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Outolintu
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Posted : Apr 3, 2008 22:56
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oh man, i'm away from isratrance for a couple of days and ofcourse that's the time when all the action takes place!
please do me a favour and let people know in advance (one week would be nice). i'm not sure if i can take another disapointment like this again. maybe you could buy some banner time from isratrance and advertise the coming "event"? 
my unimportant thoughts about the matter:
MOST of the music in ANY genre is copypaste music working with the "good old recepies"
that sell. but there will always also be those who like to experiment, try to do something new (which is an illusion since everything is done already. we need first new ways of perceiving and/or decoding sensory data to get somewhere truly new imo) or atleast fresh sounding. not everybody as an artist/listener can/is willing to break free of the recepy since it's way too EASY to stick with it. exploration, experimenting and thus learning about yourself =/& everybody else is energy consuming hard work and one has to be very commited to do so.
did that make any sense? did i contribute to the topic? i hope not 
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vector_0
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Posted : Apr 3, 2008 22:59
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On 2008-04-02 23:32, vector_0 wrote:
Very sad to hear things like "this is not an lsd dream, this is reality" or "deluded DMT smokers." How could anyone who has respect for the power of these substances say things like this.
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I could tell you 1 or 2 things about this particular substances...but I'll leave the shamanic bollocks, for any producer out there abusing McKenna samples and flutes.
The thing is, as MM stated before, that mostly the people who seems to love this Psychill thingy, is people who was listening to the last tracks of trance albums 'til they bought Butterfly Dawn, or Blumenkraft...or whatever, you name it.
No real background or culture in music, that's the thing...check the thread called "I want to remind you..." when someone posted a 2002 Talamasca track (indeed the last of the album) as a timeless classic.
So...it's easy for Entheogenic or any other act, just follow the same pattern it's been copied for 20 years, and still alive and kicking.
I read once a very cool graffiti in Paris (later I found out it's been there since May 68).
"Eat shit, billions of flies can't be wrong"
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do you actually like psychedelic music/culture? or are you just here out of habit?
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moksha_mind
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Posted : Apr 3, 2008 23:00
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On 2008-04-03 19:44, Androcell wrote:
I think I'll trust my instincts and make the music I want to make regardless of the demand for experimentation. If experimentation doesn't get my emotions across, then it's secondary to me. 
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words of wisdom...follow your bliss. this has always worked for me.
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Why are those who want better music in the scene always "talking" about it instead of "doing" it. Actions will always speak louder than words. Let's take it from the chatter box to the beat box. |
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what about those of us who can't seem to get around to making anything of our own cause the music we listen to is already supremely satisfying? make worse music everyone so I have more incentive! "The sparrow is sorry for the peacock for the burden of its tail" -Rabindranath Tagore
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andrew interchill
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Posted : Apr 3, 2008 23:11
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I fully agree with Tyler that action counts more than words, but this is a forum and words are what we use here to exchange ideas...
I know what you mean though, usually writing in a forum is a poor substitute for real work... a kind of procrastination.
speaking of action / real work, I'm very much looking forward to our release of the Mauxuam album Viceversa - music being a more elegant means of communication than words.
we'll have art instead of opinion...
audio and album artwork by Maux... with some fine collaborations on a few tunes...
info / audio / etc coming soon...
baq to work now
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vector_0
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Posted : Apr 3, 2008 23:15
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On 2008-04-03 22:56, Outolintu wrote:
oh man, i'm away from isratrance for a couple of days and ofcourse that's the time when all the action takes place!
please do me a favour and let people know in advance (one week would be nice). i'm not sure if i can take another disapointment like this again. maybe you could buy some banner time from isratrance and advertise the coming "event"?
my unimportant thoughts about the matter:
MOST of the music in ANY genre is copypaste music working with the "good old recepies"
that sell. but there will always also be those who like to experiment, try to do something new (which is an illusion since everything is done already. we need first new ways of perceiving and/or decoding sensory data to get somewhere truly new imo) or atleast fresh sounding. not everybody as an artist/listener can/is willing to break free of the recepy since it's way too EASY to stick with it. exploration, experimenting and thus learning about yourself =/& everybody else is energy consuming hard work and one has to be very commited to do so.
did that make any sense? did i contribute to the topic? i hope not
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totally agree, man. I mean, even the beatles who are praised endlessly for their originality were just ripping off Stravinsky and Stockhausen...but that doesn't mean that their music is any less great.
even Beethoven said that there's nothing original in music, what with only 12 notes :-P
all that matters is whether or not the sounds are pleasing to your ears
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damon
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Posted : Apr 3, 2008 23:29
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On 2008-04-03 22:56, Outolintu wrote:
my unimportant thoughts about the matter:
MOST of the music in ANY genre is copypaste music working with the "good old recepies"
that sell. but there will always also be those who like to experiment, try to do something new (which is an illusion since everything is done already. we need first new ways of perceiving and/or decoding sensory data to get somewhere truly new imo) or atleast fresh sounding.
