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I was wonder , why the heck all these craps get release !
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Zombi
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Posted: Jan 27, 2003
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i didnt said best, also for my taste spirit zone far from to be main food/breed, we talk here about organization and buesness skills, in this case spirit zone sure lead the crappy trance buesness..
but trance is not about buesness, so skip it..
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psydark_light
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Posted: Jan 27, 2003
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why people all the time make private promotion , no matter what the subject is ?!
the point is to change something , not to praise others !
the question is what can we do/suggest to do about all these miserable releases ,lables that come up and destroy the psy market and destroy the music itself (destroy artists with good potential also) ?
what if everyone of us will think positive about peace ?
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Zombi
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Posted: Jan 27, 2003
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guys, u know what a problem with some of u ?? that u have one favorite artist/label that u push in any descussion..
we talk about bass line - simon/shpongle/whatever
we talk about live perfomance - simon/shpongle
we talk about private life - simon/shpongle..
its cool u realy deep love with some personality, but try be objective, speak about different persons at different threads, it will
be much more interesting..
its cant be that one person or label make all kind of activity at realy best condition, its may be u stuck too much on specific name..
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Zombi
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Posted: Jan 27, 2003
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for me sunset and free form are best labels and all this, but if i speak about leading trance label i will admit spirit zone, coze objective facts.. facts that i wrote already, if somebody realy interesting in their history or statistic,tell me..
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shahar
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Posted : Jan 27, 2003 15:22
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Chill! Why destroy a good discussion???
What can we do about it?
we can talk about it and so get the message across to the labels.
And i don't understand why Zombi's reference to Spirit Zone is promotion for you psydark. It was a very good example of how to try and keep quality, though they have their weak points as well at times.
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Barmalei
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Posted : Jan 27, 2003 15:31
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Shahar, the refernce is not the problem, the way he did it - it is ...
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... lets agree that ONLY realy seriuos label in trance scene is a Spirit Zone crew....
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Zombi
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Posted : Jan 27, 2003 15:42
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man, lock whole forum, it will make it very peaceful...
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Barmalei
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Posted : Jan 27, 2003 15:59
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I'd rather mark one more offtopic ...
Now to be serious on the topic ...
I think it is a chain about downloading music and releasing crappy stuff. People wouln't pay money for two tracks from the whole disk ... they'd better download them ... Always remember you're unique, just like everyone else. |
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psydark_light
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Posted : Jan 27, 2003 16:40
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I think we should , teach the labels somehow that we are not suckers , and we want high standard in all their releases. (bad cd , don't release it !)
I'm still not sure how to do that (except downloads), but even downloads make the psytrance looks poor with these crap madness. (specially for new psy fans , that hate this genre because of these bad stuffs they listen to..)
what do you think the lables or listeners or even artists can do to reduce these low quality stuffs to get release ?
what if everyone of us will think positive about peace ?
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traveller
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Posted : Jan 27, 2003 17:00
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nothing we have to do.. only the good selling artists will survive..
"The dinosaurs became extinct because they didn't have a space program."
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Anak
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Posted : Jan 27, 2003 17:14
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i totally agree with shahar. for me it's quiet difficult to find a record that ireally LOVE, there are not much more than 20 records a year which i really like and love.
the problem is imho, that in psytrance are so much different way to sound psychedelic. its easier in psytrance to do a new, never heard type of song than f.e. in rock music, because the sounds and capabilities are almost unlimited...u can do as much a synth can do. this is for sure the reason for all those different tastes, and also, bad productions.
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Kaz
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Posted : Jan 27, 2003 17:45
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Zombi: I believe Spirit Zone and Twisted are the only two labels which really have extreme quality control nowadays (even though that's probably about to change with GMS's invasion of my favorite label), you don't need to get pissed off at it - some people like Electric Universe and Spirallianz, others like Posford and Tristan. I happen to like them all. Both Twisted and Spirit Zone do not tolerate any low quality (desputable, with space tribe on one side and banzi on the other, but that's taste), keep insanely high levels of production, and are not afraid to delay releases until they are perfectly happy with them. Both labels keep a special sound of their own.
What I'm saying is this - there are very few people out there who are musical geniouses. There are very few compilations which have only brilliant stuff on them. BUT, it's always been that way. The fact is that every person in the trance scene is either a DJ or an artist, or a close friend of some. People in the trance scene believe they should give it a shot. Most labels are more than happy with finding a new name with potential, and release music according to the musical beliefs of the crew. If you're not happy with that, don't buy it. 20 great albums a year should be enough for everyone, unless a great album will keep you happy for less than 20 days, then you've got a problem.
You want a solution? DON'T download at all. You don't like a label and what it's doing? Don't buy anything of theirs, don't recommend anything of theirs, don't LISTEN to anything of theirs. When you see a CD that you think is great, buy it. Don't buy CDs that you don't really like, but show the labels that you support quality. Downloading harms the musicians (nowadays, artists live from their live acts and DJ sets, or from their day jobs in most cases) and kills the labels (Flying Rhino, which released Bamboo Forest, Planet BEN, Slinky Wizard and other amazingly high quality music which people just didn't buy, but downloaded instead). Buying only the really good stuff will make the labels see the light - when I mean that the light at the end of the tunnel is quality - right before the money.
Be positive, not negative. You want to download? Don't look for moral excuses. Don't blame anyone for being bad but yourself. Take responsibility. Do the right thing.
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Barmalei
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Posted : Jan 27, 2003 17:51
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Kaz - Since there is no trance SINGLES for now - what is your solution for disk, that contains one or two tracks you really love and would want to listen 10 times, and the rest of the tracks are not worth even 1 time ?
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Kaz
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Posted : Jan 27, 2003 17:59
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Borrow from a friend. Wait for the album. Or buy the LP. Email the label and ask them where else those tracks can be found. Buy it second hand - you can wait a month or two you know, different than what many people think here, music doesn't sound worse if you don't download it when it's still unreleased.
And if you wait and eventually stop wanting those tracks, I guess you just took a step to ensure higher quality in the future, maybe in the next compilation, that label will have 4 awesome tracks. If you believe those tracks are worth buying the compilation for, then do that, I guess you're happy with the quality.
Downloading is no answer, it's a way to punish the labels for not having an all-star crew, which very few have. You want to change something? Don't ruin it for the guys who aren't perfect, make them want to improve.
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Barmalei
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Posted : Jan 27, 2003 18:50
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We are not talking about unreleased stuff, but released tracks. Are we going to support low quality labels? Is there any chance good self-esteemed artists would listen for other stuff on the disk their track will be released, before giving final approvance.
Of course downloading is not the answer - I would rather prefer to get SINGLE, but I won't let not perfect guys to improve their level by using my money. It is the labels headache to make me want to buy their CD and to get their artists on level.
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