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Is Full-on = Ego ???
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mubali
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Posted : Jul 7, 2005 08:32
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Thanks for the writing compliment... I will not insert an egotistical comment to how I play, I would encourage you to perhaps come to the US and see me play. Actually I would encourage you to see as many people play as possible so that you can acquire a more informed opinion about the music you love so much. I believe that the connection between the dancefloor and the dj/artist is a truly symbiotic relationship. Many artists really don't make music just for the dancefloor. The music is an extention of the mind and spirit and their experiences. It's very exciting to share something personal with a group of people and with all hope watch them understand the emotions you attempted to convey to the dancefloor. Whereas you did not mention any names toward your dislikes, you did classify an entire group and where I cannot speak for others, as a person that makes music that is intense and psychedelic I would take someone who dismisses something that I put my energy into as senseless noise under a bassline slightly offensive and react accordingly. Perhaps that's me being a little thin skinned, but at the same time to make a comment such as the one you did, you would almost have to expect someone to react slightly harshly. Artists spend a bunch of time making unique sounds... This is something I really take pride in and feel it's integral to making psychedelic music... perhaps I could ask you what you consider psychedelic.
Where I can understand that you made this topic because you felt that there was something wrong with the current state of things... I have a disagreement with the manner in which you conducted this discussion. The comments that you made including the title of this thread were incredibly inflammatory and would not really serve to inspire any changes. The general tone of this forum seems to reek of general negativity and most people that I speak to don't even bother to read most threads. And the reason why they don't even bother to read most threads is because very few threads offer any CONSTRUCTIVE criticism. They see tons of rants and bitchfits and arguments from people that cannot avoid from resorting to disrespectful comments that damaging to people's spirits. So they decide to form a thick skin and not care what anyone says. This might just assist in breaking that symbiotic relationship that the dj or party goer may have with each other. Perhaps rather than starting a thread about your dislikes and thereby alienating anyone from actually listening to you, why not list the psytrance artists that are actually doing what you enjoy and see if there are other artists within that similar vein. That will serve to show that you are doing more than just complaining. You could even throw a jab in at the end wishing that more artists made music in that vein. I for one am happy that there is lots of sonic diversity in all music especially psychedelic trance. What I might not be into might be the perfect sound of music for you, and who am I to discredit the music just because I might not be into it? And this is the point that I really wanted to make.
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Cardinals Cartel
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Posted : Jul 7, 2005 10:08
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On 2005-07-06 03:28, electroporn wrote:
mr mubali dj dude
i guess u are from those i was just talking about......(ego dj dude)
You so dj kind of dude that u dont even read and try 2 understand my point !
just keep saying the same pointless words...and tease me !
if u really want to make an opinion ....try to connect it with this post....dont make me look like .....party breaker !
my advice to you.... is to read my posts again....if u like !
a chain sour always sounds like a chain sour
even to your perfect ears
and music always sound music !
i done already my jezz leasons....do you ?
please....read the post again B4 u attack
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Hey electro kid ..
Seems you dont know what you realy talking abaout , And i think that you write it to the wrong persone . Peolpes like you are in The ego and this is why you can see that when all is didt even thinking about , life is a mirror . 150 Bpm ? why being so mad if you can have it better and on 140 - 145 truly i cant understand you .and what is the connection ? . and why you should talking like that to mubaly when all he want is to tell you what he think and to answer to your strang question .
look , this topic is going to no where .
your ego side is to high to understand what is a real good music . This is not should be like that . I never heard eny of your "speedy powrfull mazing sound tracks" so please .. before you are talk do !
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electroporn
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Posted : Jul 7, 2005 14:22
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look no body comes here to fight
and you know Cardinals there is no wrong ppl'
i'm happy mubali write those words... i learn alot !
without getting into if i'm doing music\dj or not...i'm a dancer !! and i can judge for my self what i like more or less !
I beleve that as a preformer you must be ready to get bad responds also to handsclaps ! right mubali , I can go and say more and more good words to my favorites artist ....but whats the point ? it even can raise their ego up !
most important is they wont change or improve !
I know it hard to get bad respond from ppl...over the net or newspaper.....but it happens all time (T.V, magazines...etc)and actually it serves us as consumers !
the 150bpm issue is just a way to explain my point :
like if its not working in 140 or 145 ....instad of thinking Hey I'll put some more per' loop or i cahange the bassline,seeq one more hour for the right lead,produce this part again,be more creative.... many (NOT ALL) of tham choose to take it up to 150 thinking this might do the job ! and this i dont like !
i know it takes hours and days to make music ...any music and i did'nt mean to disrespect no one !
still i think this topic got a point
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Bloodclot
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Posted : Jul 7, 2005 14:27
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On 2005-07-06 02:03, --==Bad Sector==-- wrote:
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On 2005-07-05 19:17, Bloodclot wrote:
I hate it when DJ's go absoloutely crazy just to get the crowd moving. I've seen so many of them bounce to tracks crazily which makes them look funny! Well if its humor they're creating..  Job!
