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Eclectic,ok but...why to exagerate???
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Justin Chaos
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Posted : Mar 15, 2005 19:28
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I mean...don´t you think that a chill dj should keep a line,as a professional,he shouldn´t have a characteristic to stablish a difference with any random tune player??? 
Just wondering. 
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randulon
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Posted : Mar 15, 2005 20:11
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what do you mean? please? |
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BrettFromTibet
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Posted : Mar 15, 2005 20:14
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well, yes i do think a chill DJ should play a set that has "a line", flows and "goes somewhere".
Where I live there is some very 'random' DJs - who play "IDM/experimental" downloaded
mp3s from a unorganized cache of cds. They often play while highly intoxicated. How do they get gigs? They are friends with so and so, are willing to help set-up & tear down, and have been around for ages.
Some of these DJs enjoy upsetting the audience with weird/random tracks, playing pornographic & horror samples, and waking up the people who are sleeping with loud and harsh noises. 
Accordingly, downtempo/ambient is seen by many party goers as a kind of 'random side project'..or an "anything goes" kind of space... not up to the musical standards expected from a house or trance DJ set.
I am working in my local community to change this... I want to make downtempo respected, and seen as a main attraction with high standards of professionalism... but I have a lot to learn before I can truly offer this 
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Justin Chaos
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Posted : Mar 15, 2005 21:39
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Well Brett,just by reading your post I could say that you´re in the "right" way(if there is any).
@randulon:Well...it´s not very complicated,is it???
Just read Brett´s post,it means something.
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Ott^
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Posted : Mar 15, 2005 22:35
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Play what you like.
If its good you'll get more gigs.
If its shit - you won't.
Easy. |
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KakoOlalaJwal
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Posted : Mar 15, 2005 23:14
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hyperion
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Posted : Mar 16, 2005 00:44
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Feel free and try to share your musical imagination with the others..U are the navigator!:D
Music may not take us to the Moon or let us live forever, but as we enter trough the doors it is opening before us, we find things far beyond our everyday experiences..
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Justin Chaos
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Posted : Mar 16, 2005 03:36
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I think that I didn´t explain myself properly,for a change  .
I was ASKING to you guys something,not advices,just opinions.
I heard in the last times such a terrible dj sets in some chill-outs,that I started to ask myself this question about eclictisism.
I mean...people just playing tunes randomly without any kind of...responsability to say the least.
Many people told me:"relax mate...it´s just the chill-out"...well,chill -out means a lot to me.
Ott,you´re not really the most apropriated person to say that.
Your set is ,basically,your (very famous,in this scene)music,you´re always going to get gigs,don´t you???
At least untill they get tired and then they only book you for your live act...so you´re not really in problems,don´t worry. (you´re not THAT worry anyway,are you???)
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BrettFromTibet
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Posted : Mar 16, 2005 04:18
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Justin Chaos:
Last month at a party , I was trippin' on acid, chillin' with a beauuutiful girl who was having her first psy-party experience. The conversation was great, everything seemed perfect, it was heaven on earth... UNTIL... a noise/experimental DJ (who incorrectly describes their set 'deep ambient') came on...
The DJ started to play a very random selection of experimental noises / dark IDM / and crude spoken comedy MP3s ... with extra high volume and treble..
many people looked decidely uncomfortable - some people slept or didn't care, except for one (drunk) guy with a bottle of wine, who said how amazing it was.
After 5 mins this other gentleman just freaked, and called out to the room: "what the hell is this music suposed to be? it's terrible, insensitive.. I'm leaving and going to the dance floor.. anyone coming with me?!!!!".
i totally agreed. i tried to "chill-out" enjoy it- but i was high on acid and my hearing was too delicate. I felt like i was being whipped by rusty barbed wires of sound.
But I didn't want to leave the girl. By then she had moved away from me - and had this skeptical/confused look on her face, instead of the soft smile she had all night.
I had to leave the room, and complained to the person who had booked the ambient area... he shrugged & said "well, it's a little crunchy..a totally different style, but maybe it's good for everyone to hear something different...?". i disagreed.
