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Posted : May 19, 2013 21:15
don't know your music because don't listen to psytrance anymore but with atleast one point I fully understand you. Shpongle fees are way too high and this hype about how great psycedelic special spiritual etc they all are and that they deserve it for their hard work is funny as fuck from a distant perspective.
Also lots of talented guys playing for almost nothing or really nothing is another reality and a sad joke in this scene. Discusions of this kind and shitstorms are almost on agenda. Lots of egomania with fake plur attitude as a mask.
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Posted : May 19, 2013 23:35
@Login: Mmh, it`s very childish and stupid of you, to say that the music of mauxuam sucks. Firstly musical taste is very subjective. For nearly every music you will find somebody, who likes it, so that it is impossible or stupid to make an overall statement, that this music sucks. So, for example I like the music of mauxuam as well as many others who love to explore psychedelic realms of music. So, am I stupid too, login? And secondly you are just writing this statement, becaus you want to battle mauxuam, which is pretty stupid.
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Posted : May 19, 2013 23:49
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^ The end
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On 2013-05-19 23:35, Gunter wrote:
@Login: Mmh, it`s very childish and stupid of you, to say that the music of mauxuam sucks. Firstly musical taste is very subjective. For nearly every music you will find somebody, who likes it, so that it is impossible or stupid to make an overall statement, that this music sucks. So, for example I like the music of mauxuam as well as many others who love to explore psychedelic realms of music. So, am I stupid too, login? And secondly you are just writing this statement, becaus you want to battle mauxuam, which is pretty stupid.
Of course is just my opinion, but wasn't this topic about dealing with opinions that you may not like?
I think his music sucks, he thinks the way bookings work on this scene sucks. Nobody cares about either.
"The dedication to repetition — the search for nirvana in a single held tone or an endlessly cycling rhythm — is one of electronic music's noblest gestures."
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Posted : May 20, 2013 04:37
I don't think Shpongle live is a complete rip off at all, when you consider what you get in the band compared to other acts in the electronic scene that charge the same if not more for a single bloke and a laptop/cdjs (Deadmau5, John Digweed, Sasha, Sven Vath etc.).
I have never found spirituality in this scene. Not in the music, events or substances used. I have found spirituality in myself & in my choice of religion. I only like the music in this scene, because its complex & good quality. Most of the 90's electronic music to me sounds crap now-a-days but goa/psy mostly sounds real good still.
This scene needs to realize that the spirituality bullsh!t from the past is long gone, and that it needs to become focused more on the music & supporting the artists. Only then IMO will it be able to grow in a way comparable to every other music scene.
I know so many people who enjoy the music from this scene but just won't hire musicians for gigs because they find the whole hippy, PLUR, pseudo-religious aspects immature & difficult to promote.
I had a chat with a friend who is involved with one of the biggest EDM festivals in the USA, and I bought him a copy of Kamino Records "Universus Aum". He listened to it and absolutely loved the hi tech glitchy sounds, but he said its really difficult to promote because as soon as you mention l that its "psy trance" people think of drugs and hippies and this does not sell.
Once the scene is able to push itself past the whole psy trance ego trip of being some amazing independent spiritual experience I think we could see some of our musicians get the chance to really fly.
Cuntus Maximus.
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Posted : May 20, 2013 10:47
I find the music for years in this scene rather boring.. same thing again and again tbvh especially when you compare to so many other electronic genres imo.I find it hard to spend an hour hearing to a 'modern psytrance' album there is so much interesting music outthere..
At the goa times the musical content was strong and psytrance from 200o on where sound design was the focus of the producers.
Almost no musical content at all just sound desing which often is copied to death.
Tha parties seem to me meanwhile almost as kindergarten parties. And I liked it back than because it had something that is a confusion for most today - magicals mystical spiritual ritual kind of thing that does not exist today and you could find spirits of all ages, by this music nowadays it explains itself. Of course just in my opinion.
And 2500o for shpongle for what? For guitars? Or for the beautyful shaman outfits maybe? come on they should first learn how to play them guitars maybe if it is therefore imo.
Nothing special... very cheesy creamy stuff. For me boring. I was a fan 15 years ago and I thaught this gonna develop. I hope I don't hurt anybodys feelings, but I doubt but since we discuss so freely I think it is ok.
