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Posted : May 11, 2013 08:08
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On 2013-05-10 23:53, Outolintu wrote:
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On 2013-05-10 17:23, Lost & Found wrote:
Nice try troll.
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maybe the whole point of this topic was to raise a discussion about the state of this scene?
in any case this has been a interesting conversation...
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Interesting?
Same old loop of the last years
  "The dedication to repetition — the search for nirvana in a single held tone or an endlessly cycling rhythm — is one of electronic music's noblest gestures." |
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Outolintu
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Posted : May 11, 2013 13:03
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On 2013-05-11 08:08, Login wrote:
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On 2013-05-10 23:53, Outolintu wrote:
maybe the whole point of this topic was to raise a discussion about the state of this scene?
in any case this has been a interesting conversation...
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Interesting? Same old loop of the last years
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ok, i must then be happily out of the loop 
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MARGHERITA
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Posted : May 12, 2013 13:30
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"The problem" is that the lineups become very one-way-directed. A real good Festival is where the music is for everyone (not just one or two peoples taste) and look for the future too.
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this is not true anymore ,
2012 music selection on festivals season was a big improuvement on variety imoh , and this year is going quiet well to ,
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Beat Agency
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Posted : May 12, 2013 23:06
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On 2013-05-12 13:30, MARGHERITA wrote:
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"The problem" is that the lineups become very one-way-directed. A real good Festival is where the music is for everyone (not just one or two peoples taste) and look for the future too.
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this is not true anymore ,
2012 music selection on festivals season was a big improuvement on variety imoh , and this year is going quiet well to ,
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In your opinion yes.One could also claim that the fact you play all the festivals year after year (Please correct me if I am wrong) also contribute to the lack of diversity in artists and genres. Not trying to offend you. Just making a point.
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Posted : May 12, 2013 23:49
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Can a psy trance festival ever be truly diverse? It is basically a procession of miscreants playing the same song with occasional variations in key and tempo... |
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Posted : May 13, 2013 11:53
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lol mauricio has the age and experience to be the father of manys in here and stilll is called of KIDS by statin the reality.
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Colin OOOD
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Posted : May 13, 2013 14:08
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Posted : May 14, 2013 03:04
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On 2013-05-13 11:53, Vermeee wrote:
lol mauricio has the age and experience to be the father of manys in here and stilll is called of KIDS by statin the reality.
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There are layers of reality. Maybe Master Mauricio was thinking about the lineups he helped to choose, such as Boom. I understand the urge to say nice things about events you or your friends are involved in, it's only natural.
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and he was envolved in both ... ozora and freqs of nature.... still he said what he thinkes and it was not acepted. so yea its only natural that if u dont go on the NATURAL route people will crucify you. so this boom argument doenst make sense at all.
ow lets not forget that statin ur opinion against the NATURAL ROUTE automaticly turns u into a TROLL
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Vermeee
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Posted : May 14, 2013 03:35
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ow lets not forget that statin ur opinion against the NATURAL ROUTE automaticly turns u into a TROLL
owwww life is so great isnt it ? i cant understand why there are so many trolls around. you are a wanker coz there s nothing to worry about. just take the ayuasca ( or more praticly and in teh shadows the md )that you ll be saved with unconditional love blindly for all )<---------- thats the sumup for all the replies he got for statin his opinion.... so obviously someone with a little of sanity would get realy pissed off with all that hipster hipocresy bullshit.
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Posted : May 14, 2013 04:33
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On 2013-05-14 03:35, Vermeee wrote:
ow lets not forget that statin ur opinion against the NATURAL ROUTE automaticly turns u into a TROLL
owwww life is so great isnt it ? i cant understand why there are so many trolls around. you are a wanker coz there s nothing to worry about. just take the ayuasca ( or more praticly and in teh shadows the md )that you ll be saved with unconditional love blindly for all )<---------- thats the sumup for all the replies he got for statin his opinion.... so obviously someone with a little of sanity would get realy pissed off with all that hipster hipocresy bullshit.
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First, he makes acussations that any reasonable person won't accept that easy, just because someone says it.
Second, he is being hypocrite cause, you know he has accepted the money and participated in making line ups.
Third, he is being fucking obvious, it's not like he is disclossing a world conspiracy.
The scene sucks? oh rly?
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Posted : May 14, 2013 08:03
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This scene has been pretty poor right from the start, it's fine to look back in the last with rose tinted glasses but I Remeber most parties in the 90's were just fun through a psychedelic substance fueled haze. Once the haze cleared for me & I stopped the substance the psy/goa scene was so grimey, sleazed & screwed up by promoters I stopped going in 2002. And I haven't missed it since. I love the music, I love making the music but for gigs I enjoy the well run & fair trade of prog house/techno. I get gigs that pay, well executed schedules & super nice venues. 99% of the gigs are done by the book, and as long as you can mix a good set you get gigs. It's none of this Facebook crap or anything.
As I said I officially said goodbye to the psy/goa scene end of '02 and have not missed it at all. And I just find it funny reading all the same rubbish going on year after year. Nobody seems to learn in this scene. It's pure rubbish.
