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GLADE.best uk party or biggest uk rip off?
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etnarama
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Posted : Mar 30, 2006 19:04
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Harmony
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Posted : Mar 31, 2006 14:17
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Never been. Never had any desire to although lineup does look really good this year.
Glastonbury £130, Glade £100. Glastonbury 112,500 people, Glade 13,000.
And even if Glade has a better trance lineup, Glastonbury does really win hands down on overall lineup.
I always thought Glastonbury was extortionate but...
If I had shitloads of money I'd consider going but alas, I don't so I'm off to europe, prefer festys without fences and the kind of folk that jump them anyday
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zatitude
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Posted : Apr 2, 2006 11:53
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As explained in their email newletter, the main reason the price went up is to jack up security, ie a fook-off big fence Glasto-style, and and more patrols.
Glade last year became a victim of its own success and whilst not all were, certainly the cretin factor of those who jumped the fences spoilt the party for a lot of people. It has not nothing to do with greed.
100 Quid is expensive, certainly this side of the planet, yet there is a possie of us coming to the UK specially for this festival, because its really unique and in excellent organisational hands.
The fantastic thing about this (and most psy trance festivals) is that they happen with commercial sponsorhip. The day that changes, I stop going.
So BIG UP to the Glade Crew, we really looking fwd to Glade 2006
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CosmoNaughty
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Posted : Apr 2, 2006 21:27
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I'm going to Shamania and sunrise celebration. |
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brij
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Posted : Apr 3, 2006 11:11
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On 2006-04-02 11:53, zatitude wrote:
The fantastic thing about this (and most psy trance festivals) is that they happen with commercial sponsorhip. The day that changes, I stop going.
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What is wrong with commercial sponsorship?
Did the programme have any adverts in it last year?
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John
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Posted : Apr 3, 2006 11:23
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On 2006-04-03 11:11, brij wrote:
What is wrong with commercial sponsorship?
Did the programme have any adverts in it last year?
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The ads in the programme (which I wrote a bit of!) were of the same sort you'd get in a normal edition of UPFRONT - who did the programme - i.e ads for albums/clubs nights etc as opposed to Orange/Nike/McDonalds.
Personally I think its nice to walk around a festival and not have loads of big ads for mobile phone companies or have the Virgin gabba breakcore tent... |
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brij
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Posted : Apr 3, 2006 11:54
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On 2006-04-03 11:23, John wrote:
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On 2006-04-03 11:11, brij wrote:
What is wrong with commercial sponsorship?
Did the programme have any adverts in it last year?
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The ads in the programme (which I wrote a bit of!) were of the same sort you'd get in a normal edition of UPFRONT - who did the programme - i.e ads for albums/clubs nights etc as opposed to Orange/Nike/McDonalds.
Personally I think its nice to walk around a festival and not have loads of big ads for mobile phone companies or have the Virgin gabba breakcore tent...
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But what exactly is the difference between advertising by e.g Antiworld or Chaos Unlimited and Orange.
If there had been a full-page Orange ad in the middle of the programme then I'm guessing the programme would have been included in the large ticket price.
That I would be happy about
I agree I'd rather not see advertising everywhere around a festival, but to me that is more a matter of how tastefully the advertising is done. I seem to remember a glastonbury a few years ago where Virgin did a tea-tent. There was free tea and Carl Cox, and the only Virgin sign was above the entrance. To me that was very tasteful advertising.
An example of tasteless advertising was at Antiworld @ Alexandra Palace. There was an advert for motorola right up above the dancefloor.
I can appreciate not wanting to take money from unethical companies, but is Orange unethical. Or are you just opposed to it being big?
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Colin OOOD
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Posted : Apr 4, 2006 18:21
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On 2006-04-03 11:54, brij wrote:
But what exactly is the difference between advertising by e.g Antiworld or Chaos Unlimited and Orange.
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IMO:
Advertising by organisations connected to the scene tends to be promoting something you're probably going to want to know about anyway. To my mind that's useful information, and a sign of the scene re-investing in itself, which is healthy. Advertising by organisations not directly connected to the scene (eg. the aforementioned Orange or Nokia) is generally aimed at making you want to buy things you don't want or need, and in manipulating our perception of those organisations and their products to make them seem 'cool' and relevant to what we are all involved in, thereby increasing their market share. I don't know about you but personally, I object to this on basic principle.
