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andrew interchill
IsraTrance Junior Member

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Posted : Apr 2, 2008 21:01
Shahar is absolutely right that people ought to communicate with respect for others... even in disagreement or in making an ironic point.

however if they fail to do so, I reckon it is best to let their disrespect remain visible and present rather than lock down the thread.

that is what i meant by falling under the weight of their words.

personal stuff is just a distraction from actual substance - people ought to moderate themselves.

we don't need protection - people will make their own judgement. hopefully we won't all agree !

i think the original thread had some interesting elements regarding the "commercial" side of this genre and could have lead to more discussions about the interplay between art and entertainment.

The downtempo or psychill genre is potentially so wide, and yet there is so much material released that is derivative. There are many very notable exceptions.

Moreno was urging a break away from the same old repeating patterns, from tried and tested formulas, from predictable arrangements and over used sample banks [voices of india anyone ?]

Love their music or not, Simon P and Raja broke new ground with Shpongle. I think the challenge is not to try to emulate them and other genre definers but to take bold original steps instead- and to move outside of the ordinary and be more demanding as music lovers.

raise the standard a bit if you will






Buttercup
IsraTrance Junior Member

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Posts :  189
Posted : Apr 2, 2008 23:14
Dear Maux,
who the f**k gives u the right to think that your small disagreements with the management policy interst all this forum members????
that's what pm's for, amigo!
Give us a rest and go find another fight club....           ---------------------------------------------
"I've reached to the top and now can't stop
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MARGHERITA
Master Margherita

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Posts :  1442
Posted : Apr 2, 2008 23:21
Promo info for the Entheo cd
http://hunabku.biz/proddetail.php?prod=ecd002

Quote:

“Flight of the Urubus” is something of an awakening experience in itself. 




...... no comments......


Quote:

This peek into the souls of the creators is at times funky and upbeat, whilst being chilled enough to be a perfect accompaniment to meditation, journeying and healing.



i do reckon, for music therapy, the quality of the music is not a important point.
sometime, mustakes, are much more powerfull & effective than "good takes"...


but still ,
for a band selling them-self under the flag of:
- freedom
- sacred rituals
- mind expanction

the music show into the cd is pretty low standard.
the production is not at all evolving, is more (as peoples write under the reviews) going backward to the first album sound.....

with the shpongle adventure (3 cd until today)
im allways surprise.
they use (off course) all the codes under "psychill" flag ,
but all most, they push the research somewhere...
allways you have new ideas comming from this project.....

i can not say the same for etheogenic or many of the present producers under "psychill" flag.....


3 options:
- news composers, young kids, they still learning about how to compose

- composers are making music with only a comercial purpose (like britney spear)
or
- composers can not go out of this "system of composition" because they have no knowledge for expand theird brains/visions ....


as i say, is just ridiculus to see how close-mind many "psychill" composers are...
this scene is so small, experimentation must be the rule...

all most,
try to do your best for "fuck the norms"....

Cheers





vector_0
IsraTrance Full Member

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Posted : Apr 2, 2008 23:32
Quote:

On 2008-04-02 23:21, MARGHERITA wrote:

as i say, is just ridiculus to see how close-mind many "psychill" composers are...
this scene is so small, experimentation must be the rule...










i love you and your music, man, but i gotta say, you sounded pretty closed minded yourself in that other thread. I'm a little disillusioned to hear such cynicism from such prominent members of our community (not just you).

Very sad to hear things like "this is not an lsd dream, this is reality" or "deluded DMT smokers." How could anyone who has respect for the power of these substances say things like this. or furthermore, how could someone who DOESN'T have respect for these substances have the nerve to talk about this music with authority.

I think you're all taking this waaaayyyyyyyy too seriously. Entheogenic = cool trippy sound loops. psychill scene = miniscule & unimportant. who cares if everyone loves entheogenic's "formulas", but overlooks peaking goddess collective's "musical originality"....we're only talking about 200 people worldwide!! lol.

get over yourselves and your egos. you're losing whatever psychedelics may have taught you (if you've ever even done them....)
          http://soundcloud.com/rob-vector
MARGHERITA
Master Margherita

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Posts :  1442
Posted : Apr 2, 2008 23:47
yes true Vector_O ,,,

btw:
i have no perfect answer...
i'm not the perfect being....
and
i have my ego (off course)

use the "psychil" codes of composition is not wrong,

im speaking very open and public about what is in my mind,,,
its a risky buisness into forums...

and also , we are shaking a bit the shanti state with maux, we like "provocate" reactions
and we like do it not into a very "un-politicaly un-correct" way

cheers
andrew interchill
IsraTrance Junior Member

Started Topics :  26
Posts :  435
Posted : Apr 3, 2008 01:32
not everyone does like the psy chill formulas, and not liking them certainly does not imply that you have to like music on peak or any other label... simply does not follow.

people breaking new ground are all over the place... try the muti label, try bass science..., vibesquad, try the amazing Devotion by Cheb i Sabbah on 6 degrees...

i think you're right that the psy chill scene is a bit limited...

after all, psychedelic means unexpected and that by definition means without formula.


Random14


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Posts :  160
Posted : Apr 3, 2008 02:35


I'm loving this thread

People saying what they think, fighting, getting nervous,,egoes being touched


Amazing

Keep it up guys!


