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goa-ganges
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Posted : May 21, 2004 17:09
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Boys, this discussion is so technical that only the ones who are in the booth with the said artist or DJ care about it: other DJs and artists. My opinion is that what really matters is what comes from the speakers: music the way the guy who paid his ticket expects to listen to. The way he heard in his CD. I've seen some artists trying to sound live, spanking side drums - besides the pre-recorded electronic one -, or creating in-loco new melodies strings, or giving another texture to the music... and completely ruining his own track. Very disappointing. I really DO NOT expect or want to see or hear a different version of that track I like so much... Please do not ruin your 2 hour appeareance in the next party you play, distorting your so-hard to create track by "recreating" it...think first if it will please the ones who really matters: the very ones who buys your CD or go the party you are playing.
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Janux
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Posted : May 23, 2004 17:51
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On 2004-05-21 17:09, goa-ganges wrote:
My opinion is that what really matters is what comes from the speakers: music the way the guy who paid his ticket expects to listen to. The way he heard in his CD.
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Sometimes people go to parties to hear sound that is not the same as the CD...
Which is why they go for a 'live' set.
Why pay money to buy the CD, and then play more money to listen to the same stuff again.
I agree that there are a lot of elements that go into making a truly live set... and dont expect every artist to be able to do it, but then if people cant do it, dont call the set a live set.
Nobody expects to make the track from scrath, that wouldnt work towards the trance, but there are many different ways of adding live elements to a set...
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DreamVisionMedia
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Posted : May 23, 2004 18:10
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Hi there every one.. This is a subject that is a very interesting one. I play also sets. both Dj sets and Live sets. I also se alot of people doing it to. and in very many different ways. One thing that pisses me off the most is a RECORDED live set, a 1 hour long file. Man if youre gonna play that file LIVE then just send it to the promotor and let him PUSH the PLAY BUTTON. then he will save alot of money for not sending youre INCR¤EDIBLE IMPORTANT ass to the party to just press a PLAY BUTTON! I mean what the fuck is that? Just pressing play? FIrst of all. WHen I go see Pink FLoyd LIVE, do you think I want to hear the Original ALBUM TRACK? I have it at home I dont wanna hear that version at all any how. The thing about LIVE is that fact that you get to hear some thing that you never have heard before. SInce its LIVE then its never exactly the same as the recorded album tracks. SO cmon all you trance ARTISTS / BAND, Lets show that WE can be creative on stage, Bring in the MIC, run it throught the ULTRA-MEGA-SUPER-MESS-IT-UPP-MIZER Efx box, or are Didgeridoo connected to a wha wha pedal or JUST ANYTHING.. Be creative.. do SOMETHING..
Dont charge 1500 Euros for lazy work cos your MAGIC-PRESS-PLAY-Finger is not worth that money.
How would it look if Rolling stones would Press play on stage?
Ok we cant be 100 people on stage playing each channel strip in total sync.. thats impossible. BUT we can do SOMETHING! AND the last word is: you dont ahve to RUIN your set with instruments.. if you look at histroy of live performance you will see that if WORKS FINE! You just ahve to LEARN how to make it SOUND GOOD. dont do it TO LOUD, etc etc etc.. just learn what to do so it sounds good.! Maybe you shouldnt do the 16 th 32th arpeggios heheh cos its hard as hell to play live LOL but pads, and efx and shit with Good compressiong and EASY on the filter sweaps will do it!
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isots
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Posted : May 24, 2004 02:26
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If you are only one person trying to play live you're very limited in what you can actually do . I don't understand why more artists are coming together to play live sets? and why can't we have 100 people on stage? especially at the outdoor festivals. I'm exagerating when I say 100 but check out Star Sounds Orchestra.
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Janux
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Posted : May 24, 2004 20:45
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its a good idea... but I feel a better solution is to design software and hardware that makes it easier for fewer people to have more contole over the sound and the synch.
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Paranoic
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Posted : May 31, 2004 15:04
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Tomek i know on witch party are you talking about. i saw what these guys did on the party and been really disapointed :/
not good not good
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sWa
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Posted : Jun 1, 2004 04:44
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On 2004-05-23 18:10, Soul Surfer wrote:
One thing that pisses me off the most is a RECORDED live set, a 1 hour long file. Man if youre gonna play that file LIVE then just send it to the promotor and let him PUSH the PLAY BUTTON. then he will save alot of money for not sending youre INCR¤EDIBLE IMPORTANT ass to the party to just press a PLAY BUTTON! I mean what the fuck is that? Just pressing play?
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I cant agree more, well said.
Making full-on (specialy with a vb-1) is like playing FIFA in easy mode, you're always sure to win. |
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Janux
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Posted : Jun 1, 2004 19:05
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lets start thinking of solutions instead of just complaining...
lets face it... its not an easy thing to play a proper live set...
the thing is, it is possible, and many people do it, and there are many different ways to do it....
so its not like there arent solutions...
i think its also about making people on the dancefloor more aware of whats going on in the DJ booth... cuz if the dancefloor doesnt accept it, then the Dj's / artists will stop doing it.
I think people's expectations need to be higher, this way people will stop faking it.
party organizers should use mirrors to reflect whats going on in the booth onto the dancefloor.
it might destroy some people's illusions, but in the long run I think it would be a good thing.
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Surrender
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Posted : Jun 1, 2004 19:43
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its hard to see why people here do not take the artists' responses here more seriously...
all this talk about real/fake/live/dead is a bit ridiculous...
mirrors on the dj booth? where are you going with this....
has everyone forgotten the "show" element of the show.
the ones who are looking at the dj and checking his every move sometimes forget that the artist on stage is there for entertainment value and no, its not the same as he is pressing play and the promoter pressing play on the same set. his presence is the x-factor, his music, his show.
the reason for this discussion is a diffrence in expectations, do u come to party? or do come to examine.
bottom line, if you wanna enjoy the show relax, forget the mirrors, cameras and magnifying glasses...
let go of all of that at the door. ENJOY THE SHOW.
"On the other hand, you have different fingers."
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Janux
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Posted : Jun 1, 2004 20:17
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I agree... that mirrors behind can be a very lame thing... but I think faking live sets is lame too...
I also do not think that people should watch the DJ's that closely... but I dont think mirrors behind the DJ means that everyone is going to look through the mirrors... I just think that it will make the dj / artist think twice before playing a not-so-live set.
I've been to parties with mirrors in the booth and it didnt cause any disasters.
to the question 'do you come to party or do you come to examine'... I come to party (you know that surrender), but I want to keep partying with artists who are always trying to improve the methods... and play WITH the crowd, i think in the long run its better for the scene... something tells me that
more fake sets = less energy being put into the party, which = the thread about 'psytrance is dead' might come true
I just think there is huge potential and new things that can come from this music and dont like to see it being wasted away.
you say enjoy the show... so imagine how good the show can be when people start comming up with different ways of doing it.
I am really not trying to complain about artists, because even the artists who sometimes do not-so-live sets are amazing artists... I have much respect for any trance producer.. which is why I am concerned.
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Janux
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Posted : Jun 2, 2004 21:17
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On 2004-05-18 00:11, Yuli wrote:
You cant make a FULL LIVE - at least I cant, but I can try to make it as much Live as possible. Most of us put a CD in the CD player and pretend ourselves, with serious mimmicks and full on looks
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basically... I love this honesty....
and like Yuli (BLT) says, 'I can try to make as much live as possible' I think that is what everyone should try and do, its as simple as that... make it as live as possible and keep trying to make it more live.
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Paranoic
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Posted : Jun 3, 2004 09:47
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true words, guys |
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