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which ones pm me  
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 some friends of yours  .. (Oh dont worry, ur not your own friend)
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mubali
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Posted : Jul 7, 2005 20:22
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The world as a whole is filled with negativity my friend and as such humanity including artists have become calloused toward the negativity, simply passing any comment off that disagrees with their views as being an uninformed opinion. The main point that I keep reiterating is that there are ways for you to indeed get your point across where people will take your opinion as a valid statement and maybe even take some of your ideas to heart. This brings another quote to mind too..
"You can catch more flies with honey than you can with vinegar." For people to take anyone serious it is just as important to take into consideration how you say something, not just what you say. Let's not forget that djs and artists are dancers but they dance to their own rhythms instead of what's there. The fact of the matter remains that especially in music, there are millions of critics and despite what you may think, the music that is created is an extention of that person's soul.
If I were to meet you for lunch and start telling you everything you need to do with your life in order for you to "change or improve" the impression you leave upon me, you might hear what I have to say, you might even listen, but would you change your ways just because I told you that the way you do things now is wrong?
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KuKulKan
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Posted : Jul 11, 2005 01:51
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I love 135bpm stuff
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The Madman
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Posted : Jul 11, 2005 21:54
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Even if the DJ were a fully enlightened buddha who is totally selfless he could still dance with the crowd. Why not?!
And such a being could create any kind of music, including full on. |
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electroporn
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Posted : Jul 12, 2005 18:20
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On 2005-07-07 20:22, mubali wrote:
If I were to meet you for lunch and start telling you everything you need to do with your life in order for you to "change or improve" the impression you leave upon me, you might hear what I have to say, you might even listen, but would you change your ways just because I told you that the way you do things now is wrong?
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mubali man !
if i love music and i wanna make some of my own and play it to ppl' 4money (pro) , its not enough for 4me to buy per of monitors and a pc running sx ! like if i wanna be nil young i need more then guitar ! i need to learn music \ instrument, the software, sound ....etc ! what i'm saying is that u need more than fast kik n base and random sounds to make a good track !
if we were having launch and i'm making music and u were telling me : look you need to look around and try to think more about your music, make it intresting make it from a positive place not an ego place ! i'll sure remember it next time i will write a track\song ... if you teach music , even more ... its all about learning and improving ! look back ! i'm sure your track from 2years ago sound less good than the one u just made !
sure there are many styles and opinions
but take a 5ppl' band playing rock, they all your friends and all looks cool !! but they play bad !! what ? u gonna tell me ....man its your opinion,they rock ! ??
or just tell tham in the face !!
Go improve yourself !! whadever it takes !
everybody wanna be a star !
some want ppl' to see tham !
some want ppl' to hear tham !
and about the lunch ! anytime
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mubali
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Posted : Jul 12, 2005 19:53
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I do see your point to an extent but I feel that I should perhaps clarify my statements.
Let's take your situation that you mentioned about the 5 people in the rock band. Lets say do decide to tell them that they need to improve.... It's fine if you tell them in a way that is CONSTRUCTIVE such as, "Hey, I found this songwriting workshop that might be really good for you. or Hey, I noticed during this song that the harmony is a little off, maybe that might be something you might wanna look into." As opposed to telling them that their stuff isn't good. There are lots of people that tell artists that their music isn't that good, but there are very few that really offer any suggestions to how their music could be better. You don't have to say anything you don't mean, but take into consideration that if someone's going to bitch at you you will be less likely to listen. Almost like when you lived with your parents, they'd nag and nag and nag, till you tuned them out... This is exactly what's happening now....
I just exercised this while speaking with you, I started off chastizing you about what you were saying and eventually provided you with an alternative to get your point across and make you sound less like a jackass too.
And you also took my quote a bit out of context... I was not referring to meeting over lunch about your music. I was referring to the impression that your lifestyle has left on me. This is a direct analogy to the impression that artists' "ego" leaves on you. Bear in mind that more often than not for every one person that might find something wrong with one person's music, there will be more than one that enjoy it.
Another thing that I really personally feel is that the music is created to be "shared" with the dancefloor. The music isn't made for the crowd. The music that people make is an extentsion of the artists soul. Not everyone is going to understand what that artist is trying to say, and rather than the artist change his vision to better match the crowd or status quo, perhaps the listener should recognise that the music is very much a representation of whatever's going on in the artists head and accept it as is. If you don't like what's going on in one person's head, find someone that you do. Music is subjective, I personally find most melodies that are currently used obnoxious and almost nauseating. I'd take a bunch of wierd noises over the same two bar melodic riff any day of the week. However, rather than me go off on some sort of tirade, I seek the artists whose visions I can connect with.
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Ppsygirl
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Posted : Jul 13, 2005 12:59
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electroporn
i totaly agree with u !! i really used to like full on but now in most of the parties in the morning its so aggressive so I just decided that I prefer proggy trance on that !
