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Eclectic,ok but...why to exagerate???

maka


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Posted : Mar 16, 2005 19:09
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On 2005-03-16 13:15, helen wrote:
True, open mindedness is a good thing, but people who retreat to the chillout area do so because they want to rest, not to be challenged.

A chillout performer should remember his/her target, which (IMO) is to complete the relaxing/chilling/restful atmosphere in chillout areas.




Say what???

Maybe you are talking about a lounge style cafe del mar setting, but we are talking about psy-chill here.

If it is not challenging, interesting what is it then?

Were would Sphongle be, were would Entheogenic be?
If people want to sleep they should go home or accept what's going on around them.

furthur
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Posted : Mar 16, 2005 21:10
Nothing wrong with a bit of experimentation, as long as the flow doesnot get disturbed. I think that was what was meant here originally.
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MARGHERITA
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Posted : Mar 16, 2005 22:20
hello, one question :

what is IDM ? noise ?

Aphex twin is good music,

one time in a squat party, i mix only Dark/breaks/dub like SCORN, ERALDO BERNOCCHI, PAINKILLER, MICK HARRIS & in 20 minutes the the room is empty

but in a chill out area ......not the right place for this music.

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nobody4
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Posted : Mar 17, 2005 10:08
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Maybe you are talking about a lounge style cafe del mar setting, but we are talking about psy-chill here



Wherever the chillout zone is (style cafe or psy-trance chill area), it is a place to relax. I'm not saying that everything has to be Enya/Cafe del mar style (for example), but rather that the DJ has to be sensitive to the crowd and understand his/her fuctionality, which is to help people relax.

Usually, the main stage is the place where people actualy go to experience the 'main' music theme of the event (hence "main stage"), and the chill out area is a place where people who want to relax, chat, unwind their thoughts or ease down a trip. Music played in chill areas can range from total static ambience (such as Aes Dana, HUVA network etc') to groovier stuff like Thievery corp'/Sven van hees/Plastyc Buddha style (these are just examples, of course) - as long as its pleasant enough for the listeners. Sometimes chillers are really tuned for more sophisticated/complex type of music (such as OTT, Shpongle or Agalactia for instance) - I'm not saying that a chill DJ should play this or that music only, just to remember his/her functionality and be sensitive enough (and egoless enough, which is harder) for the chiller's needs.

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Outolintu
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Posted : Mar 17, 2005 16:23

solution:

two chillout areas

1. easy chillout

2. experimental chillout

i'm happy if there IS a chillout at a party.
maybe the flyer should inform the party goers
better about what kind of music the djs
are playing? i think the best thing would be
having many djs playing a maximum of 2 hours
each with a different style and point of view
about chillout. the first one could start for example with "world" music (classical indian, reggae and dub etc) ,in between you
could listen to some jazzy downtempo and psy
chill and the night (early morning) would direct you to pure ambient (spaceous, harmonius, relaxing, beatless). with this kind of chillout i would be satisfied for sure .
ofcourse it would be very important to get a
good flow without rude atmosphere changes...

p.s. i have nothing against aphex twin or the likes in a chillout set if they are well
fitted with the tracks before and after. but a whole night with only idm or noise wouldn't be a CHILLOUT anymore...



maka


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Posted : Mar 17, 2005 16:31

I agree that the energy has to flow and extreme changes aren't that good.
Though I feel very active in a way in the chill-out area, more so then in the others, so I guess it's a mind thingy.

nobody4
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Posted : Mar 18, 2005 15:38
How about Amir Benayon/Zehava ben/Shlomo Artzi music then? or pure oriental music (like Farid el Atrash)? or soft rock balads like Scorpions? or maybe heavy rock/death metal?
what makes chillout music? why is IDM/experimental music allowd in chill rooms and not mozart? or Vagner?

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John
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Posted : Mar 18, 2005 15:50
Excuse my ignorance- but what is IDM?

Personally I think you should be able to play whatever you think fits the occasion - which seems to be pretty much what happens anyway. Having said that - artistic freedom is one thing and just being confrontational for the sake of it is another. Afterall chillout areas are labled and advertised as such. If artcore headf*ck music is your thing - fair enough - but a chillout area isnt really the place to be playing it. Its not really rocket sceince - the chillout is where you.. chillout!

But the Scorpions - genius! Watch out for my soft rock 1/2 hour next time I play...

PKS
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Posted : Mar 18, 2005 16:33
IDM=Intelligent Dance Music

Not always "dance" music... Check out artists on Warp etc, and you will find a lot of IDM... Aphex Twin, Autechre etc, are good examples of IDM...
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maka


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Posted : Mar 18, 2005 17:11
Quote:

On 2005-03-18 15:38, helen wrote:
why is IDM/experimental music allowd in chill rooms and not mozart? or Vagner?

Think about it in these comparisons...




Wagner wouldn't fit the bill, but since you mentionned it I wouldn't mind a bit of Bach in between sets, Bach rules!


John
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Posted : Mar 18, 2005 17:25
Quote:

On 2005-03-18 16:33, PKS wrote:
IDM=Intelligent Dance Music

Not always "dance" music... Check out artists on Warp etc, and you will find a lot of IDM... Aphex Twin, Autechre etc, are good examples of IDM...




ahhhhh - I live in Sheffield- the home of WARP - so very familiar with these artists - just never heard it called IDM before!

BrettFromTibet
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Posted : Mar 18, 2005 18:11
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. If artcore headf*ck music is your thing - fair enough - but a chillout area isnt really the place to be playing it.



John, That's the perfect name for the offerings of
a certian experimental subgenre in our local ambient scene.."artcore headf*ck"! THANK YOU! i was wondering if it should be called "illbient" or "experimental chaos", or what.. but now i have a name.

The artcore headf*ckers always complain that's it shouldn't be called a "chill" room, and that chill music is "boring". Not to mention that if they were to played a set (at a trance party downtempo room) that all trancers enjoyed - they would be selling out and not doing their job.

I think it's just a apology for the worst music ever played.. like this one local "act" that plays a whole live set of static noises that sound like the speakers are blowing, electric saws are cutting through metal, and lawnmowers are overheating... over very odd/sporadic beats and NO melody. And just because they take lots of drugs, they feel it somehow classifies as "psychedelic ambient".

To them i say fine, use your artistic expression - diversity makes the world go round... but I don't want to share a venue or lineup with you...! IT's just a whole different genre for a different crowd, and it doesn't mix well... (no pun intended).
blupeter


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Posted : Mar 18, 2005 20:53
There are a few artists ( called as "I.D.M" music maker) who create very chilled stuff.. Some names like Loscil,Shuttle358,Arovane are some of them///
sherlockalien
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Posted : Mar 18, 2005 21:01
would mylo's music be considered idm?

there is some electro in it, some house in it, some chill in it, but definitely some dance in it too, and quite intelligent I would say
journey


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Posted : Mar 18, 2005 22:16

Chill is a very large concept, lots of different styles fit in there, as long as they all go well together.


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