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homogeneity, identity politics, and the closing of the trance mind

Ellon
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Posted : Mar 3, 2008 15:48
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On 2008-03-03 13:35, Saikozaurus wrote:

Ocelot, great respect for you, for sure you know how It should be!




+1....           
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Mad Purple State
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Posted : Mar 3, 2008 16:11
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On 2008-03-03 13:35, Saikozaurus wrote:
The porblem is that mostly producers forget about magic, mission, romantic and mystic in psychedelic trance. They dont read spiritual books, they dont practice anything, they dont searching for ... They start talking that psychedelic trance just music. Its just art. Its just parties. Its just people. Its just drugs. So, what they trying to give us when they made sounds...
Ocelot, great respect for you, for sure you know how It should be!




Thats the problem even on this site! Spiritualism is actually forbidden here...!!! And I feel one of the most positive vibrations that this scene brings to us is through a spiritual upliftment... at that moment of dance where your ego has left your soul... your mind body intellect just dilute into yourself... that point of exstacy... everyone calls it a feeling of the 90´s ... calls it fake, I have felt it and nothing exterior can shake that belief.

This music touches the borders of spiritualism... and artists should feel that!
May it be Allah, Father in Heaven, Buddha state of Cociousness, or Lord of the Universe Shiva for you ... We see this mighty lord´s touch of power giving us a magical life... blowing us away with each note, dont lose that feeling... that oneness still exists... we just gotta beilive in ourselves!!!

There was a topic opened earlier on whether to have various stages or just one at a festival... and my arguement was for the same reason... we are dividing ourselves... we are all one. Always will be ...

Bring on ANY style you wish ... Im sure everyone here is ready to accept what you got.

Boom.
Mad

          No great genius has ever existed without some touch of madness...
Fria Tantrumm


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Posted : Mar 3, 2008 16:40
I personally do not think a producer needs to be tuned in to spirituality, mysticism or magic in order to create something psychedelic. I think this is a cliche. Some people have music in their bones and some don't, and no ammount of searching or reading or studying will create a talent that does not exist. Alot of producers have no musical training. It takes alot more than just mastering electronic mechanics in order to create music. Beethoven was not a spiritual man, yet he created magic, and I do find alot of classical music extremely psychedelic. So, some people have it, some people don't and so from a group of 1000 producers usually only a small handfull will truly be able to make unique psychedelic music...and those ar ethe ones who have a natural talent for it.           **************************************
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Mad Purple State
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Posted : Mar 3, 2008 16:59
Agreed.

that it not always needs to be a spiritualistic approach. But that feeling of uplifting a person means you uplift his ´spirit´! The person is STUNNED with positive vibrations... he is just awwweedd by the beauty of it... there is spiritualism in that ... even if the producer has not approached the sound with that spiritual intent... he has produced the effect...

That effect when caught by us... makes us very aware of the magic of life aroun us. And when we express it in terms of spiritualism... its degraded as a wannabe attitude nowadays because people feel its abused.

It should be accepted by all ... that this movement enlightens us all to another level.

Mad.           No great genius has ever existed without some touch of madness...
Ellon
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Posted : Mar 3, 2008 17:46
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On 2008-03-03 16:40, Fria Tantrumm wrote:
I personally do not think a producer needs to be tuned in to spirituality, mysticism or magic in order to create something psychedelic. I think this is a cliche. Some people have music in their bones and some don't, and no ammount of searching or reading or studying will create a talent that does not exist. Alot of producers have no musical training. It takes alot more than just mastering electronic mechanics in order to create music. Beethoven was not a spiritual man, yet he created magic, and I do find alot of classical music extremely psychedelic. So, some people have it, some people don't and so from a group of 1000 producers usually only a small handfull will truly be able to make unique psychedelic music...and those ar ethe ones who have a natural talent for it.




Actually Beethoven was very spiritual person, even if very much a man of the iluminism period...but if you look close to him/his story you will find a deep spiritual man.....on the other hand apparently he was very unpleasant person

But i also agree with you....music is inside of you nomatter how much you study
and practice....some of the most beautiful pieces of music are of an extreme simplicity...But this "gift" for music can also be related to a certain presence of the spirit" in the musician even if he doesnt believe or recognize....

