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do we really need such agressive music???
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goa-ganges
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Posted : May 7, 2004 16:36
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guys, we must face that indeed, psy has got harder and in such a speed that you barely can enjoy the 'tranciness' it may - or not - has.
Honestly I see that if you have something onboard it's only natural to enjoy a light-speed track being blasted in the sound system. But if you are clean - which seems to be 'the' sin these days - it's almost impossible to dance, and getting to the point, to get tranced al all.
I am not saying you have to be out there in inner space to have a good time in the dance floor, but it's hard for those who expect say an Astral Projection being played full volume on - no way for those nowadays, me included.
So perhaps it's not only the sound that has gotten aggressive, it's some clean crowd that has been feeling cornered - me here again.
But for those complaining about the full-on plague as someone wrote in Saikosounds, a very good exit - and one that mix with old skool very well - is the tech-trance scene.
It's very good indeed, may not have the melody - but it surely it's only sub-genre that makes you smile.
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Acidhive
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Posted : May 7, 2004 17:01
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But honestly. Why do you need drugs to appreciate the music, e.g. get in a tranced state of mind??
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goa-ganges
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Posted : May 7, 2004 17:44
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WE don't need them , that's something this music was about for starts, it was supposed to induce you to a trance state of mind without drugs on board. But you got to be blind to not accept that psy has gotten faster due to drugs. Why do you think it's so fast?
My amateur-psychologist oppinion it's because people want more and more, and soon we will see a gabber-psy trance scene.
Ow, gabber was, or is, dutch-techno - which bpmed at 200. Incredible? Listen to "poing" by.... I can't remember, lol. Some crazy dutch man in 1996, and it was hit in techno-minded Japan back then. God....and I danced to that... shameful but I HAD the experience.
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droid
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Posted : May 7, 2004 19:37
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At last i want say, NO CONFUSION
is not the same FULL POWER MUSIC than AGRESSIVE....
i think anybody can feel the diference beetwen this.
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BrettFromTibet
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Posted : May 7, 2004 23:33
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I think it has to do with people getting burned out on drugs...and the dark shadow of the scene attracting darker and shadier characters...Yes, there have always been shadow types in India but it has gotten much worse recently.
I think the prolifieration of the Horror sound at night in Goa (India) parties has to do with the criminal mafia and dealer types..many Russian gangsters...who try to dominate the partys and jack up the drug price. GOA WAS A MUCH BETTER place before these people and the NASTY sound muscled in on the scene - and sneered the smiling freaks away....
i was recently at a party where Parvati/Acidance/DeJaVu agressive sounds were being played all ngiht, non-stop - and watched people snarling, stomping, gritting their teeth through it all. Many of the non-trancers there weren't dancing, a few were frightened and freaked out....a guy was biting his nails and saying "my father used to beat me..and he always said i was a piece of shit!" - music triggering traumatic memories. I patted him on the back and told him he was a great guy ...but as the music snarled..he cried and told me more horrors and trumas....
i really blew my mind...how awful some sounds are..and how the vibe was NOT FUN...and i held my head thgther..and tried to get the guy to cheer up and dance...but as the music growled on....it was hard to cheer up[....
death trance freaks claim the music is "very psychedelic"..but i think it's bullshit. I think it's about as psychedelic as The Texas Chainsaw Massacre movie....!
since when did a PARTY no longer be about having a GOOD time? it's crazy...and not in a good way.... |
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BrettFromTibet
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Posted : May 7, 2004 23:51
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Also...I am not just a "fluffy morning lover". I love night music that is DEEP but not EVIL. EXHILIRATING without being Agressive. and ENJOYABLE without having to be tripped out of your mind and smoke 50 chillums a day to make it bearble. i love to dance all night..and late into the afternoon...till my leg muscles exaust and get cramps....
but something agressive is shoving it's way on to the scene, that seems to have a whole different set of values and vibes that what the whole feeling and sensation and spiritual value of the...trance dance experience is about..as I see it./// Smiles and Hugs are OK in my book, and will never go out of fashion...
Evil and agression may be muscling in....And I'm not going to go quietly along with it...
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NeutroN
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Posted : May 8, 2004 01:25
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first of all droid, great topic dude. 
Man I don't know about you guys but I'm fed up with the 'metal head' trance tracks (thats what I believe you are talking when you use the word aggressive and not full-on correct me if wrong)
Alright I got the point that many of the artists before where into rock, metal or whatever. instead of using your old knowledge and applying it to trance, why not innovate, revolutionate, evolve? dont use old stuff with todays technology, use technology to make new stuff.
Their is an artist (dont want to mention any names) which IMO mixed metal and trance together on all of his album tracks and IMO it sucked. not a good mixture dude.
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Acidhive
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Posted : May 8, 2004 03:28
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Dude, you're talking S.U.N. Project here I presume? They rock!! And you'd know that if you had any kind of taste... Anyway, dark or not, the new style is kickass to some (including me) so I'd love to see people stop bitching about it all the time... |
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ZeRo
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Posted : May 8, 2004 03:33
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keep it psychedelic, INTENSE, beautiful, thought provoking, complex, simple
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NeutroN
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Posted : May 8, 2004 11:39
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On 2004-05-08 03:28, Acidhive wrote:
Dude, you're talking S.U.N. Project here I presume? They rock!! And you'd know that if you had any kind of taste... Anyway, dark or not, the new style is kickass to some (including me) so I'd love to see people stop bitching about it all the time...
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It could be sun project but its not 
but who am i to say anything? as you said I don't have any taste lol
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Kaz
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Posted : May 8, 2004 12:35
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Why NOT have agressive music?
Psytrance is supposed to have no limits on the path of the music, and I believe that if it's interesting, for all I care, sampling people chopping wood, breaking bottles, screaming "DEATH TO HUMANS" and all that totally without connection to the beat, it can still kick ass.
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Justin Chaos
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Posted : May 8, 2004 16:16
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On 2004-05-08 12:35, kaz wrote:
Why NOT have agressive music?
, it can still kick ass.
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That`s exactly the point I don`t want to kick anything besides the ground.
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Colin OOOD
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Posted : May 9, 2004 01:59
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shahar
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Posted : May 9, 2004 10:07
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On 2004-05-07 10:01, Mistress of Evil wrote:
i guess i just meant that what is the point of constantly complaining about stuff you don't like instead of focusing on the things you do like? seems like a waste of time to always look at the negative rather than the positive. there are a lot of kinds of music out there-- listen to what you like, ignore what you don't... if aggressive music isn't your cup of tea, listen to a different cd!
doesn't that make sense?
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Whose complaining, we're talking, discussing, exchanging thoughts and ideas about something we like.
This is why this forum is here, not just for promotion for labels...
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shahar
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Posted : May 9, 2004 10:16
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It has to do with the people.
Those listening and those making the music.
They give the energies, this is where the music goes.
The people that are trancers now are different than those who were 7-10 years ago. They're younger, in a different stage of their life, living in a different world. It's only logical.
When I was 15 I was listening to very aggressive music most of the time (if not all of it)- I had a lot of aggression in me, and it wanted out.
That's OK, that's natural.
I don't like most of the aggressive trance these days, I don't connect to it at all.
I definitely don't like massacares and screams in my party (as it opposes what a party is for me), and I wouldn't go to a party where this music is played.
But each to his own. The world is like that. There's enough diversity to choose from.
And if you don't connect to parties these days and the music played in them- make a different kind of party!
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