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I'm waiting for the moment when we'll be able to experience synesthesia on daily basis without any "artificial help"
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vector_0
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Posted : Apr 3, 2008 23:41
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On 2008-04-03 22:56, Outolintu wrote:
my unimportant thoughts about the matter:
MOST of the music in ANY genre is copypaste music working with the "good old recepies"
that sell. but there will always also be those who like to experiment, try to do something new (which is an illusion since everything is done already. we need first new ways of perceiving and/or decoding sensory data to get somewhere truly new imo) or atleast fresh sounding.
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I'm waiting for the moment when we'll be able to experience synesthesia on daily basis without any "artificial help"
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like Daniel Tammet? ;-)
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damon
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Posted : Apr 3, 2008 23:47
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On 2008-04-03 23:41, vector_0 wrote:
like Daniel Tammet? ;-)
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I'd like to "see, hear and feel" music on energetic level. Not big fan of the numbers though (I had to google this guy  )
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maux
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Posted : Apr 4, 2008 05:58
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On 2008-04-03 22:56, Outolintu wrote:
oh man, i'm away from isratrance for a couple of days and ofcourse that's the time when all the action takes place!
please do me a favour and let people know in advance (one week would be nice). i'm not sure if i can take another disapointment like this again. maybe you could buy some banner time from isratrance and advertise the coming "event"?
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lol...good idea !
or we could do a monthly meeting to allow us to say what we think about anything and be emotional about it and take it out...it could be a therapy...Osho style.
I agree with Androcell this time 
experimental music it doesn't mean good music....actually most of the time it is boring, cold, and a show off of technic...
but it is still interesting to listen to it to get inspiration I think....and break a bit the box of those 12 notes and 16th grids.
and how Outolintu well wrote before...there is not much to discover anymore...everything has been done already...all words been spoken already...but we still have great opportunities of creating something new changing the order of things...randomizing a bit the content...escaping the rules.
I am not personally interested in doing experimental music...or to do music that is just experimental...more important is that the music has some soul...for sure.
but I never know where I will end up when I start a tune...it has his own life.
I hate templates (even more than banners)...and I think that using them too much and for too long
atrophies your creativity...and produces predictable music that atrophies your senses...dilute your emotions...your brain is nutellified...
new senses or detox the ones we have and get curious again ?
about drugs and substances...everyone has his own diets and his own idea of psychedelia...for me there is nothing more shamanic than silence...expecially on dmt.
just some more off topic quite polite random nonsense
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tony4007
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Posted : Apr 5, 2008 00:27
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"just some more off topic quite polite random nonsense"
more like bad heckling, your that guy!
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babag
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Posted : Apr 6, 2008 21:04
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maux
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Posted : Apr 7, 2008 13:10
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On 2008-04-06 21:04, babag wrote:
i love you maux and andrew
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oohhhh...a nice way to start the week.
love to you too.
"There is only one corner of the universe you can be certain will never improve, and that's here." Aldus |
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Posted : Apr 7, 2008 19:53
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boooooommm |
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Madpup
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Posted : Apr 9, 2008 13:35
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Sorry...this is a repost from Artist Respect thread....I am gunning for a bigger audience!
Within any genre, you always get some 'underground music heroes' popping up on message boards and trying to save the 'blind and deaf' majority from their 'appaling' music tastes and attack some of scene's biggest artists with highly patronising tones, calling anyone who may like their music 'uncultured, brainwashed, idiots' etc. I remember how Isratrance nearly exploded after the last Twisted party where a few characters had some extremely nasty things to say about Simon P, OTT and the whole Twisted crew.
I just had a look through all the threads on Entheogenic and what Master Margharita and Maux had to say for themselves. I am a biggest fan of Entheogenic, and I have no comment on either MM's music or Maux's music because I havent heard it, but one thing to me is apparent. The guys (MM and Maux) come across really badly as human beings, their words are full of arrogance, patronisation, cynisism and bitterness. Not good traits to have at all.
I can understand how they want to make people see that there is much better music than the generic, uninventive, by the numbers psychill, but the way they are going about it is not showing them in very good light. There are so many different and I think better ways that opinion can be expressed.
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andrew interchill
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Posted : Apr 9, 2008 20:06
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vince said it very well...
Shall we stay always politically correct? shall we stay always constructive? Hahaha, come on, everyone is happy when someone say : " cool, mate, fantastic release, amazing, killlaaaaaa..". So we need to accept the inverse words! (crap, shit, bullshit...).
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