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traveller
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Posted : Mar 8, 2005 18:05
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You just said that gay porn isn't okay. Gay people do exist you know.. deal with it 
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krelm
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Posted : Mar 8, 2005 18:07
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On 2005-03-08 17:27, Ov3rdos3 wrote:
what i want to know is this: Where is the line between what is acceptable political discussions and what is unacceptable political discussions? |
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Why don't you spend a little bit of time to look through the posts on this site? You can easily see what has been OK with the moderators and what has been out of line because it's too much politics. Anybody with half a brain can get a pretty good idea from looking around for 30 minutes. If you want to be a contributing member of this forum, take the time to figure out the standards of what goes here.
I personally have no problems with political discussions being off-limits here. There are other online forums where I can discuss it in depth if I want. The owners of this site (who have poured their personal time and money into it) want it focused on trance. I'm willing to respect that and haven't had any problems - I can just go elsewhere when I want to talk about things they don't allow here.
And I do hope this doesn't come off bad, but....
Considering that the most-discussed subjects in politics these days center around the middle east situation, and considering the demographic of this forum (and based on the few political statements I have seen let slide over the years), I think that many political conversations here could turn very ugly. Not constructive, not informative, not "friendly discussions", but ugly fights.
If you don't like it, there is always Psynews, where nothing is off-limits (including 5-page threads with detailed instructions on how to set up file sharing software).
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Surrender
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Posted : Mar 8, 2005 18:07
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On 2005-03-08 17:57, Ov3rdos3 wrote:
am i right in saying that basically, if you guys can see that a certain discussion (wether it be political, religious, even Top 10 trance tunes,whatever really) gets out of hand to the point where it is obviously going to result in extreme conflict, then the topic is locked?
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well, you will never see a moderator or a team member start anything political. since we cannot control what the users do, we are forced to "deal with" or "react" when they do post something like that.
a specific situation that comes to mind is a post that was made in the israel section by someone from italy about the political situation after a bomb went off in a tel-aviv club... one of the answers provoked another user who responded to this with a type of answer that i knew was going to cause more problems if it was left unattended. to be honest, i didnt even see that post before that specific reply was brought to my attention. so i decided to erase the last post and lock the topic... we really dont wanna discourage anyone here from posting, and certainly fear is not a method of choice. just some things are "pandora's box" as its said...
another issue is that Shahar is big on not having defined rules  i like this - many times he has stressed that guidelines are enough - no need for strict RULES... this idea is much more attractive to me... a bit of flex room to manuver in.
"On the other hand, you have different fingers."
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traveller
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Posted : Mar 8, 2005 18:11
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On 2005-03-08 18:00, Ov3rdos3 wrote:
obviously you have to set limits.
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You said it yourself. I would say it's fair enough that the owner of the site/forum/whatever decides what those limits are..
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Ov3rdos3
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Posted : Mar 8, 2005 18:12
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On 2005-03-08 17:56, ShivaS wrote:
well somewhere I agree that other sites with minimum moderation do the thing. But what to do if we are the biggest? (not egoistic point of view but reality). You see 47xx users as Active, but active say that we have that amount of users being active within a month. We have different counters and real amount of users is much more than 10 thousands registered. Also Artists and Labels attracts alot to come and register here. What would u do then? how not to moderate? Do you know we had once Offtopic section and what it became in the end? We are almost 8 years in WWW. This is endless discussion and I know lot of people outside dislike isratrance for being killa forum, if you know what I mean. And we face it without being touched too much just trying improve ourselves and bring more light to the trance culture which is the main and only guide and engine in this world. So each coin has 2 sides and we may discuss it forever..
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i do agree with you here. i can imagine that you have many, many members here on IsraTrance, more so than other psytrance forums. and therefor, moderation becomes exponentially more difficult. (and we have already agreed that to an extent "slight" moderation is definitely neccessary. Also, as you say, artists and lables do promote their work here on IsraTrance and to a degree, you have to keep the order.
however, if this were up to me (which it isnt, but hear me out) i would focus more attention on people who make false and unfounded accusations about other people (or anything really) on public forums and posts that in no way benefit the topics at all. basically people acting like children. it should be ok to make a joke here and there so long as it isnt offensive to anyone.
just a humble suggestion. i think in the long run, it would benefit everyone here.
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slyman604
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Posted : Mar 8, 2005 18:14
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"are you being selectively ignorant by choosing NOT to deal with something that is very real indeed?"
no, politic is bad.
its best to just put head in sand and talk about what other planet is best to have psytrance party on while having a pint, problem solved.
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ShivaS
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Posted : Mar 8, 2005 18:17
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Well i still would say take your time, turn around and check topics. We do have jokes, some small offtopics and other things, it's not so nazi and strict as posted in psynews or some people say.