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Cardinals Cartel
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Posted : Jul 13, 2005 14:13
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You are both wrong ! . there is no connection to the dj or the artists that play they music in the party . Its maybe the orgenaizer prob' and yours two.
No one tell you to come to this party , there is many more that dancing at this time (Lets say 90%) when you and psygirl are in the side (cant hear the "noises") .
But if we go back to the top line of this topic and after all .. what you are writing there "is Full-on = ego ???" Man .. Forgive me but i think is a fully topic and its only coming from your imagin hot seek mind . Do you think that artist have time for ? belive me not , they dont think like you on this low level way , They are coming to play and have fun - thats all . Dont try to fog it by others words and storys - tuch the point ! . And you 2 please Tell me .. If it was you up there in the dj/artist place did you stil think that way ? sure not ! . So i think is better for you next time when you are opening a topic to stop for a sec' and to think . dont jump in to somthing when you cant even see what is going on
in the other side beacuse not allways what u see (Even if you have 6/6 Or with your develop feeling) is the real thing that happend . no one say that dj's/artists are dancing to they ego .. (What for ?) Only you can see it ! .
Its the bigest idiotic bul.. hit i ever heard and read here in this site from the day im here .
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Ppsygirl
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Posted : Jul 13, 2005 15:12
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i dont think full on = ego but some times i fell that the artist enjoys his music more that the crowd does... maybe i am wrong but thats the way i fell u dont have to agree and for sure not take it personaly! no one is trying to insolt anyone - for sure not me.... just when i read the topic i understood what he is talking about .... and related to it.....
everything is in a good mood man 
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Cardinals Cartel
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Posted : Jul 13, 2005 16:13
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Sure !
And u got the point that im trying to say for all over my postes here . one thing is not connect to the other . full-on = ego ? And what about the dark , the tech and all the others styles ? there all the dj's/artists are sweet and g'entel ? Come on .. ! . Lets Say that one Arabian guy was bomb him self in a bus or a restorant so all the arbs are bads ? Or one jew kill (dont mater now hwo) . you are taking the all dj's and the all artist (in the full on side) and say what u say . What that im trying to say here that this way is totaly wrong and realy can makes me angry by reading it , I can see under this topic alots of hate and a privat self ego of electroporn and this is not the right thing to do here in a peacefuly place and site . one dj that jump (maybe to much - I stil think that this dj are coming only in electroporn head , i never see that and belive me im in alots of partys) .. and only beacuse he like his stuf - dont mean that all the same , Why its so hard to understand that .. ? 1% (dj) from all cant be right or true or even a part from a very big statistic and many artists and excellent dj's . no one will let me think that way on this way in this funny topic .
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Posted : Jul 13, 2005 17:02
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the question itself is sooo dumb thats even a shame to reply now lol
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electroporn
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Posted : Jul 13, 2005 17:03
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On 2005-07-13 14:13, Cardinals Carttel wrote:
You are both wrong ! . there is no connection to the dj or the artists that play they music in the party . Its maybe the orgenaizer prob' and yours two.
But if we go back to the top line of this topic and after all .. what you are writing there "is Full-on = ego ???" Man .. Forgive me but i think is a fully topic and its only coming from your imagin hot seek mind . Do you think that artist have time for ? belive me not , they dont think like you on this low level way , They are coming to play and have fun - thats all . Dont try to fog it by others words and storys - tuch the point ! . And you 2 please Tell me .. If it was you up there in the dj/artist place did you stil think that way ? sure not ! . So i think is better for you next time when you are opening a topic to stop for a sec' and to think . dont jump in to somthing when you cant even see what is going on
in the other side beacuse not allways what u see (Even if you have 6/6 Or with your develop feeling) is the real thing that happend . no one say that dj's/artists are dancing to they ego .. (What for ?) Only you can see it ! .
Its the bigest idiotic bul.. hit i ever heard and read here in this site from the day im here .
I can see under this topic alots of hate and a privat self ego of electroporn and this is not the right thing to do here in a peacefuly place and site .
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if this topic looks idiot 4you ....
pls keep your energy 4 the other topics !! save us from your words !
the topic is with ??? just 4ppl' like you who wants to disaggree and chalange it !!
instad of blaming me 4 having a sick mind or whadever ...!! why dont u just explain your point .... do all the ppl' who writes here are stupid too ??
since i write the word Ego !!! lets use it in here !! please leave your ago out 4 one sec , read the all post again ,dont be mad ! and see i was'nt try to disrespect you or the full on scene .... i was talking on attitude ...and if u dont understand or me fail to explain it.... dont make it stupid topic !!!
some ppl' did get it as some did'nt !
one more thing ! to your question , ye !!
i would probebly to the same if were DJ\Artist on stage.... and may be i am !!
may be i do know the feeling ?
may be i'm a wellknown fullon artist who wants my scene better !
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