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mp3 release groups.
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deebug
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Posted : Sep 8, 2003 15:15
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hey doodz..
the mp3 release-groups dont kill our music, the music gets killed by ppl who want to earn money and stop their job when this is unpossible.
im not a member of these groups but i know the structures, i was a member of paradox in the amiga-scene, even when its hard to compare these "scenes", bcoz u need nothing and no knowledge to use a mp3-ripper.
the ppl do it for "glory", nothing else, BUT they also do it bcoz the consumers WANT it.. this is the point.
lets turn psytrance to open-source. this matches the real spirit behind it, doesnt it?
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Mike A
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Posted : Sep 8, 2003 15:39
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Open Source = no profit
Making music = buying gear
buying gear = money
money <> no profit
open source <> making music
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traveller
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Posted : Sep 8, 2003 15:53
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ummmm..
i've heard that a certain (co?)owner of a certain online trance store is part of a certain mp3 ripping group..
this might just be a rumour.. then again.. maybe not..
why am i posting this? ..i've got no idea what so ever..
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Surrender
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Posted : Sep 8, 2003 17:00
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On 2003-09-08 15:53, traveller wrote:
i've heard that a certain (co?)owner of a certain online trance store is part of a certain mp3 ripping group..
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traveller, unless you wanna shed some light there is no point saying this rumour stuff... let the truth be told.
"On the other hand, you have different fingers."
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Basilisk
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Posted : Sep 8, 2003 19:15
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They do a good service if you believe that more sales are made through the try-b4-u-buy approach. If not, then the mp3 groups obviously seem evil. At least they are organized enough and maintain their own level of professionalism in what they do. If you leave it to the amateurs you get "releases" like Hallucinogen's Anesthonine or Paps' Shamanix or whatever - and that helps no one. Properly labelled mp3 releases usually contain all the information a person needs to physically track down a release they like.
You must remember - for most of us we don't live in a world where you hear a great new tune on the radio and then go out to buy it... and if you hear a great new song at the party, what are the chances you will find out exactly what it is? All that is left is filtering through short low-quality samples on a store's catalogue, which is hardly a very effective way to discover new music. Please, hands up all of you who have mistakenly purchased a CD you didn't like because the samples on the web had potential?
If there were a better alternative to downloading full albums in listenable quality for free, then perhaps people would take that route. At least now we have dedicated individuals with some loosely defined ethics (better than none!) that are not profiting from this grey area of music distribution! It could be worse!
Anyhow I'm not making much of a judgement either way... mp3 groups are here, whether you like them or not. There's no use living in some kind of fantasy world where you can say just the right words to enough people to make them never download an mp3 again.
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Drope
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Posted : Sep 8, 2003 19:25
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Grrrrrrrrrrreat atitude Basilisk...
I donŽt own any ektoplazm records cds but IŽll look them with a sweeter eye from now on...
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gkalpakas
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Posted : Sep 8, 2003 22:04
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I agree with all your points Basilisk, mp3 groups are here to stay and since there is nothing labels can do to stop them, they can find ways of benefeting from them.
It is only that human is conservative in nature and is afraid of change,
Major labels fought the radio as they fight mp3, but now radio is one of their major promotion tools.
Everybody can stick a tape and record the latest Shakira or Madonna chart single which gets played non stop on the radio, but still they are selling hundreds of thousands if not millions of copys. ok i know that our scene is not that popular and commerciall but the mp3 trading might help to the spreading of our music to new ears.
All mp3 releases are of lower bitrate , they are not the of same sound quality as the actual cd .
Those groups are prompting the people who downloading a release to buy it if they like it and most people i know do so.
Most of psy trance is disposable music anyway, i mean there is no value to it after 6 months
Our scene had a problem before the mp3 trading , what about dat mafia of the past, sessions in goa with laptops and all of those djs who get payed to play music but they never been into a record store to buy music?????????????
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Mike A
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Posted : Sep 9, 2003 00:58
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But when a song is played on the radio, a certain amount is paid to the artist.
