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Is Full-on = Ego ???
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EYB
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Posted : Jul 13, 2005 17:09
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pornoboy don't tell people where they have to use their energy!
cardinals carttell is much more right then u boy.
the idea 'full on=ego' makes no sense at all man!
music can't be ego itself,
otherwise all music is connected to ego
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Cardinals Cartel
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Posted : Jul 13, 2005 17:43
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O.k ..
Lets stay friends but i will tell you again one more inportend thing and u will try to remember it for the all of the rest of your life (And im personaly wishing u a 120) .
Listen .. You may not producing a music beacuse if u was you was know that in this pure world (When u in there and taking your musical waves from there) there is no place or time for ego . at this time when that you are in there you are trying your best to be free from a bad uman feeling and to tuch only the goods .
When That u see all as this way you will stay primitive for all your life.
I realy dont know how old are you , your partys expiriens but i can tell u that in my 36 y i can see all things different then you and for your better life try put this ego of yours in the side in evrything , dont use it at all .. It will always will jump here and ther and let u think a bad un true things on peoples . put it in the side man .. you dont need it ! Try the love .. !
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electroporn
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Posted : Jul 13, 2005 18:08
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On 2005-07-13 17:43, Cardinals Carttel wrote:
put it in the side man .. you dont need it ! Try the love .. !
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right !! its exactly my point man !
as a producer for the last 15years !
i was talking about more love in fullon and less ego !
art is a reflection of the artist ...4my opinion it does'nt metter what is life story!
as long as he honestly creating from his soul ! it can be love ,passion,sofer,hate whadever ....but if it just come from (ego) 4standing on stage looking cool and jumping...well i think he's in the wrong place...
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Cardinals Cartel
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Posted : Jul 13, 2005 18:21
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You are taking one line of myn and use it for your own need ! .
NO ..
This is not what i meant ! I didt talk about the others , I talk about you ! .
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electroporn
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Posted : Jul 13, 2005 19:10
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look !
i'm trying to find issues we're agree on ...and its hard ! but i realy try ! i take the lines that more close to my point ! avoiding your bad words against me !! wich means leave my ego out of it ! writing poison words is easy ! and i can do it anytime , i just leave my creativity 4making music !
even if i am an ego maniac and so bad !
it does'nt mean my point is wrong ! so stick to it !
you wanna talk about me ??
make a new topic ! elctroporn Vs cardinal !
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Maska
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Posted : Jul 13, 2005 19:29
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I personally think again, it is a matter of taste.....Why does ego have to be involved because the person enjoys his music?
I say as long as it come from the heart, is pure and it is YOU spreading what you love and not trying to play what other people want, then that's when it is special. A person plays music that is aggressive and mad because that is what they love. You can't call him egocentric because he is playing what he loves to dance to......Makes no sense.....
And you can't judge someone who stands there DJ'ing without moving that much to maybe be a little more technical about what they are doing! To each their own. I personally am not the biggest fan of the "progressive/minimal" sound, but I can truly appreciate a DJ that plays from the heart, no matter what style..........
I find it is always special that way....The bad vibes only come from those that criticize unnecessarily...
Last I recall there was no manual that told someone the proper way to act on stage....I find the beauty in both: people who go off and people who stand there and really think about what they are doing (not that the person going off doesn't think, just an example).......
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Cardinals Cartel
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Posted : Jul 13, 2005 19:47
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On 2005-07-13 19:10, electroporn wrote:
even if i am an ego maniac and so bad !
it does'nt mean my point is wrong !
you wanna talk about me ??
make a new topic ! elctroporn Vs cardinal !
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Now You Clear My Point ! Well Dan ! .
Your ego side put you without even knowing in the first place . If i was writing it i was wrote - Electroporn Vs Cardinals carttel , but u are choose the oppesite .
I dont want to talk about you , I want to help you ! .