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MonasticSquid
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Posted : Apr 4, 2006 19:11
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'in scene' advertising..... no problemo.... (the fact that it is 'targeted marketing',by people /organisatioins directly connected to the scene makes it more palatable) ~
As for specifics: e.g "Orange or Nokia"... "aimed at making you want to buy things you don't want or need" ....and..... "make them seem 'cool' and relevant to what we are all involved in".....
I agree to some extent but its a bit more tricky..... after all ..... are we not all 'texting' and 'calling' each other about 'the party!', 'where is the party?', 'are you there yet, how is it?' etc etc (making mobile phones relevant to us all, wanted and (stimulates a new debate) needed by all?!...
Maybe its the size of the Advertiser that people are uncomfortable with (but advertising has one purpose... to turn you on to a product, stimulate it's business and market share etc... ) ~ doesn't matter if you are Nokia, Orange, Rizla, Gurana soft drinks, Herbal products, Party Promoters, Record Labels...... its all about getting you to spend your money with them...
... but if having advertisers helps to reduce the (over inflated) ticket prices.... bring it on!!
(p.s. Re. "tasteful advertising") ~ I liked in Oz... instead of having a movie on TV... and every 20 min is an Ad. break (very annoying) ~ a 30 second clip at the begining of the movie states " This Movie is brought to you Commercial Free by "enter product name"... and then u see the whole movie Ad free.... and u end up thinking at the end....'nice one "enter company name".. I appreciated that'.. 
a very forward thinking approach to Advertising... rather than just cramming it down our necks
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Colin OOOD
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Posted : Apr 5, 2006 16:34
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On 2006-04-04 19:11, MonasticSquid wrote:
As for specifics: e.g "Orange or Nokia"... "aimed at making you want to buy things you don't want or need" ....and..... "make them seem 'cool' and relevant to what we are all involved in".....
I agree to some extent but its a bit more tricky..... after all ..... are we not all 'texting' and 'calling' each other about 'the party!', 'where is the party?', 'are you there yet, how is it?' etc etc (making mobile phones relevant to us all, wanted and (stimulates a new debate) needed by all?!...
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Since I started using mobile phones 6 years ago, I have only had one phone, a Nokia 3210. You can use it as a phone. You can send text messages with it. Why do I - why does anyone - constantly need a new phone?
The scene will wither and die without 'in-scene' advertising. Orange don't need us specifically. To my mind that is a very important distinction.
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Dazzler
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Posted : Apr 5, 2006 17:56
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On 2006-04-04 18:21, Colin OOOD wrote:
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On 2006-04-03 11:54, brij wrote:
But what exactly is the difference between advertising by e.g Antiworld or Chaos Unlimited and Orange.
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IMO:
Advertising by organisations connected to the scene tends to be promoting something you're probably going to want to know about anyway. To my mind that's useful information, and a sign of the scene re-investing in itself, which is healthy. Advertising by organisations not directly connected to the scene (eg. the aforementioned Orange or Nokia) is generally aimed at making you want to buy things you don't want or need, and in manipulating our perception of those organisations and their products to make them seem 'cool' and relevant to what we are all involved in, thereby increasing their market share. I don't know about you but personally, I object to this on basic principle.
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agree, but then again mobile phones aren't any less relevant to festival goers than, say, Chaos Unlimited, considering that every single person at the festival will be carrying one.
anyway, loathe it or accept it, commercialisation is an inevitable product of success - look at institutions within the scene such as RTTS, who had huge success but then 'sold out'. In Israel, the scene is incredibly commercial in terms of corporate sponsorship etc, yet they have blinding parties every week. Unfortunately, the most commercial scene = the healthiest scene. Don't think it's necessarily a bad thing, as long as the parties remain enjoyable and he core values of the scene remain intact.
Anyway, I'd happily see a couple of flash ads in the programme if it means I can take a crap in a half-decent toilet.
PS - Colin, what was that track you guys did about ten years ago with the chopped up Arabic vocals? I have always wanted it but never been able to find it... |
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Colin OOOD
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Posted : Apr 5, 2006 18:33
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On 2006-04-05 17:56, Dazzler wrote:
... mobile phones aren't any less relevant to festival goers than, say, Chaos Unlimited, considering that every single person at the festival will be carrying one.
