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chapodelic
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Posted : May 11, 2007 23:22
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On 2007-01-29 20:50, Pavel wrote:
I fail to hear any melody in any Kindzadza track ever released. I can't hear anything remote to musical structure as well. Talented sound man indeed, but musician? I beg to differ
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please define melody... |
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Pavel
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Posted : May 12, 2007 01:25
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On 2007-05-11 23:22, chapodelic wrote:
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On 2007-01-29 20:50, Pavel wrote:
I fail to hear any melody in any Kindzadza track ever released. I can't hear anything remote to musical structure as well. Talented sound man indeed, but musician? I beg to differ
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please define melody...
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Do i have to?
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Yidam
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Posted : May 12, 2007 01:52
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Kindzadza may not be 'melodic' but some of the leads fall under the category of a melody. Theyre sequential and note based. And before the tons of effects that are added to each motif, the midi sequence probably sounds quite like the melodies that youre looking for Pavel.
In that way noone who creates electronic music is that 'musician' .. the technology caught up and went beyond wind/string/percussion. Underground psytrance is on that far end... pushing the limits of what electronics can do to sound. Even if it sounds like utter crap sometimes.
But with breakthroughs in what the interface can look like, there is a definite need to rethink what a musical instrument really is and what you might call the person that is playing that device.
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chapodelic
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Posted : May 12, 2007 04:23
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On 2007-01-29 20:50, Pavel wrote:
I fail to hear any melody in any Kindzadza track ever released. I can't hear anything remote to musical structure as well. Talented sound man indeed, but musician? I beg to differ
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please define melody...
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Do i have to?
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nevermind... |
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Ulterior
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Posted : May 12, 2007 04:56
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On 2006-08-03 03:25, full_on wrote:
Is there any other country in which you can earn as much money with psytrance in the world?
This is what I call fake $cene...
Respect!
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Do u know why i think it have come to this...It used to be techno that made party org rich, but now speed techno is dead, everything is minimal, and minimal on a big rave... hmm most of the ppl do not accept it, so the trance has 10 times bigger public now. Its becoming mainstream 
Music is the only language that come very close to silence (OSHO)
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razzz_
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Posted : May 12, 2007 14:33
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On 2007-05-12 01:52, Yidam wrote:
Underground psytrance is on that far end... pushing the limits of what electronics can do to sound.
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this is like so not true
for pioneers in sound you should check out other electronic genres.... industrial or breakcore for instance....
in the psy-scene some artists find a new kind of sound and then a whole legion of other artists milk that sound until the cow almost dies....
about fake scenes....here in belgium it's starting too,although the cops did a lot to stop commercialism of this kind of music...
last month we had a big electronics festival (dissonant) which was organised by people that didn't have anything to do with our scene,so they only did it for the money.
the weird thing about it (for me that is) is that no one sees a problem with this, when in 2001 everyone was ripping on senseblender because they thought the party-promoters were from outside our scene and were only in it for the money (when they actually were very into our scene)
but hey...times change, there are still lots of good parties with a good spirit out there... you should just go to these parties and shouldn't be blinded by big parties with big names and no psyculture Ain-Soph (Trancebum Productions / Freakdance Records)
http://soundcloud.com/ain-soph
http://www.freakdancerecords.net/
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headyatail2000
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Posted : May 12, 2007 22:58
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On 2006-08-02 11:59, ganjagil wrote:
I Everytime i went to the dancefloor i was amazed by trance people dancing to this fullon music were the beat is trance and the melodies are stupid. It looked all so fake, which made me think that maybe all that once was is now lost...
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i had the same thing at Boom. Everymorning until 1 pm my ears were assaulted with the most simplistic, childish, bubblegum trance with nursery rhyme melodies and stupid predictable breaks, (always lead into by an "up siren" sound)...to my ears it really sounded like nothing more than eurotrance but without the vocals. How fucking depressing...
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hahaha the up siren!!! oh boyyy!!
<~< "the best things in life aren't things" - art buchwald >~> |
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Yidam
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Posted : May 13, 2007 01:56
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On 2007-05-12 14:33, razzz_ wrote:
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On 2007-05-12 01:52, Yidam wrote:
Underground psytrance is on that far end... pushing the limits of what electronics can do to sound.
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this is like so not true
for pioneers in sound you should check out other electronic genres.... industrial or breakcore for instance....
in the psy-scene some artists find a new kind of sound and then a whole legion of other artists milk that sound until the cow almost dies....
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Would definitely love to check out a full fledged breakcore/speedbass scene... not much of it around here.  As for that genre, theres a group of artists in Russia who were pushing bpms in mental psy and somehow managed meet up with the speedcore/breakcore scene. They've released 3 VAs on the web under "Twisted minds from hell" Not the most pleasant sounding music but a it's super psychedelic and pushing some kind of music boundary.
Personally I like that kind of atmosphere at a lower tempo. The "core" genres seem to want to push speeds higher for some reason while many of the underground psy artists are happy to create the same space and motion at 140-150. It doesnt give you a headache if youre not on drugs and it gives you more time to explore the music and all its elements.
Yep... way too many producers trying to create similar sounds...but it somehow makes the good stuff shine even brighter. Encephalopaticys, Sensient, Procs, Para Halu ... there's tons of artists with unique music. |
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Andrew
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Posted : May 13, 2007 16:26
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Theres basically more people from the mainstream getting into trance. Got to keep soul in the music to educate em. |
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daark
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Posted : May 14, 2007 07:58
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On 2007-05-13 01:56, Yidam wrote:
They've released 3 VAs on the web under "Twisted minds from hell" Not the most pleasant sounding music but a it's super psychedelic and pushing some kind of music boundary.
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I thought they are from mexico=
Didn't like those VA's i would give em 2/5.
the ahriman-special trip in the second vol is nice..but generaly i didnt like it.
Speedcore and psytrance don't belong together i think.Much better on they own.
There is enough milk in those tits i think just people should stop taking milk from someones last year tank.u got to know how to sqeeezze ,and from the right cow, to keep things fresh!
I hate music with no soul. |
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