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JoMaJo
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Posted : Jul 13, 2005 20:55
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i think what electroporn is trying to say (hope i got him) - i kinda miss the old school parties, dj's like Guy Sabag, who start off the night on a low note and do a buildup, and have parties that r based on a variety of musical tastes and not only Bang Bang 150bpm for 12 hours.. and being one of the older dancers and audience on the floor, it's sometimes a little too much 12 hours non-stop music (meaning especially the hardcore full-on stuff) that as much as i love all music - i rate this music on 'Cats in a blender scale'- works fine so far.
I miss the diversity of underground music that's out on the market, underground artists like tim healey that do more 'mainstream'?!? music, there's amazing music being made @ 130 bpm that rocks - the way is full-on is going with all the remixes for the 80's shite, i'd rather listen to a brand new electro set... but mayB that's me.. anyways, i'd like see more parties where an artist like Jan from X-dream (Haoman After), who didn't display the best beat mixing skills, played some rocking tunes, old and new.. techno, and electropunk, it was the most refreshing set on a dancefloor i heard in a few months..
I think that the audience should also keep an open mind and flow with what is being handed out, instead of criticising immedidiately that the music isn't 'full-on' or 145bpm, something that abroad more often that in israel - where we developed a full-on society.
after saying all this i'm not saying progressive is better - coz i think that the proggy scene is also stuck in a sound that ticon and others got over in Y2K..
we should say thanks to all the underground promoters and musicians that keep on doing parties and providing new music to the world, even they got all the hardships that go with it...
viva la underground,
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JoMaJo
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Posted : Jul 13, 2005 21:04
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I don't think full-on is necessarily Ego, it's the people on the decks! As we all know, this scene and it's connection to drugs is well known, and people under the influence, sometimes act and play like people under the influence!
like the old saying 'it's not guns that kill people, it's husbands that come early do!'
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electroporn
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Posted : Jul 13, 2005 22:31
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nice try jomajo man .. but its not my point .
i like those old school parties and dj who reads the crowd n bilt thier set ,but i like new stuff and fresh sounds and i'm talking future !!what i' saying is : in the trance scene there are many "non musicssion" who happens to have a pc or just were lucky enough to have freinds with labels to release it ! since its much esier to produce music at home and even the printing and graphics is not so expensive... there is alot of crapp in the market !
and its easy to get confused with all the names
and tracks !
but there is a big differance between productions which apperantly looks under the same status !
its not about dancing or not in the dj boot !
and making music is better than making war !
but it needs time knolage and creativity !
anyone can try ,but it does'nt mean he can !
the right attitude is what i'm talking about
may be i was wrong calling this topic full on = ego ???
but i hear it more in full-on ! my opinion is !!when its prog its harder to escape ! u can hear the story and production better ! and again ! i like a good full-on !
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On 2005-07-13 19:47, Cardinals Carttel
Now You Clear My Point ! Well Dan ! .
Your ego side put you without even knowing in the first place . If i was writing it i was wrote - Electroporn Vs Cardinals carttel , but u are choose the oppesite .
I dont want to talk about you , I want to help you ! .
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man
beleive me when i tell u ! i was hasitating when i wrote this ,cause i thought u might say it !!
cardinal vs electroporn .....electroporn vs cardinal.... whadever
ZOOM OUT man
if u wanna help me ....zoom out from the little words
and talk about the topic !
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mubali
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Posted : Jul 13, 2005 22:54
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I can understand your comments about the flood of artists in this genre, but this holds true to all forms of music. There are lot's of people that might be regarded as having no talent, but remember that your opinion isn't always the only one that matters. To you, your opinion is the only one that might matter, but to others it might be their opinion that matters to them. It's all indeed subjective.
I find that the prog is incredibly boring for me and tends to put me to sleep. But I can appreciate the people who do it and respect them because the are indeed doing what they love. And that is truly where music comes from, the love of spending the time to do it. Even the copy paste sounding stuff takes a lot longer to make than you would think.
By the way, one of the reason why there's a lot of similar sounding stuff out there has a lot to do with the djs and the artists reading the dancefloor and remembering the sounds that made the crowd go bananas and repeating that same process... The music started becoming less about self expression and more about pleasing a group of people that were more concerned with instant gratification than experimentation.
