like a weekly news magazine which came to your house every weekend at the same cost as the magazine subscription....with the newest killer tracks...i probably would be a subscriber! |
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Namhaj
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Posted : May 18, 2003 02:48
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i.e I may have 100 unr tracks of artists no one has heard yet...each of them being a killer track....what point is there is this.....there are a thousand guys on this site who post TOP 10s with 2-3 tracks of their own on it....those tracks are unr tracks usually.....do we all have to wait for some label to discover his sound and then buy it for our pleasure? it may just be too late....
Error604... what you have said in your post highlights one of the problems the music industry is facing, especially trance. The time it takes for tracks to get to the labels, be signed by one, then put together as a compilation, is quite a long time. The internet and mp3 trading has made music delivery form the artist to the listener so much quicker, but the downside is the quality is very average, and there is really no control, or i should say there is no place for people to buy the music they download, the only option is to wait and wait and wait until these tracks come out, or simply go download it. This is great for the listener (if quality is of no concern), but in the long run the artists will suffer if people only download their music. The industry (yes it is an industry our beloved trance music) has to change to suit the times or it will fade away.
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nobody_3
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Posted : May 18, 2003 12:16
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what about the quality? Very few of you seem to care that mp3's are of damn poor quality.
One thing is the sale aspect, another the quality of sound.
I want people to listen to my music as it was intended - in full sound quality - NOT a poor mp3 copy that distort and cut the music......
It's very very few people that have access to such a high bandwidth that they will be able to download AUDIO CD quality music..... let's face it..... 99.9% have ADSL, cable or dial up connections and will never be able to downlaod full quality music (unless they are willing to wait 10 hours to download an album).
So before the internet hit is's second stage and the bandwidth providers can offer extreme fast connections for little money it's utopia to talk about full quality bought and downloaded via the internet.
The fact remain that only and I repeat ONLY CD's are able to deliver full audio quality and therefore CD's are the best media at present.......
It's cool to download mp3 as a preview tool but for christ sake stop all your excuses and start to buy some music.... maybe cutting down on the weed and drugs willl make you able to buy a CD ? |
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Sputer
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Posted : May 18, 2003 12:22
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with the quality of some artists today... I dont care to listen to mp3 with 64 kbps. sad but fuckin true.
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Gilad Refael
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Posted : May 18, 2003 12:45
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what do you mean sputer?
the quality of production these days is super clear and better than ever.
musical quality is another thing  (i don't really know to which one you meant)
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Sputer
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Posted : May 18, 2003 13:25
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I dont mean to Simon, Infected, Psysex.......
I mean other artists. w'ont write here names sorry.
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traveller
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Posted : May 18, 2003 13:33
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well..
I still say that 256kbps encoded mp3 sounds pretty much if not exactly the same than the original source..
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nobody_3
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Posted : May 18, 2003 13:40
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traveller I think you need a ear cleaning
There's a huge difference from a 256kbps mp3 file and the real deal..... try and play the mp3 outside your computer on a hi-fi stereo and you will notice that the richness is missing and that low and high end has been cut to a minimum.
I think yiou will find very few people agreeing with you that the quality is the same..... well maybe the hardcore mp3 mafia will claim it's the same....... after all it's their business to steal music !!! |
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Ultra_FoX
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Posted : May 18, 2003 14:00
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NEVER!!!
Its the vibe that matters. |
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nobody_3
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Posted : May 18, 2003 14:10
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Panzer
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Posted : May 18, 2003 15:50
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It's very very few people that have access to such a high bandwidth that they will be able to download AUDIO CD quality music..... let's face it..... 99.9% have ADSL, cable or dial up connections and will never be able to downlaod full quality music (unless they are willing to wait 10 hours to download an album).
So before the internet hit is's second stage and the bandwidth providers can offer extreme fast connections for little money it's utopia to talk about full quality bought and downloaded via the internet.
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I disagree. Ever heard about the ISO scene for apps, movies and games? Its about as big as the mp3 scene. The average broadband connection will easily hit 100ks or plus. More than enough to down an ISO image of an audio CD in an hour or 2. |
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Gilad Refael
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Posted : May 18, 2003 18:02
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yup you're right. people even download DVD iso's (which are about 5gb) and burn, it's not that big problem.
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The0dore
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Posted : May 18, 2003 21:40
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Money...Money...Money!!!
Everybody talks for money.Arstists want to make money - Promoters want to make money - The trance listeners want to save money...
i dont blame anyone for this...money makes the world go round and make easy our lives BUT what has to do the trance spirit with the money ?
i know money is needed to support the industry BUT seems very badly to me to listen or read about money all the time (or many many times).
Well i suggest cause nothing will change to stop this or bring it to another base.
Also i want to do a question (i am not sure about the answer).
- A person who hasnt enough money hasnt the right to listen the music he loves ? -
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Tranceform
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Posted : May 18, 2003 22:49
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On 2003-05-15 11:58, Wako Jako wrote:
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Say, i really want a porche boxter 911. but hey, i'm a little short on cash, i can only afford a moped or a vespa. what to do... i know! i'll steal one! |
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the digital age changed the way ppl think about things.
ppl dont see it as stealing cause its a copy of a copy of a copy.
if you could copy that boxter 911 and make you a new one so that the original is still in the owner hands, will it still be stealing ?
its problematic.
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It's not problematic at all, CDR-copying or MP3-downloading is stealing.
It's stealing other people's time. When you make an illegal copy of a recording you're CD manufacturer's time, you're stealing label manager's time, you're stealing artist's time, you're stealing distributor's time, you're stealing a lot of other people's time.
After all the value of a product is based on the _time_ used to manufacture the final product from raw materials (Oil -> plastic -> CD. Wood -> paper -> album cover. Etc.). Everybody has probably heard the saying "Time is money".
Naturally there's also the law of supply and demand that affects the market value of the product, but that's irrelevant when discussing whether piracy is stealing or not.
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