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Just because we all carry mobile phones doesn't mean to say I want to see Nokia and Orange banners at the festival or on the programme. I do not want to be treated as a 'market' for 'exploitation' by these people. They have no real legitimate interest in what we do except to make money out of us, as opposed to in-scene advertising, where in general the advertisers are one and the same people they advertise to... ok, so maybe the CEO of Orange has the Voice of Cod CD on repeat in his Bentley but if that's the case then why doesn't he post on any of the psy forums, or see him at any parties?
They don't care, and therefore in my book they're not welcome.
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PS - Colin, what was that track you guys did about ten years ago with the chopped up Arabic vocals? I have always wanted it but never been able to find it...
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I think you must mean Kundalini, first released on Phantasm. We also did a remix of it, "Kundalini Rising" which was on the Psy Summer compilation on Transient a couple of years ago.
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Dazzler
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Posted : Apr 5, 2006 18:55
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Just because we all carry mobile phones doesn't mean to say I want to see Nokia and Orange banners at the festival or on the programme. I do not want to be treated as a 'market' for 'exploitation' by these people. They have no real legitimate interest in what we do except to make money out of us, as opposed to in-scene advertising, where in general the advertisers are one and the same people they advertise to... ok, so maybe the CEO of Orange has the Voice of Cod CD on repeat in his Bentley but if that's the case then why doesn't he post on any of the psy forums, or see him at any parties?
They don't care, and therefore in my book they're not welcome.
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True - and I think that most people at the festival are savvy enough to realise that these companies don't care, and thus won't be influenced by their blatant, lame attempts to reach a 'youth/cool' market. So, seeing as we recognise the ads as transparent, surely we are not being exploited? They are simply wasting money on ads which people at the festival will not be receptive to - money that the promoters can spend on better line-ups, better sound systems and better facilities for the punters. Maybe (god forbid) the promoters might even make a profit...
Surely that's not a bad thing? |
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g.i.jones
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i must say i am with you on this one colin.
i was the one who started this topic but i am only to happy to pay the £100 and keep the likes of orange out of the festival.
yes we all do use mobiles and the like but i dont see the reason why we need to swap our phones to the latest one every 6/12 months just because a marketing guy at orange says that if we do we will be cool.
like you say colin the people at chaos and the others who have adverts in the program are one as us so to speak and have a interest in the whole thing.
i would bet my life that you will not see the md of orange stomping up dust on the dance floor off his face with the rest of us!
if anyone wants to see what big time corporate sponsorship can do to a festival they should goto a virgin festival...yuk!
even the stall holders there can only sell virgin cola ect
somthing like that could only spoil the vibe of the glade.
as for people being savvy enough to realise that these companies dont care, well i think most of us are,
but when i am at a party i like to see uv back drops that make the mind wander ,not a uv orange poster saying buy this new phone it will take you to another planet,its groovy man....or somthing lame like that ,because at the end of the day these people dont care about the music and the scene all they care about is the money they can make from us.
i know the people at chaos and looking to make some money but i also belive that they care about the music and the scene and by them selling the music it can only malke the scene stronger and better.
right thats where i stop going on and on
i have got a bad case of redeye and this is getting harder and harder to type..lol....
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Colin OOOD
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Posted : Apr 5, 2006 21:04
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On 2006-04-05 18:55, Dazzler wrote:
... I think that most people at the festival are savvy enough to realise that these companies don't care, and thus won't be influenced by their blatant, lame attempts to reach a 'youth/cool' market. So, seeing as we recognise the ads as transparent, surely we are not being exploited? They are simply wasting money on ads which people at the festival will not be receptive to - money that the promoters can spend on better line-ups, better sound systems and better facilities for the punters. Maybe (god forbid) the promoters might even make a profit...
Surely that's not a bad thing?
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Just cos you think you're clever enough to ignore them, means nothing to their effectiveness. I reckon 90% of the population probably considers themselves immune to advertising but that doesn't stop advertisers from spending billions pushing their products and services. Advertising works, whether or not we're wise to what it's doing. Advertisers aren't as stupid as you paint them to be.
The only way for advertising not to work is to stop it at the source; that's one of the main reasons why I don't watch TV.
And I'm sure that the budget for Glade includes an appropriate and reasonable amount for the living expenses etc. of those who are organising it as a full-time job.
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