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superman
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Posted : Aug 3, 2006 03:50
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On 2006-08-02 12:48, Nathan wrote:
ganjagil, Just convert no progressive and tech like I did. I always loved these styles but not as much as now. For me these styles are the true meaning of Psy Trance. These styles are safe form money greed, and 'Artists' who make music just to travel the world and not to make the listeners travel in theirs imagination.
Stupid melodies and simple conventional music are not Trance; but there are still few good full on artists there.
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some of us converted to tech some of us to minimal-micro house (like me)
bottom line....trance the way it was.....its gone already long time !
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goa-ganges
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Posted : Aug 3, 2006 05:41
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Well guys, if you are tired of bad music, do this: start your own party. In my case, I will start a small party along some friends, and we will play only tech-trance. To me, TT is the scene of the future. So, stop complaining about parties and festivals - there´s no more psychedelism on them anymore and start a new scene.
Division now!! for the sake of quality.
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shamanizer
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Posted : Aug 3, 2006 09:52
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So give me names of the lost full on souls so i can stop listening to them... or do not... i might be little embarrassed... i just listen to what sounds good to me. Anyways, this is exactly the same phenomenom as with psychedelic rock in 60's. First it started with idea of non-commercialism and psychedelic ideology and then, after the crowd started to grow and some masterminds saw an opportunity to make money from that the scene turned to money making factory, even though it meanwhile remained as kind of resistance movement. I can see many similarities in the developement of original psychedelic rock culture and goatrance culture. Goatrance was a resistance movement towards commercial scene and now it is being sucked into the same turbulence. Its inevitable, whether we like it or not, and its much more complex phenomenom than most of us think. Its a sword with two blades. On the other hand it is good that more and more masses see and hear the psychedelic message, but in the very same time the chances of making money from it increase and surely there will be someone exploiting that opportunity. Power of commercialism comes from the fact that it can suck even resistance movements under its dollar shaped wings. |
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Dainty Doll
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Posted : Aug 3, 2006 14:47
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exotic
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Posted : Aug 3, 2006 16:24
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yeahh techs the way to go 
loved the triac album and im hunting fer more tech now .. any suggestions .. nathan ??
and i wouldnt call it fake .. there are people who are getting into this genre everyday and find meaning in the same music you call commercial .. but but i may know what you feel .. so its all good !! 
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Nathan
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Posted : Aug 3, 2006 16:38
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KakoOlalaJwal
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Posted : Aug 3, 2006 16:52
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On 2006-08-02 11:59, ganjagil wrote:
I really had a great time mostly in the chillout area because the Trance area was so commercial! |
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I didn't go there, but if I did, it would have been for the Chill Out too..
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full_on
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Posted : Aug 3, 2006 21:59
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On 2006-08-03 03:25, full_on wrote:
Lyrics here and there? 
Come on, throwing Skazi and others like him in the same sack of all full on producers is a bit too much.
There are a lot of good full on producers, just check the Twisted or Neurobiotic releases, the problem is that their music is not played at parties, so avoid these parties...
IMO most of the problem is with the parties organizers, who book mostly big stars to pack their parties full of people, which means $$$$$$...
For example, Beckers and D-Nox are booked all the time, specially now after Switch... But many other progressive acts are also excellent, but not booked, maybe because they did not release a "party toy track"...
So that's the problem, party organizers sell big hits to a crowd who wants to hear big hits, I wonder why the name is still psychedelic trance instead of "big hits trance"...
To make things worse, labels like Hom-Mega Records, Com.Pact Records and Utopia Records (to name a few) found out that they can make a party in Rio with 15.000 people, the next day one in São Paulo with 30.000 people, the next day one in Brasília with 12.000 people and the next day one in Porto Alegre with 10.000 people, so in one week they get rich, so we in Brazil are drowned in this commercial wave...
But don't worry, since proggy is now the new fashion wave, they always have one or two progressive acts (like beckers or D-Nox) to close their parties...
Is there any other country in which you can earn as much money with psytrance in the world?
This is what I call fake $cene...
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Look at who's in the top of the line up:
http://www.tribeonboard.com/ 
AFAIK it's difficult to get more fashion/pop than a Transatlantic... They just reinvented the concept of Limousine...
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ganjagil
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Posted : Aug 4, 2006 09:43
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Switching to prog well i already switched to ambient as porg lacks good melodies and is somehow all the same also...though u find good tracks here and there. Fullon also you do find good tracks here and there but soooo hard. The problem is that there is too much of the same sounds in the genre. I don't mind the same beat as i love dancing to huge fat fast beats but we need serious expressions of energy no these stupid repetitive sounds and effects! We are not stupid so we need intelligent psychedelic music to dance to. We don't feel that there is any trance in the music that is being played it's ugly.