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Colin OOOD
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Posted : May 14, 2013 15:58
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On 2013-05-14 03:35, Vermeee wrote:
ow lets not forget that statin ur opinion against the NATURAL ROUTE automaticly turns u into a TROLL
owwww life is so great isnt it ? i cant understand why there are so many trolls around. you are a wanker coz there s nothing to worry about. just take the ayuasca ( or more praticly and in teh shadows the md )that you ll be saved with unconditional love blindly for all )<---------- thats the sumup for all the replies he got for statin his opinion.... so obviously someone with a little of sanity would get realy pissed off with all that hipster hipocresy bullshit.
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It's a bit unclear there whether you're taking about Maux, Master Margherita or even me... In case it was me, I'll just say that all of us are only stating our opinion, it doesn't mean that any one of us necessarily has a monopoly on the truth. I mean, none of us has access to every single fact and a perfectly objective viewpoint. And disagreeing with someone doesn't mean you don't respect them. Mauricio certainly has a close relationship with festival organisers and wouldn't be doing what he does if he didn't trust his own the music taste and that of the people booking other stages, or if festival organisers didn't trust him. No-one's calling anyone a troll.
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Posted : May 14, 2013 18:07
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i was talkin bout mauxuam ( mauricio )
cant talk bout someone i dont know , as instance you...
and yea u aint callin no one troll but he was stated as TROLL WANKER UNHAPPY PEOPLE ETC ETC by other people in massive ways ( specialy in facebook coments ) only for telling the opinion against an event that isnt even that bomb... instead of replies with concrete arguments why he would be wrong bout his opinion...
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hey man i dont like boom and ozora coz its fuckin comercial there are red bull tents over everywhere, they always put the same full on star artists etc etc
so u get replies like YOU ARE A JOKE DUDE GO GET A LIFE... ITS THE BEST EVENT IN THE WORLD YOU SHOULD TAKE MORE AYUASCA COZ UR LIFE IS GOING TO GET BETTER...
but things could be...
wow why u dont lke it ? i found them very nice... in boom 2012 as instance they had one of the best deco i ever saw , in ozora it head a great dark night with furious, people are all united etc..
you know what i mean?
feels like a hell circus the way we treat each other nowadays.
sure we live in a free world and everybody can speak what they wish but its just plan weird and ugly.
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Colin OOOD
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Posted : May 14, 2013 18:34
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Mauxaum has some really accurate points that he mentions, especially in his gripes about those two festivals. There's a lot of discontent about how people treat others regarding bookings, and even how you are treated at the festival when you're just trying to figure out where you're supposed to sleep, etc. I've seen situations where organizers have referred to performers, both publicly and privately as children, and make their primary focus maximizing the amount of attendees there. I'm not saying that maximizing attendees is a bad thing, however it is important to make everyone who is bringing the people to your event feel like what they are doing is appreciated. When you have them work for pretty much nothing, and then expect them to do it again every year, it gets quite old.
From my experience, the only reason why I come to the summer festivals is to promote whatever I have coming out soon or to line up a tour for the fall or next spring where the lineups aren't saturated, the sets aren't too short to even pay attention to, or where I'll actually maybe get something for my time and effort rather than, thanks for your crowd, now piss off. (The other reason is my friends that I have there.)
I know Mauricio personally, and while he might draw some attention by saying things that aren't too popular, it has nothing to do with really his own ego. He's getting dicked around and so are his friends and he's tired of it. I don't see the issue with telling some truth to what happens behind the scene at a festival. I've seen these things happen, hell some of those things have happened to me. The only reason why I'm not jumping up and down about it is because of the fact that I'm secretly hoping for the scene to implode on itself, driving the capitalists away to dubstep or whatever is the new hot commodity. That way, me and whatever friends are left can dance like nobody's watching again.
I wonder if it was him who actually started the topic, but I doubt it. Even if so, I like the fact that the glass curtain is peeled away a bit. There's never really been much money for many of the performers at a festival, and if you think about it, it makes sense. Here's why:
You have a festival, with 4-5 days of music, which is 120 hours of music at a 5 day festival. If you were *nice* and gave each performance a 2 hour set, then you would need 60 artists. I'm going to use a random arbitrary number for a flat fee that would be the same for every single artist, despite their "fame" lets say 500 Euro. At 500 Euro for 60 acts, you have a price tag of 30,000 EU, and that's not even talking about flights and whatnot, that's just their booking fee. In a perfect world, everyone would agree to a responsible fee that is one that wouldn't be exorbitant and would ensure that the event also wouldn't go severely into debt as long as the amount that were supposed to attend actually do.
However, this is not the case and in fact in economics, it's important to be able to minimize costs in any ethical way possible. For the longest time the biggest cost-saver to anyone doing a musical event is the local act who will play for little or nothing, but bring all of their friends to pay the full entrance. We see this same idea happening at festivals too, but it gets applied in a greater field. Now, unless you're shit hot number 1, you'll be lucky to get enough to pay for food while you are at the festival, and if you mention something about it, you're called names and basically ignored or laughed at. In the business world, individuals who got caught doing that would be blacklisted, or at least an expose from the media would uncover the shady techniques of a corporation. I don't see this as too different to be honest.
But, like I said, I know Mauxuam and I also have been there too.
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