Now when you have those that have gone on the tip of self expression, you end up getting flamed because not your average listener can quite understand what's in that persons head... Which is very reflective of this thread as a whole. Electroporn wanted to express his personal dislike, and because we did not understand the statement he was trying to make, we discredited him for it. I honestly feel that he wants what we all want, artists to make music from their soul, just what he considers music and what we consider music are different things...
I encourage all of you to find out what you consider music, and then determine what you consider psychedelic music.... The term psychedelic changes from person to person, but you know it when you hear it. For me it's sounds that are otherworldly, but at the same time have a sense of order to them... Ordered Chaos, and Chaotic structure. But once again that is just me, and what I may determine psychedelic might not be what you determine as psychedelic, but that's why there are soo many artists that make music, so you can pick and choose what visions you want to identify to, and if you can't find any of them that you like... You can do it yourself... (which tends to be more gratifying)
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Cardinals Cartel
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Posted : Jul 13, 2005 22:55
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Think well .. And u will find the answer for that for sure (If u can and if u realy want it ! Close your eyes and try ..) .
P.s -
I agree with u in one thing that u worte up there , you talk about the lucky dj's and on poor orgenaizer . I dont know what is going in/on there but maybe there u can find this things .
I never being in a party like this and maybe this is the partys that u are going to . This is a big world and with alots of partys in it , Why not to choose the rights partys and place to go and be ?
why should i must read all this complains of your here ? . How many pages it will take till this understanding will come ?
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electroporn
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Posted : Jul 13, 2005 23:38
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On 2005-07-13 22:55, Cardinals Carttel wrote:
why should i must read all this complains of your here ? . How many pages it will take till this understanding will come ?
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it takes whadever it takes !!
Chill man ! no one force you 2 respond !! and you do it quite fast !
mubali i got u perfect when u say : The music started becoming less about self expression and more about pleasing a group of people that were more concerned with instant gratification than experimentation. .....nice one !
i'll try again !
take a gituar player ! connected to a big Marshel amp !! he start playing and it sound sssssucks !! instad of taking a few guitar lessosns ....... he takes the Drive\ Vol all the way up !! thinking... with all the noize they wont notice !
what ....u gonna tell me ! look this is a new style !... its special music and its his reflextion of his soul ??? what is it ? a special music that only smart ppl' can hear !
its like the story "the king is naked "
everybody watch and only a boy shout it !
the king is naked sometime ......what do do ???? i shout it !
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Cardinals Cartel
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Posted : Jul 13, 2005 23:52
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On 2005-07-13 23:38, electroporn wrote:
its like the story "the king is naked "
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Yes .. Its realy is !
Seems you are blind and lockt on your opinion and cant see the others .
I Start feeling that im talking to a wall
One day (hope soon !) you will get the all idea .
HAVE FUN !
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e tay (etic)
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Posted : Jul 14, 2005 00:58
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mubali i got u perfect when u say : The music started becoming less about self expression and more about pleasing a group of people that were more concerned with instant gratification than experimentation. .....nice one !
i'll try again !
take a gituar player ! connected to a big Marshel amp !! he start playing and it sound sssssucks !! instad of taking a few guitar lessosns ....... he takes the Drive Vol all the way up !! thinking... with all the noize they wont notice !
what ....u gonna tell me ! look this is a new style !... its special music and its his reflextion of his soul ??? what is it ? a special music that only smart ppl' can hear !
its like the story "the king is naked "
everybody watch and only a boy shout it !
the king is naked sometime ......what do do ???? i shout it !
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Lol ...... 
you funny guy dude ...
but i'm backing you up here . if i got you right ? i hope so
without getting into the argument wather its full-on or progressive , "sometimes" i do have the felling that power in music
comes to compensate on poor production or missing of ideas , tho its only my point of view and something i look for, in music
agree with you that the King is naked sometime but i say ! let him walk ,dont shout . there are many who will stub you (King lovers which dont really care for their king only for his respect .)
nice example dude. but each one comes from differant place and got a differant attitude , so even if someone sound to you like nothing but ego , he might surprise you in the future , ppl do improving and trying hard !
peace
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