I thin you can promote it good, and there is cash to earn the guys just don't do it properly.
But music nah..not really.
I have many musicians as friends if not almost all and from very different scenes and nobody really find this music very musical or really interesting, it is impressive sometimes a track but hardly a whole psytrance album. I atleast never made such an observation by musicians after the late 90s. Often musical content makes a soul happy and sound design on fast tempo can get even on the nerves on a longer while, espescially on high bpms.
I can see why some of them love death metal and get happy with this musical content, I can understand why they dont find psytrance interesting at all. This is all about taste of course.
And yeah this hippy PLUR thing here is really pseudo all this symbols seem more as a kind of marketing or just magical interesting signs.
I guess someday something really refreshing will come out though since so long it is all about very similar formulas somehting new will appear someday for sure.
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Posted : May 20, 2013 22:26
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On 2013-05-19 23:35, Gunter wrote:
@Login: Mmh, it`s very childish and stupid of you, to say that the music of mauxuam sucks. Firstly musical taste is very subjective. For nearly every music you will find somebody, who likes it, so that it is impossible or stupid to make an overall statement, that this music sucks. So, for example I like the music of mauxuam as well as many others who love to explore psychedelic realms of music. So, am I stupid too, login? And secondly you are just writing this statement, becaus you want to battle mauxuam, which is pretty stupid.
Of course is just my opinion, but wasn't this topic about dealing with opinions that you may not like?
I think his music sucks, he thinks the way bookings work on this scene sucks. Nobody cares about either.
This topic is about maux starting a debate as a provocer and people reacting to it as reactors.
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Posted : May 21, 2013 14:45
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I guess someday something really refreshing will come out though since so long it is all about very similar formulas something new will appear someday for sure.
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Many interesting points have been raised in this thread. Here is another observation I have been making. A lot of the booking really only has to do with politics and who is more famous enough so their asshole can be sugar coated more. I have just played my first full on set here in BC and the people that were there really loved it, I had many really beautiful compliments regarding the quality and the composition of my sound which honestly surprised me. I simply had no idea myself, the reason, for now more than a year I have tried to get to play a life set of my own music on quite a few festivals here in British Columbia and except for the organizers of Alluvium to whom I am very grateful to give me a shot at it, no one here gave me so much as even a chance, I had been blown off again and again, with all kinds of stupid excuses. This in conjunction with the reaction people gave to my music once it played on a big rig made me realize that there is a status quo in this so called underground scene, it isn't necessarily about the quality of the music, it is about the names and the rank! It is about " is it sponge or is it Mauxam", it is about a status quo, no matter if you play a cd because you're too drugged to do a live set, as long as your band name is Alien Project you will be booked regardless. If this scene really was underground there would be less importance on politics and names and more importance on the quality an artist brings.
Last weekend was a big aha experience for me, and my final decision is simple, if someone like me wants to get booked on a regular basis there seems to be only one way to do it, and that is : make your own parties, there seems to be no other way... Unless you take the highway! I will keep on trying to get booked to parties in North America, in the meantime I would like to thank Mike aka Causai and Derek Michaels for being the only ones here in Vancouver who seem to defy the odds by allowing not so well known local talent a chance and a shot at wowing people!
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Posted : May 22, 2013 08:51
Or do what many people I know here in Australia are doing and that's to just produce psy n release it, by for gigs they make other EDM like techno, house, experimental etc. that gets them gigs with reliable crews outside of the sleazy psy Trance scene.
Cuntus Maximus.
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Posted : May 22, 2013 12:06
Yup it's why I switched from dj'ing psy & psybient. I've gone back to dj'ing Detroit techno & house. I know have two gigs a week at a club that pays me $250 for 2 hours.
It subsidizes my wife's income and let's me be a stay at home dad for my son Cuntus Maximus.
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Posted : May 22, 2013 12:07
My to mention the eye candy!! lol.
I'm also studying audio engineering part time, and am about to start some work with one of the big heavy metal promoters here learning to mix live gigs Cuntus Maximus.
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Posted : May 22, 2013 14:02
there is so much interesting music outthere..
but since we discuss so freely I think it is ok.