And we always say we are open to questions and suggestions in a constructive way.
Sometimes joke after joke brings topic to offtopic and loses the main meaning of the discussion, that's why we try avoid it. But there is no problem if you answer on-topic and add a joke or some more offtopic thoughts, your message won't be edited and u won't be warned;)
pity we don't have some "take a tour" before registration;)
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Ov3rdos3
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Posted : Mar 8, 2005 18:18
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On 2005-03-08 18:07, Surrender wrote:
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On 2005-03-08 17:57, Ov3rdos3 wrote:
am i right in saying that basically, if you guys can see that a certain discussion (wether it be political, religious, even Top 10 trance tunes,whatever really) gets out of hand to the point where it is obviously going to result in extreme conflict, then the topic is locked?
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well, you will never see a moderator or a team member start anything political. since we cannot control what the users do, we are forced to "deal with" or "react" when they do post something like that.
a specific situation that comes to mind is a post that was made in the israel section by someone from italy about the political situation after a bomb went off in a tel-aviv club... one of the answers provoked another user who responded to this with a type of answer that i knew was going to cause more problems if it was left unattended. to be honest, i didnt even see that post before that specific reply was brought to my attention. so i decided to erase the last post and lock the topic... we really dont wanna discourage anyone here from posting, and certainly fear is not a method of choice. just some things are "pandora's box" as its said...
another issue is that Shahar is big on not having defined rules i like this - many times he has stressed that guidelines are enough - no need for strict RULES... this idea is much more attractive to me... a bit of flex room to manuver in.
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thats heavy though dude, like if people start talking about really sensitive issues like bombings in israel and stuff. and i can completely see where you are coming from.
i do agree with you, and can respect your point of view. and i am sure i can fall into the guidelines of this forum without causing too much contraversy. sorry for having to bring this all up like this. but nothing sorts out an issue like a long-winded debate right? you have all actually been most helpful.
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Ov3rdos3
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Posted : Mar 8, 2005 18:21
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pity we don't have some "take a tour" before registration;)
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hehe, im no stranger to psytrance forums. just ones with rules. lol! sorry. ill stop now. |
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ShivaS
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Posted : Mar 8, 2005 18:21
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don't stop, let's make everything as clear as possible.
anyhow, can we lock now? ;) ;) ;)
(see? it's a joke) ;)
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Ov3rdos3
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Posted : Mar 8, 2005 18:24
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On 2005-03-08 18:05, traveller wrote:
You just said that gay porn isn't okay. Gay people do exist you know.. deal with it
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please dont put words in my mouth....
i never said it was bad. to be "irritatingly" posting gay p0rn on a psytrance site, especially after being warned that it was not on. (and basically putting fake links up to it, so people who didnt want to see it, did). that is grounds for being banned. ok?
it would have been just as bad if it was regular porn or whatever. i was just being specific. you seem to be a bit touchy on this subject....why is that? |
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traveller
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Posted : Mar 8, 2005 18:40
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i don't know, i found something i can use to hang you from your balls with? sorry it was a bit out of content but i just used it to sort of prove my point which i already pretty much forgot
why are you so interested in my sexual orientation? "The dinosaurs became extinct because they didn't have a space program."
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mono mono
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Posted : Mar 8, 2005 19:42
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Ov3rdos3-
You'll have to resign to the fact that for the most part you'll have to wade thru topics like "What trance do you listen when you're microwaving popcorn?". If you look hard enough, informative social discussions do popcorn up here. I'd imagine if there was a political/religious section to this forum, it'll either be a wasteland, or would chew disc space faster than a tasmanian devil. You could try the yahoo groups, there is a 604 list, not to mention a list for every other topic. I suppose a ModBot could be created, whose puropse is to scan for keywords like "intifada", "al qaeda", "bush", "twat", "porn", "p0rn", "poornn" and ZAP!!! <message deleted>.
I find that much personal mudslinging happens here, discussions get overly personal, and hence the beligerent responses begin. There are a number of posters who haven't learned diplomacy yet.
good luck!
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TrancEisT
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Posted : Mar 8, 2005 20:27
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Been here done that 4 years ago right, Alex? 
it's so nice to see how history repeats itself , only with different people everytime.
Ov3rdos3 - rules aren't supposed to be broken or changed - they are meant to be bent.
think about that.
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ShivaS
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Posted : Mar 8, 2005 20:31
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Yes, TracEist, i even forgot your old nick, heh ;)
But you see things changes as we promised long time ago and almost always for good, You and traveller are very good examples of our common and alltogether efforts to ride the wind of changes ;)
and there are many more around which really warms our hearts and even uf there is only 1 mind we changed towards positive sunshine, then establishing forum worthed it ;)
p.s. u really brought a smile to my tired face;)
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