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Middle East Conflict Affecting Psychedelic Trance Scene

-=Mandari=-
Mandari

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Posts :  655
Posted : Jul 27, 2014 11:53:05
hey guys,

i just want to share my feelings on that issue. im not interested in taking any side. it just makes me sad how things evolve. found this group on facebook, which just needs to be shared:

https://www.facebook.com/groups/245984158931857/?fref=ts

scrolling down you will find this pic of simon and benji:

http://imgur.com/qZzUZhq

asking myself for the end of psytrance or if i even already missed it .... maybe years ago.... dont get me wrong, this just tops a long chain of negative thoughts according to our scene i recently often sadly get to..... and it makes me sad seeing a lot of those "openminded" pseudofeatherleathermumbojumbohippies jumping on the wagon, taking part in smth they know a shit about.... i mean just discussing is hard to me, how comes ppl take side in smth one logically cant favour any??

well, but pls dont give a f*#k for my thoughts! need to clarify this on my own

BUT pls do share your thoughts and feel free to do your best to inform ppl about such groups forming and getting hatred, rascism, fascism and wrong nationalism to the wrong gathering, the wrong culture!! those ppl just did not get the psyculture thingy and i urge everyone to remind those ppl in a mind and peaceful way who we truly are. emberass them, showing love, cause it very much seems, this is the only solution and the only need!! remind the good.

pls stop taking sides, stop putting anything than love into this pot. its not of any help.

PLUR
          FUCK GENRES, LOVE MUSIC!!!!
http://soundcloud.com/mandarimedia
http://banyan-records.com
Nectarios
Martian Arts

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Posted : Jul 27, 2014 14:13
Some big names in that group, people active in their scene, calling for these actions and congratulating each other for these actions, done to Simon and Benji, which is unacceptable to do, especially on a dancefloor where thousands of party people that never got involved into the politics and "hate spreading" between certain people, in the first place...and they have to ruin the vibe of a universal dancefloor to forward their own personal nationalistic agendas?

And some of the people in that group, you'd expect them to understand...after all, they are people that are in the scene and should know "we are one".

These things only cause division in a music scene.
It makes certain people look very bad.

I hope it stops. Now.           
http://soundcloud.com/martianarts
John
IsraTrance Full Member

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Posts :  768
Posted : Jul 27, 2014 14:36
There's a lot of talk in Europe about whether there should be an Israel boycott from artists in the same way as there was a South African boycott in the 80s.

As for an anti-anti Israel group - tbh I dont think anyone outside of Israel would be overly concerned - though maybe Simon Posford will have to find other lucrative markets to rinse the same set he's been doing for the last 15 years...
OzMike
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Posted : Jul 27, 2014 15:10
John, who cares if he's rinsed the same set? Wouldn't any of do the same if there was such a cash cow available?

Before this thread is shut I'm just going to say that this kind of behavior was very common amongst the propoganda machine of the WW2 Nazi regime. I don't care if this is an Israeli forum. That group is a disgrace to their own heritage. Israeli music has been complete shit in this scene for the last decade. Even more of a reason not to waste cash on their extremist crap.

I see Anjuna Records are a part of it. As much as I enjoy their releases I cannot support a label that's a part of that kind of behavior. Just threw all the CDs in the trash. Fuck them.           Revisiting the past.
-=Mandari=-
Mandari

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Posted : Jul 27, 2014 17:04
i particularly cant get my head around the attitude of this Ory Lang guy.... strange being. nectarios just give this one a try, just seconds ago appearin on my FB wall....

Ory Lang: "sorry but martian arts lied,nobody asked him to do this to benji,benji acted like an ass for over a year posting lies about israel while we are being attacked constantly,people have asked him nicely to stop using his name to spread more lies,he didn't,i doubt if he would post that indian people all smell and rape women you would like him too,you are more than welcome to eneter the group israel trance united and see for yourself who we are and what we posted,i wish you well and i hope you understand that sometimes people use their power to spread more lies,just like the one martian arts spread."


that guy seems to constantly dragg in whoever comes by and is not right mounted pro israel smth .... just those few linesspeak novels.... i guess he had a really pissed encounter smth.... not sure what he suffers from. well, i dont want to repost everything, just the fact he doesnt even know you, claims you to be a liar leaving the lie still open anyways....          FUCK GENRES, LOVE MUSIC!!!!
http://soundcloud.com/mandarimedia
http://banyan-records.com
OzMike
IsraTrance Full Member

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Posted : Jul 28, 2014 09:24
Actually I find the massive Ebola outbreak in Africa currently more concerning than these conflicts. 670 dead with at least two now occurring at major international airports. Though they say if it did leave Africa it'd mostly hit France first and destroy Europe & the Middle East/India & USA before coming anywhere near Australia. Yay for flesh eating disease!!


