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Tomek
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Posted : May 18, 2004 15:01
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hi tim,
if i remember correctly you can assign 'hot keys' to certain sections of the arrangement i.e. loop them
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KakoOlalaJwal
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Posted : May 18, 2004 15:15
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I find just crazy the "concept" even of just playing a pre-recorded thing...
I mean it's just so lame, these guys should really do something else...
Besides U have some deejays that play with EFX, and others machines like TB-909 (sorry i don't have the technical vocabulary) to create something "special"...
IE. Josh Wink recording some loops on a DAT while he's playing the record to introduce more breaks and so on in the track.. and sending extra vocoder samples, risings and things like this..
Got my point ? As deejays they "transform" even more a track than some live performers do..
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Basilisk
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Posted : May 18, 2004 19:52
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Performance and composition are two different things... just because you're good at the latter does not mean you should offer your services for a live show, imho. An artist should be developing techniques to make their music have a live element. I don't think anyone expects "total live" or anything, but if an artist is playing out as "live" I feel they should have some drums to throw in, or some loops you can mess with, or freestyle some melodies overtop existing tracks (saw Erez doing this and it was great), etc. There are plenty of possibilities and just like one would develop production technique an artist should also develop live technique before taking money for such a service. Otherwise, leave it to the DJs. Speaking of which, I also don't like artists who take DJ bookings for a party as well when they can't mix and are basically just playing a bunch of tracks from their friends and such. It doesn't matter what record label you're on or how many albums you've released - if you can't put on a performance, don't be on the stage! or, at least, don't be charging thousands of dollars for such a service. But of course, this will change nothing... perhaps poor live showings are poetic justice for lost income caused by MP3 trading - artists who might otherwise be content to stay in the studio feel the pressure to get out and make money on the road just to continue making more music. Who knows? Just my 2 cents.
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Janux
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Posted : May 18, 2004 20:41
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On 2004-05-18 10:19, Kitnam wrote:
i think we have less fake live sets behind the decks as we have drugged dancing people in front of it.
so where is the fake here? 
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Whats fake about drugged dancing people...?
there are drugs that make you more sensitive to the environment... so as a DJ why not take advantage of this sensitive environment and tweak the environment, and play with it. and have controle over it, and be able to change it when you feel like. I mean thats more fun for the DJ as well...
I know that there is no such thing as a FULL LIVE set... (which I am not sure I agree with) but even a regular DJ set is better than playing a mix.
and there are many ways of combining a
DJ-set style, with add-ons to make it more live... for example mixing with 3 or 4 CDJ inputs, using one of them just for short sounds, samples etc... and using the other 2-3 for regular mixing, then adding a keyboard with delay processors etc.. so that you can add sounds while you are not mixing tracks... and the list goes on.. of ways of adding layers and channels... specially when you are talking about 2 people playing together. There is no real definition of 'live'... but to me the level of
'live-ness' depends on how much control the DJ has over the sound at any given time.
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firedancergirl
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Posted : May 18, 2004 20:50
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first of all, not all Artists are DJ's.
are you saying that Simon's live set isn't enough for you? how about Logic Bomb and Hux Flux, both are known not to be able to mix... are they ruled out in your book?
why is everyone so dissatisfied with something always?
to Jehan:
can you produce a live show? do you even know what's invloved? do you know how to DJ well? cause they way you come off is very amateur in soul. |
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Janux
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Posted : May 18, 2004 21:20
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I never said that all artists do Fake work....
I know that many and most do lots of super work.
I never said anything about Simon, or Logic Bomb, or Hux Flux... so please dont put words in my mouth....
No I cannot produce a live show... but yes I am a DJ... and yes I do know what goes into it.
Infact my dad used to DJ with Goa Gill before
Goa Gill was even playing trance.... in Goa, and was there, as a 7 year old when those parties turned into trance parties, so please excuse my arrogance but I was probably at the first trance parties in the world.
