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ShivaS
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Posted : Sep 24, 2002 19:10
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interesting- what's next ? 
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karnaf
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Posted : Sep 24, 2002 19:37
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On 2002-09-24 16:42, Zombi Cocktail wrote:
i just wanted to make clear - I WANT PROGRESSIVE PARTIES.. I WANT AND LOVE PROGRESSIVE MUSIC (also the club side of it).. I ASK,WHEN SOMEBODY WILL MAKE SUCH PARTIES ??? (line of it, not a one night fuck)..
and i sick of the fact that ppl come to teach some dj what to play and how.. and i sick of org that dont know shit about what they do (and they are not kids).. and i do see paradox why they still book acts such we talked about..
ah,and im angier pi 10 that all of u together (dont check me) but i still love funky groovey stuff
its about expirience..
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Zombi
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Posted : Sep 24, 2002 22:47
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done 
bought two cd's and feel better..
p.s. - alegria - we will dance
(i hope u all know all this was said with a smile on da face and with no reason to get angry or get high level of adrenalIN.. just friends talk..
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5Meo-Geo
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Posted : Sep 25, 2002 07:42
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well zombi u'r anger is justefied
i'm mad about those things also
well what can i say.....
be selective with parties u going to
about progrecive parties....
i prefer them in winter time
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shahar
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Posted : Sep 25, 2002 08:01
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Two different stories here:
1. Organizers who build bad line-ups- it's either people trying to make money out of trance, or people trying to make parties without grasping what a party is all about. Or just bad DJs.
2. Full-on/Progressive- I don't give a fuck- I want my story, I want a DJ who can tell one to me. I want the story to be diverse, evolving, changing. I also like a party to explode in the morning when the sun is up- I love to dance on the sun's energies, I love to dance madly when suddenly I see all the faces I danced with whole night in front of me- together with me. And yes, I like Karahana in the morning, and there are different ways to make Karahana- Tatsu & Freeform won't do it.
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Cyber Punk
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Posted : Sep 25, 2002 08:13
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EXACTLY !!!!
Party should not consist of "progressive part", "psy part" , full on.... etc.
DJ is a storyteller that have all the tools to make you cry when you hear his "words", why the fuck he should put himself in the limits ???
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Zombi
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Posted : Sep 25, 2002 13:07
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shahar,cyber and others - the topic was "why org put limits to dj's ?/" and not "proogy vs full on".. and i also said "i dont want any descuss of "vs" thems".. its useless and boring..
the thing im talked about its "org and crowd dont like/cant stand proogy acts, why they book them and limit them ?? why they fuck them ??"..
thanx for opinions..
and shahar - believe me, haldolium and el audio (both free form) is a great karahana for a morning..
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Cyber Punk
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Posted : Sep 25, 2002 13:36
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Where did you see something in my post about "prog vs. full on" or smth like this ?
Or did I ever say that this or that particular kind of trance is bad, or better then other ???
If you (and I don't mean only mr. Zombi) remeber my previous posts in the forum, I was always "against" BIG names as DJs at parties, because of the limits that they should put themselves in. Cause if XXXXX will come and will play all of the music, ppl will bitch that "What the fuck for he came here ???" And If he will play only his music, you will get the situation that Zombi described in the first post.
And the last thing. As I remember, several (4-6) years ago there were no underground parties with BIG names, generally it were friends DJS with MDs... Ans guess what ? Nobody was bitching about music, everybody were diggggging !
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and shahar - believe me, haldolium and el audio (both free form) is a great karahana for a morning..
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Zombi
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Posted : Sep 25, 2002 13:51
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thats not importent.. seems huja is a only only one who got the point of my post.. (its just he sure have more time to read carefully and think before a print..)
i dont talk about music it self here (music itself i talk at trance section "return to the source" thread"..
here is a thread about party organizators,crowd and the paradox between all it..
ok,once again - israely crowd "run" to hear acts such oryx/beat bizzare/son kite/haldolium/mahasuka/etc but not realy enjoy it and more than it talk to organizators press that dj to play full on.. israely organizators book this acts but they themself feel better with nikita/psycho micro's music and have no problem come and say to headliner of north label to play "something else".. and all this return again and again.. so its kinda paradox.. agree ?? why to book non lovely act and strike him hour after he start to play ?? and crowd still "run" to hear what they dont like.. kinda stupid behavor..
about past - u truly right punk.. but remember once ppl make fire with two stones and were very happy, wanna do it today before u want make mana hama ??
and ppl always bithced about music,its matter of taste as u said..
and what a limits u talk ?? give to big dj the stage and if he realy big u will fly high.. at least if organizators think they know better what must be playing..
and big names always were in scene, may be not like today but ppl always searched to party with avi algernati or ofer dykovsky or moshe kenan..
and the only big party i played in my life i played with MD and got kicked by a crowd becoze a soft morning tunes i tryed to play them.. israelism at its best..
