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homogeneity, identity politics, and the closing of the trance mind

mk47
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Posted : Mar 6, 2008 09:37
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Spirituallity is the highest form of rational thinking.



yea but its a deadly cocktail when mixed with drugs .. imo this scene has reduced idea of spirituality to a joke ..what we've ended up with is basically a bunch of drug crazed ego maniacs preaching the word of the lord from deep within the safe confines of their drug bubble.. iz a big joke man .. the revival or whatever of the old hippie ideas from the 60`s lasted just a few years in goa the last decade . time to move on
Mad Purple State
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Posted : Mar 6, 2008 10:23
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On 2008-03-06 09:34, Login wrote:
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On 2008-03-06 09:26, Mad Purple State wrote:

Spirituallity is the highest form of rational thinking.

Mad




I totally disagree, I think spituality is the understandig of our feelings, energy and tracendence. BUt it has nothing to do with rationality, at least understanding it as a way of thinking bassed on logic and expierence.



Your describtion is very vague... its just some random words put together to try to describe what it really is. Im not trying to convert anyone here... All im saying is dont denounce something you dont understand the workings off. I dont understand science so i dont denounce it... actually captilism science and all those go hand in hand with spiritualism.

It is basically the understanding of self.

How the Body reacts to Objects, How the Mind reacts to Feelings and The Intellect reacts to Thinking of the outside world.

The study of the Body... The Mind... The Intellect (The 3 Human Tools) by which we gather our experiences from the objective world (The Field of knowledge) in different permutations and combanitions makes us the MR. So n So - MR. Ego. The Hero of our autobiography.

How to tune your thoughts feelings and actions to a one point focus to live a life with values only through rationally thinking not blind faith... is what spiritualism is all about.

Everyone person in the world... from developed nations under developed nations developing nations... or never developing nations... has only 3 tools to gather his experiences from the field of knowledge.

The body, the mind, the intellect... the perciver the feeler the thinker... the objects the emotions the thoughts from only 3 fields - The waking state, the dream state, the deep sleep state, may you be einstien or a beggar, a king or a poet you cant go beyond this. Extensive study of this ´logical´ thought is called spiritualism.

Why isnt it rational? If a man can understand himself... isnt it of high value to the society?

Thanx.
Mad

P.S. Mk47 you have a point, it is causing more friction in this psy culture in the new millenium, the scene cannot absorb spiritualism in its bosom anymore... but now and then you meet people with wise thoughts and its beautiful to share these good values.


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Posted : Mar 6, 2008 12:37
Spirituality - Seekers of the right path following music, nature, diversity, character, love, laughter, culture, respect, helping, egoless generation etc.


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On 2008-03-06 12:37, Soul Kontakt wrote:


Spirituality - Seekers of the right path following music, nature, diversity, character, love, laughter, culture, respect, helping, egoless generation etc.


my 2 cents
This is what we need!









That is as true as it gets.
and it has been proved ..
Specially in this part of the world and the cultural background i or we as Indians have ( most of them in this case , related to the scene )



A country where the Buddha attained Nirvana – where people practiced christianity even before europe took to it – where sufis and the mystics walked on lonely trails for days on end, and where as recently as 1995, thousands of ganesha idols suddenly started drinking milk! people still debate if they really did – some believe, others do not.


Spiritualism in India is a way of life with no parallel in the world. It adds meaning to ones desire for peace, inner evolution and quest for excellence towards God and mankind....various places, shrines and temples with special significance , some of them to attain salvation or moksha as well




Strong roots , so its in the genes

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Mad Purple State
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Posted : Mar 6, 2008 18:33
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On 2008-03-06 12:37, Soul Kontakt wrote:
Spirituality - Seekers of the right path following music, nature, diversity, character, love, laughter, culture, respect, helping, egoless generation etc.



+1

Login - I´d like you to watch this. Dont Judge Me... dont judge the speaker...

