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homogeneity, identity politics, and the closing of the trance mind

papay


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Posted : Mar 4, 2008 21:08
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On 2008-03-04 20:46, Pavel wrote:



Totally disagree. While I usually get a small ear tumor when I hear music in Ocelot's BPM and intensity range his material is usually few levels above all the other.


[/quote]once again a matter of taste some like pasta with cheese some don t pointless debate and there is honestly about 1000 topics on isratrance on this taste thing and i don t think this was the point in the first place...
heretical


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Posted : Mar 5, 2008 02:36
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On 2008-03-04 20:46, Pavel wrote:
Somebody mentioned that lack of spirituality here. Well that's just your opinion. I'm sure some people turned on by mantras and other religious mumbo jumbo I personally find it annoying at best.



Totally agree. If anything what needs to go is the bogus hippy spirituality that was basically brought back from the dead. I laughed so hard in the car today when on public ready they did a story about Maharishi Mahesh Yogi. The guy that brought transcendental mediation to the west and was the guy the Beatles followed to india during the height of the hippy era. Well guess what? He died a BILLIONAIRE!!! Not just a millionaire, a billionaire.
That whole era is just such a bunch of bogus hypocrital nonsense.
Someone mentioned in here about capitalism and the stone age. More nonsense. There is a fantastic video on google that graphs out poverty, education, deaths at birth using UN statistics. Every place that has opened up their markets to capitalism is experiencing a beatifull trend towards "good" in all these respects. Like it or not, the corporations many on here i'm sure think are "evil" are doing far far far more good for the world than any music anyone can ever make. It matters not at all if you believe that or not, objective truth is objective truth.
If anything what this scene needs is not "spiritually" but a bent more towards rationality that gets rid of so much of the BS that has accumulated philosophically over time.
heretical


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Posted : Mar 5, 2008 02:52
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if people only conceive of psychedelic trance as being SPLIT musics, it will never unite again.



I would question if this is even possible though. At some point any genre branches off into many different sub styles over time, then after a longer time some of those sub genres combine to form something fresh. Kind of like your not going to get people who love Punk music to combine forces and put on shows with people who do acoustic rock, without doing something that sounds like a "acoustic punk". People will either accept that sound or reject it, maybe something would grow from that or maybe it wouldn't. Ultimately though I don't believe its something that can be controlled. IDM is probly a better example. The AI comps came out and bam. It was purely organic though, no one was in control.
Since you have power as an artist since you actually make the music we all listen to here I would say just put out this crazy music you have. Even if its not on a psy label I would think someone would release something that is truely fresh. Like how dubstep has taken off, it just sounded fresh but it wasn't like it was a plan to change the world.
ocelot
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Posted : Mar 5, 2008 03:07
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On 2008-03-05 02:52, heretical wrote:
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if people only conceive of psychedelic trance as being SPLIT musics, it will never unite again.



I would question if this is even possible though. At some point any genre branches off into many different sub styles over time, then after a longer time some of those sub genres combine to form something fresh. Kind of like your not going to get people who love Punk music to combine forces and put on shows with people who do acoustic rock, without doing something that sounds like a "acoustic punk". People will either accept that sound or reject it, maybe something would grow from that or maybe it wouldn't. Ultimately though I don't believe its something that can be controlled. IDM is probly a better example. The AI comps came out and bam. It was purely organic though, no one was in control.
Since you have power as an artist since you actually make the music we all listen to here I would say just put out this crazy music you have. Even if its not on a psy label I would think someone would release something that is truely fresh. Like how dubstep has taken off, it just sounded fresh but it wasn't like it was a plan to change the world.





hey its actually pretty simple and nothing to be cynical about.

music trends now dont meet the needs- there are many people who desire serious psy thats not especially fast, dark, cheesy, commercial, etc... their needs are not being met by the partisan approach- thats why many people stop going to psy parties- its too shallow...
i merely suggest an alternative aesthetic to inspire artists, labels, and party organizers- one where each puts their heart into it and makes what they truly feel not what they think others will accept... i think this is nothing to be afraid of- the expression of humans... its what music is about eh? at least somewhat no? a little bit?
when this music is present and is present at parties you will witness what i am talking about first hand.

i would say the resistance is largely inertial and futile once that energy gets going again... it is happening RIGHT NOW in many places- i see it worldwide- but it has a lot to overcome in the minds of places like this forum- where people reduce the ultimate truths of the moment we all realize to mere words that are imprecise and represent our specious spurious thinking and desires of the moment.

thank you.
ocelot
ocelot

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Posted : Mar 5, 2008 05:08
anyway- im sorry i took the bait and discussed my music. thats not the topic of this thread- this is not another thread for me to hijack for $hamele$$ $elf promotion

topic is- homogeneity, identity politics, and the closing of the trance mind.

the reverse topic is perhaps more interesting eh? thats why im starting a new topic
Ellon
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Posted : Mar 5, 2008 11:33
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On 2008-03-05 02:36, heretical wrote:

Totally agree. If anything what needs to go is the bogus hippy spirituality that was basically brought back from the dead. I laughed so hard in the car today when on public ready they did a story about Maharishi Mahesh Yogi. The guy that brought transcendental mediation to the west and was the guy the Beatles followed to india during the height of the hippy era. Well guess what? He died a BILLIONAIRE!!! Not just a millionaire, a billionaire.
That whole era is just such a bunch of bogus hypocrital nonsense.
Someone mentioned in here about capitalism and the stone age. More nonsense. There is a fantastic video on google that graphs out poverty, education, deaths at birth using UN statistics. Every place that has opened up their markets to capitalism is experiencing a beatifull trend towards "good" in all these respects. Like it or not, the corporations many on here i'm sure think are "evil" are doing far far far more good for the world than any music anyone can ever make. It matters not at all if you believe that or not, objective truth is objective truth.
If anything what this scene needs is not "spiritually" but a bent more towards rationality that gets rid of so much of the BS that has accumulated philosophically over time.



Well you base your statement in the failure of the known, forgetting the success of the unknown human-being.....but i agree with you in one thing we must get rid of the bogus...for its killing spirituality!!!!

Moreover, your "corporative" view of the world its incomplete....since the advent of corporations, and due to the fact that they became the major agents of the economical phenomena (and this phenomena became the center of human behaviour), the corporations (economical agents) became also the owners of the proccess of change and decision. So its only natural for you to assume that they are the major responsible for the positive changes in the world....but always remember that it is only due to the fact that it serves their original premeditaded objectif or it comes as a response to an extreme situstion that could endanger the existence of the system and of the equation...

So in the end are you happy with the crumbs you occasionally receive from them? For sure i dont have to describe the other side of the coin....

Finally i want to tell you the "rationality" you describe was once part of spirituality and the proccees of evolution of man`s identity lays in the fact of the achievement. Once you achieve ( and conceptualize) what once was a "spiritual" reality you re-labelled it into rational. So in the end both phenomenas are purely man-created for reality is only one and for now not available to men wether throu reason or spirit....but its important to allow both path. Castration of identity is the mother of all fuck-ups

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Posted : Mar 5, 2008 13:11
The scene was one before Isratrance.

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heretical


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Posted : Mar 5, 2008 17:11
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So in the end are you happy with the crumbs you occasionally receive from them? For sure i dont have to describe the other side of the coin....



Take 20 minutes of your life and watch this, it may change how you view things. It simply comes down to that the crumbs from the "evil corporations" actually feed people, your utopian dreams feed no one.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2670820702819322251&q=Hans+Rosling&total=71&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=0
Ellon
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Posted : Mar 5, 2008 17:56
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On 2008-03-05 17:11, heretical wrote:
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So in the end are you happy with the crumbs you occasionally receive from them? For sure i dont have to describe the other side of the coin....



Take 20 minutes of your life and watch this, it may change how you view things. It simply comes down to that the crumbs from the "evil corporations" actually feed people, your utopian dreams feed no one.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2670820702819322251&q=Hans+Rosling&total=71&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=0



I dont have illusinos regarding utopia (though you dont know my dreams and hopes). What i wrote to you was not a presonal attack but a small (very small) conclusion of years and years of studying....and, if it is important to you, later the recognision of a brilliant result.

Though there is profit to be taken of such innitiatives they are in fact crumbs to the general dimension of the economical structure...but i guess you have no idea.

As you seem to like investigation, take yourself one minute to find the information and compare what is spent annualy by the major "multi-nationals" in providing the change (fictional one) and what is spend at the same time in maintaining the situation, blocking all actions taken in the first....you will be amazed by the numbers!!!!

These "good-will" actions of the major economic agents are actually crumbs compared to what is being spent for the maintaince of the current equation....and though some will benefit from this actions, there is no comparecing with the harm being done to man...

These are socio-economic facts (no conspiracy theory here), you just have to loose some time and put the pieces together.

The way i view things is based on 15years of studying the socio-economic phenomena...and though unfortunately i can`t offer the solution for it but i can say to you that these late issues in our discussion are, regretably, facts....

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Posted : Mar 5, 2008 18:02
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On 2008-03-05 17:11, heretical wrote:
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So in the end are you happy with the crumbs you occasionally receive from them? For sure i dont have to describe the other side of the coin....



Take 20 minutes of your life and watch this, it may change how you view things. It simply comes down to that the crumbs from the "evil corporations" actually feed people, your utopian dreams feed no one.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2670820702819322251&q=Hans+Rosling&total=71&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=0



+1000000

While not all corporations are taking social responsability and making this kind of effort, this show that many of theam can do it.