          Revisiting the past.
vipal
IsraTrance Full Member

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Posted : Jul 28, 2014 16:55
This Groups Purpose was born out of hate and ignorance; intro by the starter of this group. Pretty accurate description. Ignorance at such a peak level that he is unable to see its his own ignorance.

Yes, lets just hope it stops now and not poor to much energy into it. Its just lack of intelligence.           http://soundcloud.com/vipal
vector_0
IsraTrance Full Member

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Posted : Jul 28, 2014 18:10
can you just tell us the name of this group and what you're talking about?

People without a facebook account (like me) are unable to see that FB page.           http://soundcloud.com/rob-vector
John
IsraTrance Full Member

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Posted : Jul 28, 2014 22:57
Quote:

On 2014-07-27 15:10, OzMike wrote:
John, who cares if he's rinsed the same set? Wouldn't any of do the same if there was such a cash cow available?



Indeed - who wouldn't.

Now we've got that out of the way we can get back to sorting out the middle east...
OzMike
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Posted : Jul 29, 2014 06:11
It's a pro-Israeli anti-Palestine group based around the psy trance scene in Israel with numerous big names from labels, promoters and artists slandering ppl like Oood, Simon P & Benji V who are promoting a more moderate attitude toward finding a resolution to the wanton murder Israel is commuting in the name of "protecting national sovereignty".

It's also allowing said Israelies to behave in an offensive, right wing racist manner. It's allowing them to promote hatred and persecution for an entire race of other ppl. All that is needed is some skinhead hairstyles and it'll be complete.

It's the number one attitude i despise despite my trolling on here. Back in the 80's and 90's of Melbourne here during the prolific period of neo-nazi behavior that was quite similar I "worked" with some local anarchist & Vietnamese groups in reeducating these idiots in non-violent ways. It was god for a decade until I got bashed one night for being "a disgrace to my country & whites" as I dated an Asian woman as well, and ended up with a fractured skull & 3 shattered vertebrae in my lower back (steel called boot hurt a lot). Anyway yeah this facebook groups a bunch of nationalist quasi-racist psy trancers in Israel being dicks.           Revisiting the past.
-=Mandari=-
Mandari

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Posted : Jul 29, 2014 10:02
Quote:

On 2014-07-28 18:10, vector_0 wrote:
can you just tell us the name of this group and what you're talking about?




the group calls "Israel Trance United".... everything else been said.           FUCK GENRES, LOVE MUSIC!!!!
http://soundcloud.com/mandarimedia
http://banyan-records.com
-=Mandari=-
Mandari

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Posted : Jul 29, 2014 10:10
yeaa they just seem to reach ppl i never thought of takin a jump on that poor wagon..... ppl like Haim VectroElectro, Faxi Nadu.... etc. feel free to have a look for likes and comments. it thus seems to be full of racist artists too..... well i had to block faxi anyways exactly cause of that hardlining pro israel racist issue! sadly.....

dont get me wrong, i dont wanna blame anyone. i just feel wrong attitude and behaviour from ppl acting and working as an artist. this could get far more hairy than an Ory lang dude on his own, who seems to do a "great job".           FUCK GENRES, LOVE MUSIC!!!!
http://soundcloud.com/mandarimedia
http://banyan-records.com
TimeTraveller
IsraTrance Full Member

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Posted : Jul 29, 2014 17:04
would be good to have a list with all the racist musicians. I'm sure many would be glad to know which CD's to throw into thrash and whom to refuse in the future.
Maybe someone can clarify what's going on with Prometheus, does he support the genocide or not? Since he's a member there.
Colin OOOD
OOOD/Voice of Cod

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Posted : Jul 29, 2014 20:06
Benji is very questioning of the "israel is the victim" official line, and has written in support of a just and negotiated ending of the Israeli occupation of the Palestinian territories. Simon Posford has also expressed these sentiments, although less directly than Benji.           Mastering - http://mastering.OOOD.net :: www.is.gd/mastering
OOOD 5th album 'You Think You Are' - www.is.gd/tobuyoood :: www.OOOD.net
www.facebook.com/OOOD.music :: www.soundcloud.com/oood
Contact for bookings/mastering - colin@oood.net
Ricciardo
IsraTrance Junior Member
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Posted : Jul 29, 2014 20:40
This is something i really dont understand...

How come people who is suposed to enjoy psychedelic culture, wich is oriented to freedom, plur, hippies kind of view, end up to become radical nacionalist??

werent the israeli trance people against their own government years ago? i thought so...


About the conflict it self, i cant tell because there is too much propaganda on both sides, and i dont want to take any parts of it...

one thing i know, this world is fucked up, soon or latter there will blow a third war, there is too much fire starting right now, in many places, economical crisis, this will end up badly...

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