Watch the whole thing peacefully

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ocelot
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Posted : Mar 6, 2008 20:56
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On 2008-03-06 09:37, mk47 wrote:
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Spirituallity is the highest form of rational thinking.



yea but its a deadly cocktail when mixed with drugs .. imo this scene has reduced idea of spirituality to a joke ..what we've ended up with is basically a bunch of drug crazed ego maniacs preaching the word of the lord from deep within the safe confines of their drug bubble.. iz a big joke man .. the revival or whatever of the old hippie ideas from the 60`s lasted just a few years in goa the last decade . time to move on




dont know what scene local node you are currently affiliating with but i assure you there is the minimum of a planetary network in place. i dont know if you find it funny but i do that when i meet someone in one country we are talking about some mutual friend on some other continent... that in itself is something many scenes can not say. scenes are just excuses to associate our humanity and get other things connected and going... the celebrations mean one thing for one person another for the organizer, another for vendors if they exist another for a person working a parking shift...
there is a culture going on here...
its not the same as hippy 60s things...
i dont know if there are common ideals or goals but there is something going on here... if you even participate in a party in any way dancing whatever... you have something to contribute. usually parties involve a lot of DIY stuff also- great opportunities...
to make cool new differnt things... very nice
its about having high quality- not about having a repeat of the 60s.
i want high quality - and efforts for high quality. dont you?
aXis
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Posted : Mar 7, 2008 04:15
ocelot u are on a totaly diffrnt wavelength .

MK47 u are the man . But hey one question , where do u put the music in the scene then ??? !!

I beleive this music has not hing to do wit spirituality n shit ,.... if u dedicate urslf to anything , even cleanliness , u will find godliness. PLEASE leave my music alone
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Posted : Mar 7, 2008 17:55
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On 2008-03-06 12:37, Soul Kontakt wrote:
Spirituality - Seekers of the right path following music, nature, diversity, character, love, laughter, culture, respect, helping, egoless generation etc.




I would define "spirituality" as THE ACT of searching for a higher state of being of human existence. The problem though is there is no higher state of being to be found. What you see is what you get. To me Monty Python's Quest for the Holy Grail is the perfect metaphor for spirituallity. Its a joke, but you think your on the right path while you take yourself even farther away from reality. Your like one of the characters in Monty Python who is taking the roll seriously.
The Dalai Lama is not on some higher level of existence than you. He is just some guy that has been deluded since birth into thinking he is some kind of higher being yet everything he does is all so human. I remember paying 100 bucks to go see him basically tell a crowd of thousands to be nice to eachother. If you actually investigate things deeper though you find they have an idea of using young boys as sex objects, was on the CIA payroll for a 100k a year and now with all his "appearances" easily makes well beyond that. Probly has more money anyone on this board. Humans love to build mythology out of weakness of not being able to accept that this reality is all there is. Ghandi is turned into some kind of Saint even though he was a racist who would sleep next to naked young girls to "test his will". Sai Baba dupes people out of hundreds of thousands of dollars by performing sleight of hand magic tricks and I'm sure gets laid alot more than I do.
Its the same story every where you look. Humans naturally want to make things more than they are, someone developes a cult of personality to feed into this desire and then exploits that weakness for money and sex.
We all have exactly the same brains as humans did during ancient times. We are evolving but there is only 150 generations between us an the ancient greeks. Evolution takes thousands of generations to produce change, not hundreds. Anything built on top of that that pretends to differentiate one current human from another is a ruse.
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Posted : Mar 7, 2008 18:42

@heretical - those people you have mentioned are not really spiritual gurus man . dalai lama is supposed to be a revolutionist of sorts , tibet's exiled leader n all that , may be has a big influence in ur part of the world , but definitely not in india or around


and talking abt gandhi , he was a freedom fighter .
never known anyone in my life yet , who thinks he's a saint :S



and yes the most important 1 , the Sai Baba u talking about is actually some baba who has kept his name sai baba , anfd he is NOT THE REAL SAI BABABA.

the sai baba u mentioned belongs to somewhere in south india , while the real Sai Baba who has a major following belonged to a place in western india

http://www.google.co.in/search?hl=en&q=sai+baba&meta=

this is the real Sai Baba

the one ur talking about is of the new existence , and practises himself as a major guru is supposed to be a quite a fake




oh back to the topic -
spirituallity is definitely a source of evolution .


bOM




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Posted : Mar 7, 2008 20:49
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On 2008-03-07 04:15, aXis wrote:
ocelot u are on a totaly diffrnt wavelength .

