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More & more fluff :-(

Janux
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Posted : Nov 22, 2006 22:21
I cant help but notice how much of the morning music being released these days has so much fluff in it.... so please excuse me while i rant....

see the thing is i really like morning / day music call it whatever u want... full-on... if u wanna get into names i really like 'night-full on' too.... but what i consider good morning music, my idea would be good dance music with power & a mystical sound... morning music can even have dark elements in it with an over all positive feel to it... or it doesnt eve have to be positive, but the overall sound has an open, searching, upward forward moving feel to it...

but it seems that slowly what a lot of people consider morning music is just plain fluff... (happy synths la la la, cheesy samples) music that goes on & on with no variations

i mean its got to a point that some artists that i consider great morning music... when i tell the names of those artists to others they say "Oh they make night-full on"

What?! we dont live in a la la la world so where is all this la la la sound coming from.... well i guess there are people who like it, thats why its around, i just dont find it psychedelic at all.

lot of morning music is become like 'club trance' if you wanna play the name game that is.

someone help me!
(though really i'm fine... its kinda fun searching through lots bad music to find the good stuff....) i have my theories about why the music is happening the way it is, but wanna hear other peoples ideas
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Magox
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Posted : Nov 22, 2006 22:29
i believe that is just part of the 'evolutionary' process........i know we use the term 'evolution' alot.........and it does sound 'tired' and 'worn out'........but the fact of the matter is that 'evolution' exists in many things........if it doesnt evolve........more likely than not..........it will die out.............

so just to keep things 'fresh'.........there will be all sorts of new sounds coming about........

as the 'psychedelic' scene becomes larger..........it is natural that we will hear all different sorts of sounds from all 'spectrums'........

having said that..........'commercialism' comes with the territory........and i would have to say 'fluffy cheese' could be categorized as 'commercialism'...........

I do agree.........that much of the melodic music for me is "cheese" as well.........i wont name name's.........but we all know they are out there..........and i think it is good.....obviously there is a market for it........or else they wouldnt still be producing........

so we have music for many people now.......there is music for all the 'dark' and 'disturbed' people.........there is music for the 'sunshiny' people.........music for the 'twisted'........music for the 'chunkadelics'.......and music for the 'cheesy'.......

the good thing.........is that you dont have to listen to it..........we can choose to listen to what we would like........

for me my favorite 'morning' music is in the progressive side of things.........like soulsurfer, sensifeel, vibrasphere and etc...

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rajatrao5
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Posted : Nov 22, 2006 22:59
whats wrong with fluff? Artists continue making fluff only because listeners/audiences have enjoyed previous fluff, and the same trend will continue. Ignore tracks you consider as fluff and listen to what you enjoy...period.
Janux
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Posted : Nov 22, 2006 23:30
hmmmm. nice answers.

@ Magox. new & fresh stuff is great, whatever it is, but to me a lot of soundz that are fluffy are soundz that are not new... they are old soundz put into new music... they are soundz that have been around in all kinds of music since the 70's

and yes... for me fluff & commercial sound are kinda the same thing....

so here is the question....

is the fluff (commercial sound) an evolution?
or is it the beginning of the end?

in the past many forms of art form got destroyed once they became 'commercial'.

and yes, about progressive music.... i find that progressive music has less fluff in it.... morning full-on stuff has more fluff in it....

(I dont really think its the beginning of the end... thats what i love about trance, it kinda has to evolve.... but sometimes i get a little worried about what its evolving into)
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Soul Kontakt
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Posted : Nov 23, 2006 00:11
Yeah i totally agree with you Janux, I also love morning music with all my hearth but the stuff of today i cannot trip with it at all...It's the same all over again and melody wise it's a little bit too happy everytime! It's been a long time since i enjoyed a full festival only good moments come my way and then back to the normal routine fullon or whatever non psychedelic Psytrance. Yes i also agree that in the morning there should be some dark moments in the music or agressive also and then let the light shine after!

But don't worry i am sure there are people working to get the feeling we like man, and i am sure there are many who are waiting also hehehe!

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rajatrao5
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Posted : Nov 23, 2006 01:48
@Janux... I tend to believe it is evolution or a change in direction. I dont see it being the beginning of the end. With change in sound, an artist may have different motives, possibilites are change in the audience one is aiming at, change in the message the "new" style of music is trying to convey or just changing the level of exposure the artist wants his music to have in terms of mass digestability (such as the chemical crew boys). Whatever it is, new artists will be replaced by old, fresh sounds will continue and so will the fluff. Filter out what you enjoy and promote it
Take care
Rajat
Janux
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Posted : Nov 23, 2006 02:08

promote it i shall....

i'm workin towards releasing our first VA next year...
man... didnt wanna speak about it but this thread is bringin it out...
it will be called Dragon Style

Sidhartha, Inner action, Kali, Bio Genesis, Neuromotor, Karma crop, Abomination...

are the artists we have talked with so far...
now on the hunt for Menog... (you reading this mr. Menog

man, these are some of the artists who make proper psychedelic dance & mind dance music that can carry the night or morning....

www.soundspecies.com

once we establish the soundz we like then the hunt for new talent beginzzz
anyway this comp is still a little way away and i'm talking before doing so i better get to work
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candyman


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Posted : Nov 24, 2006 20:07
Janux, dude are u the guy who played after eskimo at the BL party?? if u are then man i love ur style.. i liked it much more than the main act..

anyways.. i understand what u mean.. i think in a way it is kinda commercialising.. maybe to attract more mass.. i've discussed this with my frenz.. alot of ppl go into psy after listening to fluff.. including me.. now i'm like a much harder morning.. twilight.. and i have a strong feeling i'll just move on to dark in a few years.. although i can groove to all kinds.. fluff just doesnt do it for me anymore.. maybe get a few parties on where u can play the above mentioned artists kinda stuff and ppl may enjoy more...