And have thrown parties, including one where we gathered a lot of equipment for someone's live set, and watched him play most of it from a laptop.
and to answer more of your questions, I love Hux Flux & Logic Bomb and think they make great music... but that does not give them the right to say 'Live Set' but then play a mix. And I am not saying that they do that either... I am just using an example....
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firedancergirl
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Posted : May 18, 2004 21:36
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On 2004-05-18 21:20, Jehan wrote:
Infact my dad used to DJ with Goa Gill before Goa Gill was even playing trance (and while he was playing trance).... in Goa, and was there, when those parties turned into trance parties, so please excuse my arrogance but I was probably at the first trance parties in the world.
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What does that have to do with anything?
funny i have never heard of DJ Jehan?!? or do you have a diffrent stage name? what my direction was saying is that where is this coming from? did you attend an event in which you saw something faulty in? |
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Janux
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Posted : May 18, 2004 21:39
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read my post carefully...(maybe you read and replied to it before I edited it) I just said that I have thrown parties... and witnessed DJs ask me for certain equipment and then play a whole live set off a lap-top...
you asked if I was a DJ... I said yes.... just cuz you havnt heard of me doesnt mean I am not a dj... why are you so angry?
and if you still dont believe me, go to the 'party' section in the opening page of Isratrance (the orange page)
then go to the flyer section.
then find the Sound Species party dated January 9th 2004. and see for yourself... if you are looking for the dj name is Jehan. infact I started Sound Species with some friends
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Janux
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Posted : May 18, 2004 21:42
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Janux
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Posted : May 18, 2004 22:08
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On 2004-05-18 22:01, Das Fung wrote:
what you are jealous that your father live normal life and not play with overdruged junkie at GOA ?
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very funny Das Fung 
but me and my family have good balance.
my dad still listen to trance & he is Executive Manager for an Airline in Amsterdam...
I DJ and am assistant director for a film
(maybe I will try and make them use trance for the soundtrack! joke)
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ND
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Posted : May 18, 2004 22:25
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well said words here. a lot of food for brain. must agree with you basilisk. maybe it will encourage some artists to work harder now
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Janux
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Posted : May 18, 2004 22:31
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thnkx for bringing us back to the subject...
yes I agree too... artists and Djs need to be motivated to work harder... they need to know that we need to keep moving forward, changing and improving... otherwise we will all just get stuck in the same place and that will be very bad for the scene.
just imagine all the kinds of equipment that could be produced in the name of live sets if people kept pushing for new methods... there are lots of possibilities... and I feel they will happen, but when we start hearing about not-so-live sets I start to get a bit nervous about people getting lazy.
psytrance music is great and I think many more people would get into it if the performance part of it was made stronger...
and it can be done... look at the levels Juno Reactor has taken it to sometimes...
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Kitnam
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Posted : May 19, 2004 12:56
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On 2004-05-18 20:41, Jehan wrote:
Whats fake about drugged dancing people...?
there are drugs that make you more sensitive to the environment... so as a DJ why not take advantage of this sensitive environment and tweak the environment, and play with it. and have controle over it, and be able to change it when you feel like. I mean thats more fun for the DJ as well...
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I think that drugs dont make me more sensitive to the environment, but they show me a different environment, because my senses got intoxicated.
I talk about the people using extacy, amphetamine etc. If the real environment would be 'cool' enough, there would be no reason to use drugs which manipulate the communication of the brain-synapses in case of delivering 'faked informations' about the reality.
Doesnt the faked live set will loose relevance if 80% of the crowd isnt realy interested in the real environment?
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Janux
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Posted : May 19, 2004 13:49
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you are right in some way...
maybe if the set were less fake, and there was more of an interaction between the DJ and the crowd, then people would be more into it and not take as many drugs.
in other words maybe they take the drugs because the sets are boring, because the sets are just a mix, and there is no interaction... so the DJ is in his/her pre-mixed world, while the crowd is in their drugged world.
if they were both on the same page, the dj would have more fun mixing, and the crowd would have more fun and less drugs...
though I still think that a balanced use of substances can be a great experience too.. and that dj's and artists should work and play with whats going on on the dancfloor.
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