AH yes i forgot to congratulate Atmos he played a really good set we were off our heads loving it! What a moment! and Osric Tentacles what a music now this is what i call psychedelic man once you close your eyes you're running in a special place man! wowoowowow
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Dushan
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Posted : Aug 4, 2006 14:23
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On 2006-08-03 03:25, full_on wrote:
Lyrics here and there?
Come on, throwing Skazi and others like him in the same sack of all full on producers is a bit too much.
There are a lot of good full on producers, just check the Twisted or Neurobiotic releases, the problem is that their music is not played at parties, so avoid these parties...
IMO most of the problem is with the parties organizers, who book mostly big stars to pack their parties full of people, which means $$$$$$...
For example, Beckers and D-Nox are booked all the time, specially now after Switch... But many other progressive acts are also excellent, but not booked, maybe because they did not release a "party toy track"...
So that's the problem, party organizers sell big hits to a crowd who wants to hear big hits, I wonder why the name is still psychedelic trance instead of "big hits trance"...
To make things worse, labels like Hom-Mega Records, Com.Pact Records and Utopia Records (to name a few) found out that they can make a party in Rio with 15.000 people, the next day one in São Paulo with 30.000 people, the next day one in Brasília with 12.000 people and the next day one in Porto Alegre with 10.000 people, so in one week they get rich, so we in Brazil are drowned in this commercial wave...
But don't worry, since proggy is now the new fashion wave, they always have one or two progressive acts (like beckers or D-Nox) to close their parties...
Is there any other country in which you can earn as much money with psytrance in the world?
This is what I call fake $cene...
Respect!
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Maybe soloution is to book Sasha or Digweed, or Matthew Dekay ... Some serious progressive stars, than "star" will not be just a frase, than mather of fact ... Just kidding, probably they will not fixed into the party budget, it is not same to pay someone 1000-2000 euros, and 10000-20000-30000 ... But to get serious in the end D Nox & Beckers are exelent dj's and producers, and for sure more talented than many that are presented as "true and big psychedelic trance music stars" even that they are not belonging to the same genre ...
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full_on
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Posted : Aug 4, 2006 20:02
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Sure, I agree that D-Nox and Beckers are really professional and produce some exceptional stuff, the problem is that they associated their image here in Brazil with HUGE commercial parties, packed with all sort of full on crap. But, hey, I can't blame them, they have to eat and feed their family, so this way they earn a lot of money.
So what is the problem??
The problem is that the psychedelic level of these parties are very low. 30.000 persons, we get around 1 piece of decoration for each 1000 persons... And not to mention all ather problems inerent to commercial parties.
So they associate their image to the commercial side of the scene, everyone know them, hundreds of thousand people here saw their Live and DJ sets, they attract people to the parties, D-Nox and Beckers are now a brand, just like Skazi, Astrix or Infected Mushroom.
They produce good music, they are really good, but if you ask me I'd say I would not book them because they will attract exactly the wrong kind of people to the party, and that's why I don't want to see them Live, because I don't want to stand an excessively commercial party with no psychedelic atmosphere just to listen to good music.
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Dennis the menace
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Posted : Aug 5, 2006 00:48
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i was goin to write something creative here but i forgot what to write so fuck it....
good nite
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Kaz
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Posted : Aug 5, 2006 01:04
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let me sum up whatever anyone has to say here:
I like = good/original/the real thing/etc. + bullshit explanation why.
I not like = bad/boring/commercial/skazi/etc. + bullshit reasons why.
"I got mine, don't worry about his" - James Brown
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parapsyched
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Posted : Aug 5, 2006 07:18
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fact is: every genre that grows and becomes bigger and more commercial suffers from decrease in quality... but its always been like that and always will. trance is now bigger than ever and growing every day... is that bad or is that good... no one knows. how many isratrancers wouldn`t even know trance existed if it didn`t grow and become more and more commercial ? this has its good sides and bad sides. like every thing in life. two sides to a coin. black & white. ying & yang.
as i wrote on another thread about the return to the source vibe that used to be thereand now its not . i pesrsonally hope some new genre will emerge and than only the true trance lovers and artist will stay .
time will tell.
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if u dig deep enough u just might reach the sky...
"dream is destiny"
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piXan
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Posted : Aug 5, 2006 07:59
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