How about legalizing the entire thing, and paying a monthly fee so you can download all the music you want? Artists and labels receive royalties and everyone is happy.
Let's say 10$ per month and you can download everything you want at 128kbps mp3 or an equivalent format. Want the good version? Go buy the CD.
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Inu
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Posted : Sep 9, 2003 02:37
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See, that's what I was complaining about... the notion of disposable music.
I still think there aren't enough of us -- word needs to get out to more people!
Maybe these mp3 groups can provide links/promotion to the artists they "borrow" from. psychedelik.com is a great resource, and I usually perk up my ears when they advertise something...
tiger got to hunt,
bird got to fly,
man got to sit and wonder why, why, why?
tiger got to sleep,
bird got to land,
man got to tell himself he understand. |
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Astral Mike
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Posted : Sep 10, 2003 02:20
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mp3's groups are bad? mp3's groups are good? well i'm not so sure...
anyway here is a case study from my recent experience in brazil. . .
brazil's trance scene is very young. BUT it's also massive (possibly the biggest in the world) with many international live acts flying in each week (who DO get paid for playing). this would never have been possible without the exposure that mp3 has provided.
the losers in this situation are not the artists but the labels. if the labels are to survive the 'internet revolution' than they should look at seriously at solutions such as that which 'Mike A' has just proposed.
"it's not quantity, but quality that counts"
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subconsciousmind
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Posted : Sep 11, 2003 13:17
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What actually was the original post?
"Making the psyscene opensource" release everything over the internet... but "having internet" is not everybodys case...
Everybody can download my whole first album (2000) from my website, but do you know how many mails I get of people who ask me to send them a "physical copy" because they are not able to download or burn? A lot!
From their friends email accounts!
We are FREAKS, we can not compare to the world...
Debug is right, it's all up to the comsumer...
The prices could be cheaper... just a little example
CD Production 1piece: 1euro
Label+artist get from distributor: 4-7euro (earn 3-6 euro)
BUT IN THE STORE I PAY 20!!!EURO...
You know what I mean?
And, if it's good music, music to listen more than twice, I buy it anyway.. but it's not often the case..
So if there is more musical (not technical) quality I guess consumer (we) will buy more cds again.
Most of my music for you to download at:
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Basilisk
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Posted : Sep 11, 2003 14:20
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Want to make a change and get some good music at the same time? Loopus in Fabula is selling their new album direct from their website ( http://www.loopusinfabula.com ) for a mere 12 Euros including shipping... that's not expensive! I was the first buyer - who's gonna be the second?
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Astral Mike
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Posted : Sep 11, 2003 14:50
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On 2003-09-11 13:17, subconsciousmind wrote:
but do you know how many mails I get of people who ask me to send them a "physical copy" because they are not able to download or burn? A lot!
From their friends email accounts!
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how many people had access to the 'net' 10 years ago? and now how many?
how many had a fast connection 3 years ago? and now how many?
how big was the trance-scene 5 years ago? and now?
imo, this topic should look to the future. and ask how labels can adapt and take advantage of this phenomena. |
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medir
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Posted : Sep 11, 2003 15:12
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...that s my minds too, astral mike !
apple showed the way for a download-concept, universal thinks about drop the prices and the www becomes more and more popular...let s wait what the future brings us...
bomski
experiment !
make it your motto day and night.
experiment,
and it will lead you to the light.
the apple on the top of the tree
is never too high to achieve,
so take an example from eve...
experiment ! |
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subconsciousmind
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Posted : Sep 11, 2003 15:14
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On 2003-09-11 14:50, Astral Mike wrote:
how many had a fast connection 3 years ago? and now how many?
imo, this topic should look to the future. and ask how labels can adapt and take advantage of this phenomena.
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Some people I know just don't see the virtual world as a real world, and will never start using it. In switzerland 6or 7 from 10 housholds have an internet connection, and still I have these requests...
Most of my music for you to download at:
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