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Magox
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Posted : Nov 24, 2006 20:31
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On 2006-11-22 23:30, Janux wrote:
hmmmm. nice answers.

@ Magox. new & fresh stuff is great, whatever it is, but to me a lot of soundz that are fluffy are soundz that are not new... they are old soundz put into new music... they are soundz that have been around in all kinds of music since the 70's

and yes... for me fluff & commercial sound are kinda the same thing....

so here is the question....

is the fluff (commercial sound) an evolution?
or is it the beginning of the end?

in the past many forms of art form got destroyed once they became 'commercial'.

and yes, about progressive music.... i find that progressive music has less fluff in it.... morning full-on stuff has more fluff in it....

(I dont really think its the beginning of the end... thats what i love about trance, it kinda has to evolve.... but sometimes i get a little worried about what its evolving into)




in answering whether "fluff" is an evolution or the "begining of the end".....

i would say it is part of the 'evolution'......but we dont have to categorize the whole 'scene' with the 'fluff'....it is just a segment of the music......

and i do agree with you......a lot of the music is not 'fresh'..... with played out and reused loops and melodies.....


fluff' for me.......is something that i do not listen to at my home or even at festivals.....or at least i dont really go out and dance to it as much as some of the other artists....

but i accept it....and i believe that some of the 'cheese'.....has attracted some mice....

and maybe now some of the mice may change their diets and take a look into something else other than 'cheese'

i really believe that prog music is 'evolving' rather nicely....obviously not all of it.....prolly not even half of it as well.....but it' there.....you just got to look......

im sure you prolly allready know that....

good luck with your project...

respect
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*Karma Cola*
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Posted : Nov 25, 2006 04:33
@Janux

Dude.. i have become increasingly bored with psytrance in general. Call it what u will, but i dont see *that*.
Anyways, i have a soft spot for names that have a mystical sound to their tracks, like cosma, Logic Bomb, Aphid Moon, the old fatali and Hikimori.
But i keep findin myself listenin to the older tracks. Nuthn really new exciting cept for stuff by Entropy and Penta. But then i would play some Penta tracks in the morning.
As Magox said.. artists like Flowjob, Perfect Stranger and Jaia are really rather good. Try out the progg scene for some quality shit.           ~*** You can tell By the way i use my walk, Im a woman's man, No time to Talk***~
Yidam
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Posted : Nov 26, 2006 02:44
What started off as Goa trance is constantly diverging. Some music has actually got more psychedelic (to me that means more lines) and some just focus on the melodies that defined trance music. I'm getting sick of the genre game too so I automatically look for music thats out of the box... and there actually is some great new 'fluffy' music out there. Wouldn't call it psychedelic but I would call it trance.

Don't want to name them because out here fluffy means commercial/bad. Is it? People forget that it takes as much effort make a good melody as it does to layer effects and basslines.

*Karma Cola*
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Posted : Nov 26, 2006 10:49
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On 2006-11-26 02:44, Yidam wrote:
People forget that it takes as much effort make a good melody as it does to layer effects and basslines.





A good melody is a good melody no matter what. But you dont need to sacrifice psychedelia to achieve that. eg.. doof, GNOR, Filteria, Neuron Compost. A good melody without the added effect of composition could be pretty boring as we know.           ~*** You can tell By the way i use my walk, Im a woman's man, No time to Talk***~
IndiAlien
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Posted : Nov 26, 2006 11:14
Rinkadink - Sweat & Tears !!!!!!



I have to say i don't think it's so much an evolutionary step that more la la la music is coming out, as it is laziness on the part of some artists n them leaning back on formulaic music making techniques. I believe music is only as good as the approach one takes when making it.

Who knows tho, maybe i'm full of shit... depends on the approach u take when reading this

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Janux
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Posted : Nov 26, 2006 15:57
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On 2006-11-24 20:07, candyman wrote:
Janux, dude are u the guy who played after eskimo at the BL party?? if u are then man i love ur style.. i liked it much more than the main act..






Yes that was me

so candyman, u used to be candyman and now you are power-man heh heh heh.

@ Karmacola.... you like Penta for the morning / day? just curious, its interesting how certain artists are judged differently all over the world.... The first soundspecies party ever, was in NYC, indoor, and we brought Penta... while he was playing i remember thinking that I am sure there are people who would also like to hear this kind of stuff in the morning... i imagined it at a huge outdoor party in the cold climate ;-)
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Yidam
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Posted : Nov 26, 2006 20:48
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On 2006-11-26 10:49, *Karma Cola* wrote:
Quote:

On 2006-11-26 02:44, Yidam wrote:
People forget that it takes as much effort make a good melody as it does to layer effects and basslines.





A good melody is a good melody no matter what. But you dont need to sacrifice psychedelia to achieve that. eg.. doof, GNOR, Filteria, Neuron Compost. A good melody without the added effect of composition could be pretty boring as we know.




The artists you mentioned are very psychedelic... but its more than a melody that does that. Theres a lot more going on in the music. Tweaks, turns, layers ... They've got a nice balance of both. Have you checked out Ocelot - Dream Selector ? Very reminiscent of this kind of music.

What I was talking about was tracks like 'Rinkadink - Native American Beauty' or 'Astrix vs Delirious - Tel Aviv'. There isn't depth to these tracks but something about them still makes them 'Goa' ... This kind of music develops the feeling of uplifment and reaching a peak. Rarely do you find that in what you call 'psychedelic music' in 2006. And I really feel its a good melody that does this. You cant really mess around with basslines and effects and give the same feeling.




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