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Zombi
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Posted : Sep 25, 2002 13:57
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and if u already speak about past so we did NOT digged but a jumped !! it were years of 145 bpm same kick all the time and psy lines on top og it, so ppl jumped and not digged..
dig music exist only three years (in psy trance scene)..
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Zombi
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Posted : Sep 25, 2002 14:03
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and sure free form will not do it - they DID it enough.. i guess nobody want to do same things all life long.. its boring.. but free form have two festivals to make every year (already 7 years) and some more things.. but yeas, they know nothing how to make ppl fly...
i guess u know better..
btw - did u heard once dj nartak (manager of free form) play ?? if so u sure know he play uplifting morning trance at its best.. very uplifting i mean.. hope for u to hear its once so then u will know what is karahana about..
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Cyber Punk
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Posted : Sep 25, 2002 16:01
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and what a limits u talk ?? give to big dj the stage and if he realy big u will fly high.. at least if organizators think they know better what must be playing..
and big names always were in scene, may be not like today but ppl always searched to party with avi algernati or ofer dykovsky or moshe kenan..
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First of all I was talking about big names Artists and NOT DJs. There is a HUGE difference !
OK. Limits. May be I am wrong, but lets imagine the following situation:
For example one of the biggest names (ie John Smith) in the scene comes to play here at the party.
Me and you are going to the party.
1. John Smith plays all the set only his music + some other tracks that "sounds" like him. So , you are "high" and digging and saying "what a wonderful set", but I am bitching like hell that all the set music was the same... etc.
2. John Smith plays like a normal DJ and puts all the "good" tracks he knows.
So, I am "high" and digging.. and you are bitching about that "WTF i should pay X$ to see John Smith playing tracks of Infected Mushroom ?"
comprende ?
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And I think that there is no paradox here, cause if for example organizers of the "Refer Decree" party were not move Oliver from the stage, there is a big chance that the next party they will find almost without crowd...
So, IMHO, no paradox here... just money(as always) and peoples tastes...
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Party organizers should bring the Big names only for LIVE Shows(i mean REALLY LIVE) and not as regular DJs.
First of all its cheaper, and the second: Lets say that Big name not playing "israeli fullon" but if he plays LIVE, nobody will remove him from the stage, and people will enjoy his performance regardless of the music itself (progy or fullon).
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Zombi
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Posted : Sep 25, 2002 16:49
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u made a huge salad here
the example u give is absurd.. no dj play only his stuff.. no dj that i personaly like dont play infected trax, just not.. he can play music that come from 20-30 proogy lables but not infected.. every dj play stuff that he think is cool,so its always mix og self production (if he product at all) and other trax but they sure sounds fit to set, so if its proogy set no way to hear something complitely different..
and u didnt got paradox again - they book oryx (that club side project) and exept him play full on. simple as ugly.. and ppl run to hear oryx but they hate his music.. clear now ??
and live acts is not cheaper but opposite of it, its more expensive.. and i dont know what u call reguelar dj ???
and most of ppl cant know if its dj set or live act,so...
but lets leave it..
we realy speak with no point now..
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Kaz
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Posted : Sep 26, 2002 16:12
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First if all, I'll start with my 3 best sunrises. Electric Universe/JP 8000 Live, Hallucinogen Live and Pleiadians Live (these aren't considered full-on). None of these are full-on. Very few full-on DJs bother with a story, because if you ever looked at the average full-on crowd - NOBODY NOTICES IT. People are too busy with their teeth clenched tight giving it every last ounce of strength in their body in order to notice something like a story in the music.
Tristan gave wonderful full-on in his DJ set in Samothraki - as a matter of fact, it was the first full-on set I enjoyed since Hercules played in the DEAZ party - and both of those sets wouldn't be considered "strong enough" for most full-on fans. But these DJs had a story and did very special things. Unfortunately, they are a rare breed in today's scene. DJs are too busy giving the crowd what the crowd wants at the moment - 99% of the DJs (in Israel at least) don't try and give anything more.
That's the problem. It's not a matter of progressive vs. full-on. It's wanting to dance to a set that gives something far beyond the sum of it's parts. And yes, in average, progressive DJs do it much better than the rest.
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shahar
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Posted : Sep 27, 2002 00:59
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Zombie, first, please read my post again (especially the first part), I don't think you understood what I wrote from your reply, or maybe I didn't understand your reply.
Second, no I didn't hear Nartak play, but I do believe I know what karahana is.
Third, I don't know about you, but I remember myself DIGGING hard 7-8 years ago, and I have a good memory.
And about Freeform, personally their music today is more chillout to me (while still being mostly very high quality, don't get me wrong), Haldolium excluded. I miss the Freeform of Moksha times. But tastes differ of course, which is very good.
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