After a while of 'fresh air', i went back to meet the girl... she was still in the chillout... The first thing she said was that she was feeling ill, and needed to go home right away: Thanks, take care, goodnight!
for me, the party was over, and my excellent buzz was killed. THE END.
p.s. next time i talked to her, she
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PKS
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Posted : Mar 16, 2005 09:13
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Hmmm, Brett. Maybe you should leave the acid and try to be a little bit more openminded for various styles of music? If you couldnt't handle it, it might be a sign that you should try the music without acid the next time... But it seems like most "psy people" only handels easy digestible etno chill these days... Maybe you should blame the drug instead of the dj? By the way, I think experimental IDM is great:)
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shahar
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Posted : Mar 16, 2005 10:56
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Play what you like and feel (and communicate with)your listeners, that's all, that's the line you should follow.
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nobody4
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Posted : Mar 16, 2005 13:15
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I'm sorry PKS, but the idea of a 'chill out' area is exactly what the word chillout means - a haven for people where they can relax and rest.
True, open mindedness is a good thing, but people who retreat to the chillout area do so because they want to rest, not to be challenged. The challenging can be done in the main party area. Nobody said anything about IDM music not being good - only that it did not fit to that particular setup (I tend to agree on that).
According to Brett, he wasn't the only one who suffered from the music, and personally I also encoutered 2 DJs who came to play Aphex Twins stuff (not Ambient Works, but the more bizzare material) in a club/caf'e I was at - they totaly ruined the atmosphere there.
bottom line:
Not all 'non 4x4 dance music' is chillout music. just because it doesn't have 4x4 beat and is less than 140 BPM doesn't make it a relaxing music.
A chillout performer should remember his/her target, which (IMO) is to complete the relaxing/chilling/restful atmosphere in chillout areas. A chillout DJ is not a main stage DJ (not to say we are less worthy!) - his music is there to compliment a certain mood and not necessarily to capture the attention of the chillers (although if you're good you can be that, of course).
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Justin Chaos
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Posted : Mar 16, 2005 14:27
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I tend to agree with Helen and Brett here.
If the music in the chill-out starts to sound agressive,if the people starts to feel uncomfortable...well,that´s pretty fucked up if you ask me.
That was exactly the point of this thread open minded,fine...
So should we start playing rusty break beat there,because we´re open minded,eclectic???
I heard as well many people playing like,for example,this:A mantra,then some Thievery Corporation tune,then Samba,some Shpongle,some birds and so on...everything terribly mixed and mostly all in MP3.
I totally agree with Shahar as well but...the problem is when the DJ is not very communicative and he/she just play what he/she wants with absolutely no idea about HOW to do it.
Anyway,just being grumpy .
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PKS
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Posted : Mar 16, 2005 16:48
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True, open mindedness is a good thing, but people who retreat to the chillout area do so because they want to rest, not to be challenged.
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If I couldnt have challenged the chill out crowd, I would never have been a dj... How boring isn't it to just play pure easy digestible cafe music? I would not get chilled by that, just frustrated. Then I could play some commercial disco shit instead. That's what most people want anyway... Britney Spears with no challenge:)
And those who are too fucked up on acid to handle some good music, should probably go some other place. Did you think about the fact that someone else in the place actually thought the Aphex Twin tracks were great?
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CTRCD02 RELAXED JOURNEYS
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CTRCD06 IAN ION - Gringo Locomotion
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NOVA (Ultimae Records)
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On 2005-03-16 13:15, helen wrote:
'chill out' area is exactly what the word chillout means - a haven for people where they can relax and rest.
True, open mindedness is a good thing, but people who retreat to the chillout area do so because they want to rest, not to be challenged. The challenging can be done in the main party area.....
......personally I also encoutered 2 DJs who came to play Aphex Twins stuff (not Ambient Works, but the more bizzare material) in a club/caf'e I was at - they totaly ruined the atmosphere there.
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are you talking about a Trance/rave party atmosphere/environment/attitude?
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