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Candy
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Posted : Sep 22, 2002 13:16
Not true. Kaz, you remember the party meni did with native Radio? It had a totally progressive line-up. And yet, very few people showed up. So it's not true to say that if you make a totally progressive line-up people will come.           Majority is never right!

"Without music, life is meaningless."
-Friedrich Nietzsche
Mr. uzi :)
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Posted : Sep 22, 2002 16:46

zombi dear, im with you 100% !
you miss only one good example and its ANTIX set in last moksha party, shure it will be the same in next one.

i can see party organizers try to do better lately on their line-ups, but shure they cant change the fact that israeli crowd like crapy full-on (in MOST cases thats what also the organizers themself better with)

shure they will enjoy more weirdo beardo!
if they wont run home and ask mother to hugg them in the middle of the party...

by the way huja, i think techtrance is good answer for bothsides.           runaway dreamer...
Zombi
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Posted : Sep 22, 2002 17:09
i missed so many examples..
a year or litlle more before i felt something good gonna happen here, more and more ppl interested in progressive music and some prg understood where the win go so they stared book such artists. we also haved pure progressive party line in dinamo (by usta/krembo) that was imo best thing we had ever (well,ever its 6 years i coming to trance parties). but now i see that only thing in bringing progressive artists is a trying to bring more crowd and money.           Believe your soul !
Zombi
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Posted : Sep 22, 2002 17:12
thats just Hot names.. son kite,haldolium,ticon,refeer decree.. nobody realy like them (alsmot nobody) and everybody start breath better then their smart grooves is over and karahana wins..
i ask if somebody love progress in music enough and ready to start progressive party line to make our minor live better.
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Leon Psynesthesia
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Posted : Sep 22, 2002 17:17
or start a support group "Proggressivos Anonymous"
5Meo-Geo
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Posted : Sep 23, 2002 11:49
well sad true
orginisers bring artist without fit lineups and without considering the style that same artist is playing (i'm prety sure that vibrasphere will digg like mad at morning also,when time for his music is before sunrise i think)
its happens all the f****ng time
night music plays at morning
morning music played at night
every 2 hours music changes dramaticly
and orginisers that asking artist to step down (thats realy F****ng insane)
every kind of music have his own time at party

ye progresion is taking a nice place at our scene even that none dj in israel dont understand shit in progression (all u dj's, if u r mad at me after this line hear some Buddah Sourse dj set and understand that i'm right)

i dont know what lead u ppl at parties that u want to hear progression digging at daytime
i know what leads me at parties and it want psychedelic fullon
at night progression rulles

ravergirl native radio party was a joke also
orginisers want to do it so hush-hush that they forgot to distribute the party

and uzi techtrance IMO is for ppl that love to suffer it cant fit into any party only if all the party is techtrance other words Superdigging party

so orginisers dont waste u'r money for half dj set of good artist that u dont know his music

IMO good lineup is...
0:00-2:00 - minimal
2:00-4:00 - night progrecive/or night psy
4:00-6:00 - morning progrecive
6:00-8:00 - morning psy
8:00-end - fullon

boom
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Zombi
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Posted : Sep 23, 2002 12:18
5meo geo - what leading me diging to progressive all party long ?? the bass and percussions drumms dont stop is a key word.. i8 dont dance/jump to kick, i prefer and love move to percussive structure and to have massive fat bass to make a groove deep and tottal..
about your timing at parties - well, u like it at israely formula. in europe things going opposite to what u wrote. night is a time for fast psy stuff (still proogy of course) but close to morning groove start lead and bpm going down.. after sunrise is a time for fiesta tunes and super progressive melodic tunes..
imo things have to going like -

strat of the party - low bpm minimal trance/house set to warm your ass ON..

after that - psy night stuff to make you feel outspace. (ala big wigs/tromesa).. this is a time for karahana..

a hour or two before a morning - its a time for starting build more open and progressive sounds and atmosphere scando sounds)

early morning - progressive melodic trance at its best. low bpm deep sounds for YOUR pleasere only..

after it - fiesta tunes for smiling ppl around..

thats how i see things.. thats how i see things every time i party abroad..           Believe your soul !
5Meo-Geo
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Posted : Sep 23, 2002 12:31
zombi too bad we r not in europe bro
dont forget that in europe parties begon at 9 o'clock
and avarage israely is mad and crazy atleast like 4 europeans
i think its kinda wierd even wrong to compare israely parties to most europe
for example german parties wont go up to 140 bpm usualy (and dont tell me voov or some other festival,i'm talking about avarege parties)
i'm going to sleep at 140 bpm

and ye maybe thats why lotsa parties just sux in israel cose we trying to be europeans and we r not

still matter of taste           Jesus didnt dance,but his beat goes on
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Zombi
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Posted : Sep 23, 2002 12:40
well, 140 bpm is a maximum for me.. after it i going to sleep.. no order and no structure high on 140 bpm (almost always)..
about avarage israely - cant agree with u.. avarge israely dont dance at all.. eat alot drugs yeas, dance not.. sorry bro but i dont see ppl dance at parties but i guess its becoze israelis ppl very "close" and have a problem just loose control on the floor.. in clubs its not like that.. at techno parties (that very short and crowd dont take any drugs) ppl dance much more..
its matter of the taste,right.. and i dont want descuss proogy vs full on, its not my point..
i ask if somebody here feel same as euro good boys and as me... i dont feel realy different from ppl all other the glob..
as i said to one japan lady that asked me what a toilet for a mens and what for a womens - all the ppl all the same..
bom..           Believe your soul !
Mr. uzi :)
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Posted : Sep 23, 2002 15:30

your discussion reminds me the idea i spread with you zombi about digging into new markets...

and then soon we find ourself with eauropean party's vs meditereneans party's....

too bad joke i guess, ehh ?           runaway dreamer...
Zombi
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Posted : Sep 23, 2002 15:32
no why, great GB humor.. hahahah..           Believe your soul !
Zombi
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Posted : Sep 23, 2002 15:39

and once again - hahah..

i dont want any "vs" descuss.. just spread opinions and expirience..           Believe your soul !
Kaz
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Posted : Sep 23, 2002 16:54
Well, I think if that one party advertises a massive full-on lineup (let's say Alien Project & Dimitri) and another party advertises at the same time a quality progressive lineup (Auricular & Cosma), I'd go to the progressive one, without thinking twice. And if the right people know about it, there'll be 2 huge parties, each with a big and satisfied crowd dancing all the time.

The Native Radio party suffered because there was another party 40 minutes away and the rumors about the cops there scared people away (and anyways, both BLT and Gula K played in a much more full-on way than I had ever heard them before, so I don't count this party as pure progressive - just Native Radio's set).

And yes, there's the point that Israeli DJs don't know how to play progressive properly - Israelis understand the groove (Yuli is a master at it), but no one really builds a story (Geo gave a great example - Buddha Source can teach every DJ in Israel how to build a set), but rather improvises to what the crowd wants - and unfortunately (for me), that usually comes instead of doing something really special. If you play a full-on track after 40 minutes of minimal, all you've done is trash 40 minutes of work.

And personally, the best time for progressive IMO is the sunrise.           http://www.myspace.com/Hooloovoo222
Zombi
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Posted : Sep 23, 2002 17:04
cant agree with u more kaz..
          Believe your soul !
TiMMY
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Posted : Sep 23, 2002 18:23
Why not mix those two beautiful genres?

For example, my perfect party would be Vibrasphere/Ticon at night and Texas Faggott/Pelinpala in the morning.

And don't give me that "unsuitable genres" bullshit, I just wanna have fun
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