Nice words Mad Unity is the key.....          
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papay


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Posted : Mar 3, 2008 18:33
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On 2008-03-01 19:23:02, ocelot wrote:
if you buy a compilation its about 8-10 tracks of more or less the same exact music. same kind of track structure and same kinds of sounds...


yep and one of the tracks is made by artist that calls himself ocelot

Mad Purple State
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Posted : Mar 3, 2008 18:41
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On 2008-03-03 18:33, papay wrote:
Quote:

On 2008-03-01 19:23:02, ocelot wrote:
if you buy a compilation its about 8-10 tracks of more or less the same exact music. same kind of track structure and same kinds of sounds...


yep and one of the tracks is made by artist that calls himself ocelot





LOL... HIGHLY disagree...

If you see Ocelots 4 albums... not even ONE albums is similar to the other... hez always evolving to a new style...

If you see... not ONE person would object ocelot starting this topic is because when it comes to innovating music... hez a winner.

          No great genius has ever existed without some touch of madness...
papay


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Posted : Mar 3, 2008 18:52
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On 2008-03-03 18:41, Mad Purple State wrote:
Quote:

On 2008-03-03 18:33, papay wrote:
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On 2008-03-01 19:23:02, ocelot wrote:
if you buy a compilation its about 8-10 tracks of more or less the same exact music. same kind of track structure and same kinds of sounds...


yep and one of the tracks is made by artist that calls himself ocelot





LOL... HIGHLY disagree...

If you see Ocelots 4 albums... not even ONE albums is similar to the other... hez always evolving to a new style...

If you see... not ONE person would object ocelot starting this topic is because when it comes to innovating music... hez a winner.




it s your opinion and i respect that but still i dont see no justification for him to bash somebody else when he s as quilty as the rest


enough blaa blaa i go to listen some bootsy collins at least he got musical talent more than all the psy trance producers combined
Mad Purple State
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Posted : Mar 3, 2008 19:00
i respect you too.

b´om           No great genius has ever existed without some touch of madness...
Adigroovy
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Posted : Mar 3, 2008 20:25
@papay , Even he is producer or in your mind can be one of those... he has right to make an open statement like that he says it loud and clear. I heard ocelot's tracks with identity from goa, progressive, twilight to deep psychedelic, btw there are not many out there who can say that.           to use your head you have to go out of your mind
papay


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Posted : Mar 3, 2008 21:07
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On 2008-03-03 20:25, Adigroovy wrote:
@papay , Even he is producer or in your mind can be one of those... he has right to make an open statement like that he says it loud and clear. I heard ocelot's tracks with identity from goa, progressive, twilight to deep psychedelic, btw there are not many out there who can say that.


once again this is your opinion and i respect that even though i don t agree,personally i think there is much more important issues in this life than some acid flavoured view about psytrance as far as im concerned i can allways skip the parties if i think the vibe sux and so on it s very easy rather than torturing yourself in a party and thinking"goddamn this sux i don t like this and this etc"


and to adigroovy there is only 2 kind of people that need genres:::

1.critics
&
2.marketing people


that s it my 5 pennies 2 this topic
makus
Overdream

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Posted : Mar 3, 2008 21:30
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Posted : Mar 3, 2008 21:49

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only 2 kind of people that need genres:::

1.critics
&
2.marketing people







quite true to an extent





Dogon
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Posted : Mar 3, 2008 22:15
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On 2008-03-03 21:07, papay wrote:
there is only 2 kind of people that need genres:::

1.critics
&
2.marketing people




well said; true that..... music lovers don't need the boxes           We were born naked & grow up to become wicked.
Fria Tantrumm


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Posted : Mar 4, 2008 00:40
I personally don't think it's the movement that enlightens. I think it's solely the music that has the ability to enlighten. And on that note, some of the most beautifull music created is not positive, neither is it uplifting, yet in its totality to invoke an emotion, be it negative or positive, it comes across as extremely beautifull and genius. Without the minor there would be no major, without the negative there would be no positive. ANd yes, I do agree that in order to strike chords to someone's soul, the creator needs to be in touch with his/her own spirit There will always be homogeneity, and there will always be a very few handfull who are able to deviate from the homogenous pool. This is what separates the masters from the ordinary.
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