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do we really need such agressive music???

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Posted : May 7, 2004 05:25
ok thought about it more:

1. as monster mentioned, the type of drugs that are being consumed certainly shape the music and the crowd that comes.

2. the social or political situation at the place of the parties or more then that, the country in which the artists are living. places like israel where life is stressful for various reasons has a direct effect on the music the artists produce and the audience's response and needs. the need to release stress is directly related to this situation, the type of drugs as well.           "On the other hand, you have different fingers."
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OpTiKoOl
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Posted : May 7, 2004 05:42
i bet on the drugs....

but i too belive that's another kind of style..and have to be about experiment and evolution...doesn't we see alot of post's telling to ppl that want to start produce..to experiment ? so those 'dark metal' guys..started to experiment... and i think it worked out..cos they have audience.

for the record.. i'm a full morning psytrance freak..melodic but full...in fact i like to call it 'agressive' funny hun..

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Mistress of Evil
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Posted : May 7, 2004 05:52
if all the people constantly fueling this discussion of light v. dark put half their energy into creating the kind of music they did like instead of complaining about that which they don't, these discussion wouldn't have to take place...
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Posted : May 7, 2004 06:01
Meghan, i dont produce music... i cant discuss then?

i dont get your point at all...
i know where you stand in this predicament, and its ok by me... that kind of music isnt my cup of tea.. i'll leave it as that, and complain all i want           "On the other hand, you have different fingers."
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Mistress of Evil
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Posted : May 7, 2004 10:01
i guess i just meant that what is the point of constantly complaining about stuff you don't like instead of focusing on the things you do like? seems like a waste of time to always look at the negative rather than the positive. there are a lot of kinds of music out there-- listen to what you like, ignore what you don't... if aggressive music isn't your cup of tea, listen to a different cd!
doesn't that make sense?
spliffnik
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Posted : May 7, 2004 11:39
very funny title for this post...'do WE need such aggressive music?'

Who is WE? You think everyone here is a melodic fluffy morning lover? Maybe the question should be ' Do I need this aggressive music?' , in which case no it doesn't seem like you need it. But please, dont include everyone here in what 'WE' need and don't need.

We agree to disagree. What more is there to talk about?

For my two bits, I think each style has its own place and timing. Given the right vibe and setting, each style can blossom to show its power to the dancers. The dark music has its place, as well as the various other genres. So there is no such thing as do we NEED a style of music. How could we possibly answer such a question? Even if you decided somehow that we 'don't need' this music, its out there already so what is the point. If you want to complain go ahead, just make sure to speak for yourself and not for everyone here.

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spliffnik
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Posted : May 7, 2004 11:46
A person is upset about something
so he brings it up in the forum - simple as that.           Crackling universes dive into their own neverending crackle...
AgalactiA
droid
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Posted : May 7, 2004 14:31
well, of course, allways is a matter of taste, and myself play sometimes strong tracks, but take a look in the parties with agressive music, and habitually, this go together with bad people, bad drugs, and bad vibe....
not allways of course.....and depends the country.
One exemple can be mexico, where the people try to play the most strong music all the time, and in my opinion, is bad, i prefer allways a evolution in the energy of the music together with the energy of the people, maybe start with chill or slow music like a welcome, and step by step do a progression and find this balance......and finally have a great TRANCE party.


Mike A
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Posted : May 7, 2004 14:39
What do you mean by aggressive?
The aggressive type of fullon or the "dark" music?
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Posted : May 7, 2004 14:55
Mike, if droid gave Mexico as an example, then he doesnt neccesarily mean "dark" music... but more fullon blastin midnight sun type music from the start of the party to its end. i was there... it was a great experience, but i believe the structure is faulty there as well.
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Posted : May 7, 2004 14:58
Mike
is there any need in meaning the agressiveness of music ?

Skazi is a syndicate of money and good sound track for selling cheap amfetamine drugz... So this agressive music is really neaded for some people, and they are ready to pay x000 for his live sets.
Justin Chaos
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Posted : May 7, 2004 15:04
http://forum.isratrance.com/viewtopic.php/topic/33765/forum/13
Anybody was asking something about this???           My fake plants died, because I did not pretend to water them.
psykojipi


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Posted : May 7, 2004 15:26
Examples of agressive music:3dV style,chemical crew style,discovalley style,mechanick sound,Timecode,Parvati,Afrogalactic.
To mention a few....
What`s wrong with all this people some psychological trauma or something????

Acidhive
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Posted : May 7, 2004 16:14
All these discussions about the harder psytrance nowadays... I'm getting sick of them already! Look: Most music styles always have two sides and if you look at cd's coming out, there's a good balance between the two in the psyscene nowadays. And since I don't go to the parties, I couldn't give a rats ass about the DJ's playing more of the darker side... But even if they did (which I doubt severely, considering the amount of fluffy melodic full-on also coming out) what's the big deal? So all you drugusers can't trip on darker sounds? Hehehe, maybe this is the time to stop your stupid drug abuse and start taking life seriously... That's what I say...

If you can't take all sides of this music then you probably don't deserve to be in this scene at all... think about that. The tunes that artists on the labels like Parvati, Discovalley etc. provide are still psytrance, but a bit darker... so what? It's still the scene you all claim to love so dearly, so live with it. And there are probably a lot of people out there that like this style, otherwise there wouldn't be so much labels/artists churning out the stuff...

Oh yeah, and Psykojipi, you think 3D Vision is dark?? Sorry, but I fail to see your reasoning in that one. But maybe you shouldn't answer that one since it'll only be creating a discussion about what is dark and what not.

Anyway, my final say in this one: Since I've been in this scene since 1997 I've always wondered about the consumers in it. On the one hand you have the people who are in this for the music and like almost all styles and welcome new ones (like me) and on the other you have the drug using, party going other side who doesn't want any change whatsoever. If these people had a say in the scene, we would all still be listening to the Cosmosis and Mindfield ripoffs of yesteryear. I for one am glad the scene is so diverse and constantly shifting all the time, because over the years not only has the production quality become better and clearer, we now have more diverse styles per artist and that's just great! Progressive, Minimal, Psytechno, Full On, Morning/Melodic... you name it, we've got it! So don't moan about the dark side, since it's just a new style!! And I welcome it... So far, there have been really good tracks in it... And that's what matters.. the music... and not the opinions of the partyscene, who don't want any change...
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