MK47 u are the man . But hey one question , where do u put the music in the scene then ??? !!

I beleive this music has not hing to do wit spirituality n shit ,.... if u dedicate urslf to anything , even cleanliness , u will find godliness. PLEASE leave my music alone



The music and its meaning has to do with whatever you make of it.....if you have a spiritual approach to the music it gains a spiritual dimension - a personal one which you than can relate with more people. On the other hand if you dont have this approach you dont get this dimension, though i have to say that i fail to see the dimension you will be getting. Music makes me think and feel - key factors of spiritual dimension and awareness.

@Heretical

Mate i really think that you distrust the world and you try to lock it into something you might aspire to control....again i tell you, i focus on the known failures and forget the daily "success" of the unknown man
          
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Posted : Mar 7, 2008 21:37
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On 2008-03-06 18:33, Mad Purple State wrote:
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On 2008-03-06 12:37, Soul Kontakt wrote:
Spirituality - Seekers of the right path following music, nature, diversity, character, love, laughter, culture, respect, helping, egoless generation etc.



+1

Login - I´d like you to watch this. Dont Judge Me... dont judge the speaker...

Watch the whole thing peacefully

http://www.chinmayauk.org/Video/TMA1.jpg

Mad



Hik, i was thinkking a lot yesterday aboput the discussion here. I admit I'm wrong, spirituality indeed its rational, my mistake came from my personal ataachment to cientific knowledge and rationality, but being honest rational thinking is not only cientific.

In fact I revisted how I come to apreciate spirituality, hoe it helped me to feel better and encounter peace.

Sorry for the misundertanding
Mad Purple State
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Posted : Mar 8, 2008 00:54
Man... I didnt post the link right http://www.chinmayauk.org/Video/TMA1.htm

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Posted : Mar 8, 2008 02:27
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PLEASE leave my music alone



of course that everyone can do what he feels,wants .. whatever
but can reflect bad in psytrance music
i agree with ocelot that experimenting ( making new sounds ) it would be fresh for psytrance because personally im tired of listening same music all the time , the new releases that are going out these years .. no quality ... maybe can be good for the people that start to listen psytrance now .. but they miss many good sounds..

everything changes, so artists should work more in their music ..
years are going and i dont like the future of psytrance.. for fullon i dont want to talk because everyone its seeing in wich way it is going .. wired ,porno .. wtf

for pure pure psytrance, im missing those sounds.. WE nED new things , we need new artists !


buuuut ... the bad thing that its happening in artists now its that they are trying to change their style .. and many fans are dissapointed..

we are listening a cheap , but we have good communitys around the world


BIG RESPECT FOR OCELOT !


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duodenumz
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Posted : Mar 8, 2008 04:26
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On 2008-03-02 04:11, heretical wrote:
Personally, I blame vsts/computer DAWs and mp3s for the current state of psytrance.
I don't think its a coincidence that as this music became cheaper and cheaper to make, the creativity become less and less.
In the 90s you had to make a serious commitment to music and spend at least 5k to even come close to being able to assemble a track. Now in a day you can download everything for free to assemble a track. What this has ultimately done is squeaze out the artist who want to make a living at this from taking risks and simply make music with the best possiblity to reach the largest audience. Sure there are exceptions like the thread starters music but I know if I was a professional artist I would make the most cookie cutter full on since you have to pay bills and buy food.
There isn't a solution to this, you can't put this genie back in the bottle.



dude, you can't blame technology. this isn't The Terminator.

we have the tools now to make music that is incredibly psychedelic, so people should have advanced the music to keep up. instead, they chose to make "Psy"trance that is ever closer to UK Hardtrance and other less cerebral, more-dancefloor styles. some styles of music have only gotten better as technology has progressed (ie Tech-House).

guess who should be blamed? us. the party organizers. the labels. everyone (in the general sense) has allowed the shift to happen by supporting fake artists, fake live sets, homogeneous DJ lineups, and horrible, juvenile tendencies.

look at the film industry here in LA. 95% of the films produced here are derivative works. when an original thought occurs, it cuts through the crap like a knife. but the public has to support originality with their $$$, which tends to not happen.

in a democracy, the people ultimately have the power to shape their destiny. whether they have the motivation and intelligence to exercise that power is another matter.
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