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          www.virb.com/random14
maux
Mauxuam

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Posts :  546
Posted : Apr 3, 2008 03:13
hey...you are again very defensive sahar...
don't worry...I will not consume your precious quote buttons...I see that the ones who are tacking things too seriously here is neither me neither MM....
honestly I am having a fat laugh...
I am not here to discuss entheogenic music...so I don't start any SERIOUS discussion about that....as I said I am not interested...like I would not be interested in commenting Buddha Bar compilations....
but I am very much interested in the freedom of speech,,,freedom of expression of opinions...of my mate MM in this case (and you all know that we don't always agree)...the freedom to challenge each other even with heavy provocations..and heavy jokes...it's all good....until somebody thinks he can patronize it...like you did...right on April fool day...what a sign is that ?---
a sign of silence....and a sign of power.
and to me smells a bit ..... I had the doubt that you were protecting your clients...I don't want to start a new rant about your lovely banners here....but I see that you are very touchy about it.
curiously I never insulted anyone here...check my posts...but instead I got back lots of insults as an answer to my provocations...but somehow you all get this idea that I am the aggressive one....(btw...sahar tnx for the interesting description of the mad italian...I will put in my biography)..

so those one who don't agree with the power and fight it back are instantly tagged as terrorists....we all know the show....isn't it ?

alleluya

ps.buttercup...I don't need to answer to you...do I ?
          "There is only one corner of the universe you can be certain will never improve, and that's here." Aldus
MARGHERITA
Master Margherita

Started Topics :  156
Posts :  1442
Posted : Apr 3, 2008 03:34
Maux we must seriousely thinking about:

why filter cut-off & resonance are so effective with psychedelics compounds



PS:
http://forum.isratrance.com/why-filter-cut-off-resonance-are-so-effective-with-psychedelics-compounds/
Justin Chaos
IsraTrance Full Member

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Posts :  3086
Posted : Apr 3, 2008 10:28
Quote:

On 2008-04-02 23:32, vector_0 wrote:

Very sad to hear things like "this is not an lsd dream, this is reality" or "deluded DMT smokers." How could anyone who has respect for the power of these substances say things like this.


I could tell you 1 or 2 things about this particular substances...but I'll leave the shamanic bollocks, for any producer out there abusing McKenna samples and flutes.

The thing is, as MM stated before, that mostly the people who seems to love this Psychill thingy, is people who was listening to the last tracks of trance albums 'til they bought Butterfly Dawn, or Blumenkraft...or whatever, you name it.

No real background or culture in music, that's the thing...check the thread called "I want to remind you..." when someone posted a 2002 Talamasca track (indeed the last of the album) as a timeless classic.

So...it's easy for Entheogenic or any other act, just follow the same pattern it's been copied for 20 years, and still alive and kicking.

I read once a very cool graffiti in Paris (later I found out it's been there since May 68).

"Eat shit, billions of flies can't be wrong"
          My fake plants died, because I did not pretend to water them.
brujo6


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Posted : Apr 3, 2008 15:56
Quote:

On 2008-04-02 23:32, vector_0 wrote:
Quote:

On 2008-04-02 23:21, MARGHERITA wrote:

as i say, is just ridiculus to see how close-mind many "psychill" composers are...
this scene is so small, experimentation must be the rule...










i love you and your music, man, but i gotta say, you sounded pretty closed minded yourself in that other thread. I'm a little disillusioned to hear such cynicism from such prominent members of our community (not just you).

Very sad to hear things like "this is not an lsd dream, this is reality" or "deluded DMT smokers." How could anyone who has respect for the power of these substances say things like this. or furthermore, how could someone who DOESN'T have respect for these substances have the nerve to talk about this music with authority.

I think you're all taking this waaaayyyyyyyy too seriously. Entheogenic = cool trippy sound loops. psychill scene = miniscule & unimportant. who cares if everyone loves entheogenic's "formulas", but overlooks peaking goddess collective's "musical originality"....we're only talking about 200 people worldwide!! lol.

get over yourselves and your egos. you're losing whatever psychedelics may have taught you (if you've ever even done them....)





This is the best post on the whole topic!!!


I find it very arrogant that somebody here wants to tell me what is good or bad music, because he knows so much better then most of us. Specially coming from an artist. Ok I dont like your music, but its not by attacking my taste I will like yours better.

So much ego here it is indeed disgusting.

Some artists sale more then others, and so what, people obviously like their music, who are you to question that.
And you can, but not in a disrespectful way, in my opinion you lost all your credability, for me at least thats the case.

If I wish you now Love and light you probably will call me a wanker, but thats your problem not mine.




lucidpicnic
Lucid Picnic

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Posted : Apr 3, 2008 19:38
did someone say coke?
          Whatever the Thinker thinks, the Prover proves

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Androcell
Androcell

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Posted : Apr 3, 2008 19:44
I think I'll trust my instincts and make the music I want to make regardless of the demand for experimentation. If experimentation doesn't get my emotions across, then it's secondary to me.

Why are those who want better music in the scene always "talking" about it instead of "doing" it. Actions will always speak louder than words. Let's take it from the chatter box to the beat box.


NNDMT-AUS


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Posted : Apr 3, 2008 22:21
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On 2008-04-03 19:38, lucidpicnic wrote:
did someone say coke?











go straight to 7min 40 sec

it's shockingly good - NZ production..
Have we all become so fat & blood stained CRITIC ! I question thee...

Cathari = Pure in greek







really worth watching for those who believe in anything - Mark Twain..

Your all full of it !!!




''Waste no more time arguing about what a good man should be. Be one.'' or more pertinently: ''Let not your mind run on what you lack, as much as on what you have already.''

Samsara


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Posts :  124
Posted : Apr 3, 2008 22:30
Quote:

On 2008-04-03 19:44, Androcell wrote:
I think I'll trust my instincts and make the music I want to make regardless of the demand for experimentation. If experimentation doesn't get my emotions across, then it's secondary to me.

Why are those who want better music in the scene always "talking" about it instead of "doing" it. Actions will always speak louder than words. Let's take it from the chatter box to the beat box.







Amen to that!





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