Capitalism isnt bad at all, the problems mainly rise qhen they abuse workers, resources etc, but the one to stop them and sanction them is goverment, where the hell is goverment to fix this things?
Colin OOOD
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Posted : Mar 5, 2008 18:23
Interesting how the diagrams in that vid often show the existence of two 'humps' in the income curves which correlate to different classes of people - the rich and the poor. Sad to see China, which once was fairly homogenous in terms of income with a nice simple bell-curve, now has an obvious class of super-rich people. When viewed in this way, I'm pretty sure that the data will still show inequalities growing - maybe not on an international scale, but within countries and even communities, as the differences between the 'haves' and the 'have nots' become even more entrenched.

Anyway this is pretty off-topic, so...
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Posted : Mar 5, 2008 20:00
But again the proble here is the STATE, everyone knows market has its failures and some one shoukd fixed it.

Specially education its the only real weapon against poverty, giving people oppotunities to build their own way to wealth.

China and India do this very well, but with such inmense populations it will take more than a century to take everyone out of poverty.

I'm from Mexico and i can say things here are much worse, since education is not a priority to the state and public education is controlled by a corrupt sindicate who's leader only cares about power and money.

Mexico is the clear example of a corrupt capitalism where "free maket" has been the speach of politicians, but in practice they only protect monopolies and give incentives to big coporations. They use the state to disturb the market and benefit the most rich people.


And i think this is not off topic since this problems can be seen in the scene in other scale of course.

For example here in Mexico:

Politicians lie about their proposals = party promoter lie about their line ups.

Police is corrupt and serve the interest of the powerfull = security in parties is abusive.

The people keep voting for the worst politicians out there = people keep going to the worst parties.


aXis
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Posted : Mar 6, 2008 04:35
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On 2008-03-05 20:00, Login wrote:
But again the proble here is the STATE, everyone knows market has its failures and some one shoukd fixed it.

Specially education its the only real weapon against poverty, giving people oppotunities to build their own way to wealth.

China and India do this very well, but with such inmense populations it will take more than a century to take everyone out of poverty.

I'm from Mexico and i can say things here are much worse, since education is not a priority to the state and public education is controlled by a corrupt sindicate who's leader only cares about power and money.

Mexico is the clear example of a corrupt capitalism where "free maket" has been the speach of politicians, but in practice they only protect monopolies and give incentives to big coporations. They use the state to disturb the market and benefit the most rich people.


And i think this is not off topic since this problems can be seen in the scene in other scale of course.

For example here in Mexico:

Politicians lie about their proposals = party promoter lie about their line ups.

Police is corrupt and serve the interest of the powerfull = security in parties is abusive.

The people keep voting for the worst politicians out there = people keep going to the worst parties.






Lol

Replace ' mexico ' wit ' india ' and the situation is true again !

Are we really in the same Paradigm Shift ?? Maybe now i understand wat ocelot's been writing.

There actually is one BIG movement , wit all these diffrnt national undercurrents. Just waiting for one more last boost to come out , Out there .??
Mad Purple State
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Posted : Mar 6, 2008 09:26
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On 2008-03-05 02:36, heretical wrote:
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On 2008-03-04 20:46, Pavel wrote:
Somebody mentioned that lack of spirituality here. Well that's just your opinion. I'm sure some people turned on by mantras and other religious mumbo jumbo I personally find it annoying at best.



Totally agree. If anything what needs to go is the bogus hippy spirituality that was basically brought back from the dead. I laughed so hard in the car today when on public ready they did a story about Maharishi Mahesh Yogi. The guy that brought transcendental mediation to the west and was the guy the Beatles followed to india during the height of the hippy era. Well guess what? He died a BILLIONAIRE!!! Not just a millionaire, a billionaire.
That whole era is just such a bunch of bogus hypocrital nonsense.
Someone mentioned in here about capitalism and the stone age. More nonsense. There is a fantastic video on google that graphs out poverty, education, deaths at birth using UN statistics. Every place that has opened up their markets to capitalism is experiencing a beatifull trend towards "good" in all these respects. Like it or not, the corporations many on here i'm sure think are "evil" are doing far far far more good for the world than any music anyone can ever make. It matters not at all if you believe that or not, objective truth is objective truth.



Who said people dont need wealth in this life? Its a very important factor for your daily needs... Millionair or a trillionaire, doesnt make a difference really

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If anything what this scene needs is not "spiritually" but a bent more towards rationality that gets rid of so much of the BS that has accumulated philosophically over time.



Spirituallity is the highest form of rational thinking.

Mad           No great genius has ever existed without some touch of madness...
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Posted : Mar 6, 2008 09:34
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On 2008-03-06 09:26, Mad Purple State wrote:

Spirituallity is the highest form of rational thinking.

Mad




I totally disagree, I think spituality is the understandig of our feelings, energy and tracendence. BUt it has nothing to do with rationality, at least understanding it as a way of thinking bassed on logic and expierence.


Both are part of the human being, essential parts of it. Some times they meet each other and produce beatiful thing, but they are different things.
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